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Post by leftwinglock on Oct 31, 2016 8:54:51 GMT -4
The owner doesn't dictate that they make bad drafting decisions and bad trades ... I would think that he dictates the opposite. Right, I doubt he tells the GM to trade out of the 1st round back to rounds 3 and 5. Young tanking in 01 and 02 cost him his job. just like when tom coolen started bill ruggerio instead of corey Crawford against the owners wishes cost him his job. look up the article on the T&T somehow. they even had a direct quote from RKI stating that he wanted a certain player to start tonight and the coach went against me. we are drafting a lot of American kids and rolling the dice because connor garland's father is our new England scout and RKI LOVES HIM. he believes that if we draft him, Garry Garland can get them to report eventually. Our system is flawed and i believe it's due in large part to the guy behind the bench. We have hired an NHL scout as well to find mid to late round talent and under valued players across the league because until the owner realises we need to tank and draft properly and let roger and Darren to their jobs moncton will always have to rebuild a team this way. as much as people dump on trading a 1st round pick for 3 later round picks it makes sense to me because our cupboards are bare and we don't have the numbers to ice a remotely serviceable team so you attempt to turn 1 pick into 3 serviceable players. Again not the way to do it BUT its an understandable method to build. As far as you guys saying Flynn had the owners ear he did and he didn't. Flynn did convince the owner to tank in 07 but he couldn't convince him of another rebuild witch lead to the mess of the 2013 team. he wanted to implode the team because they couldn't get along, had deals lined up for racine, veilleux and jaskin but the owner told him to go all in so he could compete with Halifax so we sold the entire farm and both tractors for a 5 game playoff run. That's on the owner not on the guys calling the shots ( or at least who should be) |
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 31, 2016 9:07:32 GMT -4
Right, I doubt he tells the GM to trade out of the 1st round back to rounds 3 and 5. Young tanking in 01 and 02 cost him his job. just like when tom coolen started bill ruggerio instead of corey Crawford against the owners wishes cost him his job. look up the article on the T&T somehow. they even had a direct quote from RKI stating that he wanted a certain player to start tonight and the coach went against me. we are drafting a lot of American kids and rolling the dice because connor garland's father is our new England scout and RKI LOVES HIM. he believes that if we draft him, Garry Garland can get them to report eventually. Our system is flawed and i believe it's due in large part to the guy behind the bench. We have hired an NHL scout as well to find mid to late round talent and under valued players across the league because until the owner realises we need to tank and draft properly and let roger and Darren to their jobs moncton will always have to rebuild a team this way. as much as people dump on trading a 1st round pick for 3 later round picks it makes sense to me because our cupboards are bare and we don't have the numbers to ice a remotely serviceable team so you attempt to turn 1 pick into 3 serviceable players. Again not the way to do it BUT its an understandable method to build. As far as you guys saying Flynn had the owners ear he did and he didn't. Flynn did convince the owner to tank in 07 but he couldn't convince him of another rebuild witch lead to the mess of the 2013 team. he wanted to implode the team because they couldn't get along, had deals lined up for racine, veilleux and jaskin but the owner told him to go all in so he could compete with Halifax so we sold the entire farm and both tractors for a 5 game playoff run. That's on the owner not on the guys calling the shots ( or at least who should be) Tom Coolen, Darryl Young and Danny Flynn have very little to do with Roger Shannon. Not sure what you see as a problem with Rumble but he has been the best Coach we have had here since Torchetti. He can only work with what he is given. The problem is Shannon not being able to recognize talent and not understanding the value of a player and a draft pick. How much have we wasted on goaltenders alone ? I agree on why he traded our 1sts ... but the reason he got to that point was because he pissed away our draft picks on bad moves ... and got very little in return for trades he has made. Its like he gets to the draft and starts to take stock of what he has to work with ... and then panics. |
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Post by leftwinglock on Oct 31, 2016 9:18:59 GMT -4
Young tanking in 01 and 02 cost him his job. just like when tom coolen started bill ruggerio instead of corey Crawford against the owners wishes cost him his job. look up the article on the T&T somehow. they even had a direct quote from RKI stating that he wanted a certain player to start tonight and the coach went against me. we are drafting a lot of American kids and rolling the dice because connor garland's father is our new England scout and RKI LOVES HIM. he believes that if we draft him, Garry Garland can get them to report eventually. Our system is flawed and i believe it's due in large part to the guy behind the bench. We have hired an NHL scout as well to find mid to late round talent and under valued players across the league because until the owner realises we need to tank and draft properly and let roger and Darren to their jobs moncton will always have to rebuild a team this way. as much as people dump on trading a 1st round pick for 3 later round picks it makes sense to me because our cupboards are bare and we don't have the numbers to ice a remotely serviceable team so you attempt to turn 1 pick into 3 serviceable players. Again not the way to do it BUT its an understandable method to build. As far as you guys saying Flynn had the owners ear he did and he didn't. Flynn did convince the owner to tank in 07 but he couldn't convince him of another rebuild witch lead to the mess of the 2013 team. he wanted to implode the team because they couldn't get along, had deals lined up for racine, veilleux and jaskin but the owner told him to go all in so he could compete with Halifax so we sold the entire farm and both tractors for a 5 game playoff run. That's on the owner not on the guys calling the shots ( or at least who should be) Tom Coolen, Darryl Young and Danny Flynn have very little to do with Roger Shannon. Not sure what you see as a problem with Rumble but he has been the best Coach we have had here since Torchetti. He can only work with what he is given. The problem is Shannon not being able to recognize talent and not understanding the value of a player and a draft pick. How much have we wasted on goaltenders alone ? I agree on why he traded our 1sts ... but the reason he got to that point was because he pissed away our draft picks on bad moves ... and got very little in return for trades he has made. Its like he gets to the draft and starts to take stock of what he has to work with ... and then panics. I don't mean rumble..... the guy behind rumble.... your right he's by far the best coach we've had here and he has gotten this roaster to over achieve My point is all those guys who GM'd or Coached had to over come the same obstacle in order to try and accomplish their goal and its the guy behind the bench. As far as pissing away picks he has and he hasn't. Some trades he made was because the kids wanted out. As a junior team it's bad enough if you break the promises you had had to give in order to land them here, even worse if you ruin their young careers because they can't play anywhere else. other teams can read us like a book. Knowing the owner pulls the strings it makes it easier for us to be exploited on that front. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 31, 2016 9:54:56 GMT -4
In terms of draft picks...
2017
1st 2nd(BLB) 4th(BC) 4th(Sha) 5th 5th(Gat) 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th(Sha) 11th 12th(Dru) 13th 14th
Ideally they can add 2 or 3 more top 3 round picks. If they can move 3-4 top veterans they should be able to do that plus add 2-3 more blue chip young players(1999 or 2000).
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 31, 2016 10:00:09 GMT -4
Right, I doubt he tells the GM to trade out of the 1st round back to rounds 3 and 5. Young tanking in 01 and 02 cost him his job. just like when tom coolen started bill ruggerio instead of corey Crawford against the owners wishes cost him his job. look up the article on the T&T somehow. they even had a direct quote from RKI stating that he wanted a certain player to start tonight and the coach went against me. we are drafting a lot of American kids and rolling the dice because connor garland's father is our new England scout and RKI LOVES HIM. he believes that if we draft him, Garry Garland can get them to report eventually. Our system is flawed and i believe it's due in large part to the guy behind the bench. We have hired an NHL scout as well to find mid to late round talent and under valued players across the league because until the owner realises we need to tank and draft properly and let roger and Darren to their jobs moncton will always have to rebuild a team this way. as much as people dump on trading a 1st round pick for 3 later round picks it makes sense to me because our cupboards are bare and we don't have the numbers to ice a remotely serviceable team so you attempt to turn 1 pick into 3 serviceable players. Again not the way to do it BUT its an understandable method to build. As far as you guys saying Flynn had the owners ear he did and he didn't. Flynn did convince the owner to tank in 07 but he couldn't convince him of another rebuild witch lead to the mess of the 2013 team. he wanted to implode the team because they couldn't get along, had deals lined up for racine, veilleux and jaskin but the owner told him to go all in so he could compete with Halifax so we sold the entire farm and both tractors for a 5 game playoff run. That's on the owner not on the guys calling the shots ( or at least who should be) The big problem with trading a 1st rounder for 3 mid round picks is...A-that 1st rounder is better than anybody you can get in round 3-4-5 B-those mid round picks can be replaced with free agents, the one thing they seem to do well. As I said in a prior post, the Cats have moved veterans in the past, including star players. I agree with 2013 and who's fingers were all over that one...however, this year's team has nowhere near the talent of that season or the overachieving of the last two years. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 15:41:25 GMT -4
This could be a positive sign for the future. Ethan DeStefani's name is no longer on the Waterloo Blackhawks roster.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 31, 2016 15:43:01 GMT -4
This could be a positive sign for the future. Ethan DeStefani's name is no longer on the Waterloo Blackhawks roster. RKI spending 100k trying to spin something positive and sell some tickets? |
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Post by bigdumrockett on Oct 31, 2016 17:03:58 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 18:18:48 GMT -4
Damn.... that blows for him. Thanks for the info. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Oct 31, 2016 20:35:11 GMT -4
Young tanking in 01 and 02 cost him his job. just like when tom coolen started bill ruggerio instead of corey Crawford against the owners wishes cost him his job. look up the article on the T&T somehow. they even had a direct quote from RKI stating that he wanted a certain player to start tonight and the coach went against me. we are drafting a lot of American kids and rolling the dice because connor garland's father is our new England scout and RKI LOVES HIM. he believes that if we draft him, Garry Garland can get them to report eventually. Our system is flawed and i believe it's due in large part to the guy behind the bench. We have hired an NHL scout as well to find mid to late round talent and under valued players across the league because until the owner realises we need to tank and draft properly and let roger and Darren to their jobs moncton will always have to rebuild a team this way. as much as people dump on trading a 1st round pick for 3 later round picks it makes sense to me because our cupboards are bare and we don't have the numbers to ice a remotely serviceable team so you attempt to turn 1 pick into 3 serviceable players. Again not the way to do it BUT its an understandable method to build. As far as you guys saying Flynn had the owners ear he did and he didn't. Flynn did convince the owner to tank in 07 but he couldn't convince him of another rebuild witch lead to the mess of the 2013 team. he wanted to implode the team because they couldn't get along, had deals lined up for racine, veilleux and jaskin but the owner told him to go all in so he could compete with Halifax so we sold the entire farm and both tractors for a 5 game playoff run. That's on the owner not on the guys calling the shots ( or at least who should be) The big problem with trading a 1st rounder for 3 mid round picks is...A-that 1st rounder is better than anybody you can get in round 3-4-5 B-those mid round picks can be replaced with free agents, the one thing they seem to do well. As I said in a prior post, the Cats have moved veterans in the past, including star players. I agree with 2013 and who's fingers were all over that one...however, this year's team has nowhere near the talent of that season or the overachieving of the last two years. I'm not sure who owns our 2'nd, but one possible trade I would try to make early is to trade our 2017 first over all pick for our own 2'nd plus the current owner's 2'nd. That would give us a 19th over all and three picks in the top three rounds. I wouldn't be interested in anything else like our 2nd and their 3rd for example. Only the trade I mentioned. I would pose the trade as soon as possible with a long time to accept. That 1'st is going to be worth a lot. Maybe even someone else's 1st and 2nd depending on their holes to fill. |
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Post by catnut on Oct 31, 2016 22:33:56 GMT -4
The big problem with trading a 1st rounder for 3 mid round picks is...A-that 1st rounder is better than anybody you can get in round 3-4-5 B-those mid round picks can be replaced with free agents, the one thing they seem to do well. As I said in a prior post, the Cats have moved veterans in the past, including star players. I agree with 2013 and who's fingers were all over that one...however, this year's team has nowhere near the talent of that season or the overachieving of the last two years. I'm not sure who owns our 2'nd, but one possible trade I would try to make early is to trade our 2017 first over all pick for our own 2'nd plus the current owner's 2'nd. That would give us a 19th over all and three picks in the top three rounds. I wouldn't be interested in anything else like our 2nd and their 3rd for example. Only the trade I mentioned. I would pose the trade as soon as possible with a long time to accept. That 1'st is going to be worth a lot. Maybe even someone else's 1st and 2nd depending on their holes to fill. Any GM would be crazy to deal a high first in 2017. There are like 5-6 franchise players in this draft. It would have to be some major offer. |
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Post by joehockey on Oct 31, 2016 22:40:59 GMT -4
I'm not sure who owns our 2'nd, but one possible trade I would try to make early is to trade our 2017 first over all pick for our own 2'nd plus the current owner's 2'nd. That would give us a 19th over all and three picks in the top three rounds. I wouldn't be interested in anything else like our 2nd and their 3rd for example. Only the trade I mentioned. I would pose the trade as soon as possible with a long time to accept. That 1'st is going to be worth a lot. Maybe even someone else's 1st and 2nd depending on their holes to fill. Any GM would be crazy to deal a high first in 2017. There are like 5-6 franchise players in this draft. It would have to be some major offer. Weren't there a few kids in Quebec who considered applying to the CHL to get allowed in early? Obviously none did apply but there are supposed to be a few really good players so I hope Moncton keeps the pick too |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Oct 31, 2016 23:39:14 GMT -4
Any GM would be crazy to deal a high first in 2017. There are like 5-6 franchise players in this draft. It would have to be some major offer. Weren't there a few kids in Quebec who considered applying to the CHL to get allowed in early? Obviously none did apply but there are supposed to be a few really good players so I hope Moncton keeps the pick too Its great to have the first over all and get a franchise type player, but that's the problem, he's only one player. We will be basement for a couple of years at least and I would start this year with 3 or 4 second rounds that we hope either end up playing like first rounds or are team captain character types to break the way for 2018 draft when we do draft the franchise guy. The first overall would be literally surrounded by no one. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 1, 2016 7:38:10 GMT -4
Weren't there a few kids in Quebec who considered applying to the CHL to get allowed in early? Obviously none did apply but there are supposed to be a few really good players so I hope Moncton keeps the pick too Its great to have the first over all and get a franchise type player, but that's the problem, he's only one player. We will be basement for a couple of years at least and I would start this year with 3 or 4 second rounds that we hope either end up playing like first rounds or are team captain character types to break the way for 2018 draft when we do draft the franchise guy. The first overall would be literally surrounded by no one. That`s why they need to add 3-4 more blue chip assets at midseason, trade 3-4 of the best veterans on the team. They also need to hit on the Euro draft in June. instead of always trading back, they should stockpile picks and try and trade up , two 5ths for another 3rd rounder... |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 1, 2016 7:52:00 GMT -4
Its great to have the first over all and get a franchise type player, but that's the problem, he's only one player. We will be basement for a couple of years at least and I would start this year with 3 or 4 second rounds that we hope either end up playing like first rounds or are team captain character types to break the way for 2018 draft when we do draft the franchise guy. The first overall would be literally surrounded by no one. That`s why they need to add 3-4 more blue chip assets at midseason, trade 3-4 of the best veterans on the team. They also need to hit on the Euro draft in June. instead of always trading back, they should stockpile picks and try and trade up , two 5ths for another 3rd rounder... Only Shannon would go for that type of deal. |
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