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Post by catnut on Nov 1, 2016 20:27:16 GMT -4
I'm not sure who owns our 2'nd, but one possible trade I would try to make early is to trade our 2017 first over all pick for our own 2'nd plus the current owner's 2'nd. That would give us a 19th over all and three picks in the top three rounds. I wouldn't be interested in anything else like our 2nd and their 3rd for example. Only the trade I mentioned. I would pose the trade as soon as possible with a long time to accept. That 1'st is going to be worth a lot. Maybe even someone else's 1st and 2nd depending on their holes to fill. I hope you were kidding about trading our 1st round for a second 2nd and maybe a 3rd, trading down is what is a major cause of the problems we are currently seeing, we need some talent to go along with all the 3rd and 4th round talent we have now. If you read it correctly, that is exactly what I didn't want. You're saying the first overall for 2 2nd picks. NEVER!!!!! Only trade I would consider is to a team picking slightly lower (3rd-4th) for their pick plus another good asset. Much like Rouyn did when they dropped from 2nd to 4th in a trade with Halifax. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Nov 1, 2016 20:48:03 GMT -4
If you read it correctly, that is exactly what I didn't want. You're saying the first overall for 2 2nd picks. NEVER!!!!! Only trade I would consider is to a team picking slightly lower (3rd-4th) for their pick plus another good asset. Much like Rouyn did when they dropped from 2nd to 4th in a trade with Halifax. You are probably right. I just wanted to get our 2'nd back. Maybe their first and our second if whoever owns our 2'nd is bottom pack. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 2, 2016 7:20:06 GMT -4
If you read it correctly, that is exactly what I didn't want. You're saying the first overall for 2 2nd picks. NEVER!!!!! Only trade I would consider is to a team picking slightly lower (3rd-4th) for their pick plus another good asset. Much like Rouyn did when they dropped from 2nd to 4th in a trade with Halifax. For the 1st overall pick, Roger can probably get the whole 5th and 6th rounds!! |
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Nov 2, 2016 7:44:14 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 2, 2016 7:56:17 GMT -4
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Nov 2, 2016 8:04:02 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 2, 2016 8:32:28 GMT -4
I would definitely bring him in for a couple of games. It's a win win, if nothing else it gives Bouchard a kick in the pants. |
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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 2, 2016 9:45:14 GMT -4
I was watching the weekly QMJHL show that TVA Sports does every week last night and heard something that I thought was worth mentioning. They briefly talked about the Cats awful start to the season and Mikael Lalancette said that Roger Shannon had told him the team would struggle before Christmas, but then after that watch out.
Probably shouldn't read too much into that as Shannon has a bit of a reputation for talking complete nonsense at times. Yet you still can't help but wonder what exactly he meant by that.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 2, 2016 10:15:00 GMT -4
I was watching the weekly QMJHL show that TVA Sports does every week last night and heard something that I thought was worth mentioning. They briefly talked about the Cats awful start to the season and Mikael Lalancette said that Roger Shannon had told him the team would struggle before Christmas, but then after that watch out. Probably shouldn't read too much into that as Shannon has a bit of a reputation for talking complete nonsense at times. Yet you still can't help but wonder what exactly he meant by that. If he does his job as a GM, they should be worse after Christmas. |
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Post by wild1 on Nov 2, 2016 11:51:27 GMT -4
If the Wildcats trade their first round pick again this year, then that whole organization needs to be turned upside down. Shannon would have to go and if it is Irving pulling the strings then the best thing he could do for this team would be sell the team to someone with long term vision.
As for getting extra picks like our own second or someone else's second round pick and other picks, that is why you trade guys like Holwell, Askew(first round pick back), the Klima twins, Bower, and if you can get anything for Bouchard, Malatesta and Weiderer trade them too. I would rather go full rebuild at the deadline and yeah we will suck big time this year, but there is a chance of that anyway so go for it with the rebuild, you keep top picks and if we get first overall and draft LaFreniere then great build around him, draft a good young Euro and use the higher picks you get from trades to fill holes as well. After that the FA thing as someone said compliments the drafting does not replace it. As for US and NCAA kids, unless you have a firm commitment from them you gamble on them say from the 6th round on, not in the top 5 rounds.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 2, 2016 13:12:19 GMT -4
If the Wildcats trade their first round pick again this year, then that whole organization needs to be turned upside down. Shannon would have to go and if it is Irving pulling the strings then the best thing he could do for this team would be sell the team to someone with long term vision. As for getting extra picks like our own second or someone else's second round pick and other picks, that is why you trade guys like Holwell, Askew(first round pick back), the Klima twins, Bower, and if you can get anything for Bouchard, Malatesta and Weiderer trade them too. I would rather go full rebuild at the deadline and yeah we will suck big time this year, but there is a chance of that anyway so go for it with the rebuild, you keep top picks and if we get first overall and draft LaFreniere then great build around him, draft a good young Euro and use the higher picks you get from trades to fill holes as well. After that the FA thing as someone said compliments the drafting does not replace it. As for US and NCAA kids, unless you have a firm commitment from them you gamble on them say from the 6th round on, not in the top 5 rounds. I think guys like Cormier Weiderer and Gagnon they are better off to keep them for stability, I'm guessing the return will not be that great anyways. They don't necessarily need a fire sale, they have 10 or 11 players that are 19 or 20, but move the 3-5 that are really going to get you value coming back...Askew Holwell, plus whichever others(Malatesta Klima(s) Bower). I doubt Bouchard is worth anything unless he really turns it around. |
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Post by joehockey on Nov 2, 2016 20:02:07 GMT -4
I was watching the weekly QMJHL show that TVA Sports does every week last night and heard something that I thought was worth mentioning. They briefly talked about the Cats awful start to the season and Mikael Lalancette said that Roger Shannon had told him the team would struggle before Christmas, but then after that watch out. Probably shouldn't read too much into that as Shannon has a bit of a reputation for talking complete nonsense at times. Yet you still can't help but wonder what exactly he meant by that. I hope he means that they have a lot of rookies that need to get accustomed to the league but once they do the team should be better. But it is concerning because they should be trying to sell off the valuable player(s) and if they improve in the second half it doesn't seem likely they will be selling. When did Shannon tell Lalancette this? Hopefully it was before the team had gone in the trash and now they've changed their priorities. |
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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 2, 2016 20:42:53 GMT -4
I was watching the weekly QMJHL show that TVA Sports does every week last night and heard something that I thought was worth mentioning. They briefly talked about the Cats awful start to the season and Mikael Lalancette said that Roger Shannon had told him the team would struggle before Christmas, but then after that watch out. Probably shouldn't read too much into that as Shannon has a bit of a reputation for talking complete nonsense at times. Yet you still can't help but wonder what exactly he meant by that. I hope he means that they have a lot of rookies that need to get accustomed to the league but once they do the team should be better. But it is concerning because they should be trying to sell off the valuable player(s) and if they improve in the second half it doesn't seem likely they will be selling. When did Shannon tell Lalancette this? Hopefully it was before the team had gone in the trash and now they've changed their priorities. Probably told him that during the rookie tournament. Lalancette was around doing some reports for TVA during the event. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2016 9:12:20 GMT -4
The article this morning points to a rebuild, but once again a bit cryptic. They say they could move 1 or 2 19 year olds and worry about OA's next year, hopefully they move the guys that have most value, not the most "expendable" guys. For a true rebuild, as has been said many times here, you need some heavy duty picks and prospects to make it work...not adding 2-3 mid round picks.
Edit: Weirdest part is the title says the Cats 20 year olds are attracting attention...and he only talks about 19 year olds!
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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 3, 2016 9:44:50 GMT -4
I found the article to be encouraging for the most part.
Easy for me to say, but I hope they ship out any 19-year old that they get a good offer for. Really should not be a huge concern who the 20's are next season.
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