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Post by catnut on Nov 3, 2016 9:47:33 GMT -4
I found the article to be encouraging for the most part. Easy for me to say, but I hope they ship out any 19-year old that they get a good offer for. Really should not be a huge concern who the 20's are next season. Lately the real problem is what Shannon considers a good offer. |
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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 3, 2016 9:49:35 GMT -4
I found the article to be encouraging for the most part. Easy for me to say, but I hope they ship out any 19-year old that they get a good offer for. Really should not be a huge concern who the 20's are next season. Lately the real problem is what Shannon considers a good offer. Cam Askew for a 4th in 2017 and a 5th in 2019. That's pretty good, no? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2016 10:05:01 GMT -4
I found the article to be encouraging for the most part. Easy for me to say, but I hope they ship out any 19-year old that they get a good offer for. Really should not be a huge concern who the 20's are next season. I see some value in having quality OA's, not meaning high end skill guys, but solid leaders to help the kids. No point in trading Cormier for a 5th and having to pay that same price for a new OA. Obviously if you can get a 2nd for him, it's a different ballgame. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2016 10:05:37 GMT -4
I found the article to be encouraging for the most part. Easy for me to say, but I hope they ship out any 19-year old that they get a good offer for. Really should not be a huge concern who the 20's are next season. Lately the real problem is what Shannon considers a good offer. yup, that Donaghey/Dixon trade looks really bad right now. |
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Post by leftwinglock on Nov 3, 2016 10:21:01 GMT -4
The article this morning points to a rebuild, but once again a bit cryptic. They say they could move 1 or 2 19 year olds and worry about OA's next year, hopefully they move the guys that have most value, not the most "expendable" guys. For a true rebuild, as has been said many times here, you need some heavy duty picks and prospects to make it work...not adding 2-3 mid round picks. Edit: Weirdest part is the title says the Cats 20 year olds are attracting attention...and he only talks about 19 year olds! I think they will be moving the most expendible. I don't think ownership will give approval to move askew and holwell. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2016 10:44:48 GMT -4
The article this morning points to a rebuild, but once again a bit cryptic. They say they could move 1 or 2 19 year olds and worry about OA's next year, hopefully they move the guys that have most value, not the most "expendable" guys. For a true rebuild, as has been said many times here, you need some heavy duty picks and prospects to make it work...not adding 2-3 mid round picks. Edit: Weirdest part is the title says the Cats 20 year olds are attracting attention...and he only talks about 19 year olds! I think they will be moving the most expendible. I don't think ownership will give approval to move askew and holwell. If that's the case they are not serious about building a winner. |
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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 3, 2016 11:52:02 GMT -4
I found the article to be encouraging for the most part. Easy for me to say, but I hope they ship out any 19-year old that they get a good offer for. Really should not be a huge concern who the 20's are next season. I see some value in having quality OA's, not meaning high end skill guys, but solid leaders to help the kids. No point in trading Cormier for a 5th and having to pay that same price for a new OA. Obviously if you can get a 2nd for him, it's a different ballgame. Yup agreed, that's what I meant by that statement. If the 20's next year are Cormier, Gagnon and a OHL/WHL guy I would be fine with that. Probably a moot point as it's hard to see the Klimas having any huge value right now. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2016 11:52:52 GMT -4
I see some value in having quality OA's, not meaning high end skill guys, but solid leaders to help the kids. No point in trading Cormier for a 5th and having to pay that same price for a new OA. Obviously if you can get a 2nd for him, it's a different ballgame. Yup agreed, that's what I meant by that statement. If the 20's next year are Cormier, Gagnon and a OHL/WHL guy I would be fine with that. Probably a moot point as it's hard to see the Klimas having any huge value right now. Would be interesting to see what they would bring back at current value. |
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Post by jimmy on Nov 3, 2016 11:58:11 GMT -4
I see some value in having quality OA's, not meaning high end skill guys, but solid leaders to help the kids. No point in trading Cormier for a 5th and having to pay that same price for a new OA. Obviously if you can get a 2nd for him, it's a different ballgame. Yup agreed, that's what I meant by that statement. If the 20's next year are Cormier, Gagnon and a OHL/WHL guy I would be fine with that. Probably a moot point as it's hard to see the Klimas having any huge value right now. In which case, maybe the OAs for next year become the Klimas and Gagnon or an FA ... especially if a contender can be convinced that Cormier brings some needed size and toughness to their team ... |
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Post by jimmy on Nov 3, 2016 12:04:07 GMT -4
The article this morning points to a rebuild, but once again a bit cryptic. They say they could move 1 or 2 19 year olds and worry about OA's next year, hopefully they move the guys that have most value, not the most "expendable" guys. For a true rebuild, as has been said many times here, you need some heavy duty picks and prospects to make it work...not adding 2-3 mid round picks. Edit: Weirdest part is the title says the Cats 20 year olds are attracting attention...and he only talks about 19 year olds! I think they will be moving the most expendible. I don't think ownership will give approval to move askew and holwell. I can see management getting involved to block the move of a big name star who they feel sells tickets ... that isn't the case with either Askew or Holwell ... I am sure if the right hockey deal is there for them, ownership would let it happen ... the only thing that could make them pause is that unlike a high NHL drafted star who is gone after the season, both would seem to be decent bets to be back in the league at 20 ... by dealing them now, you are effectively admitting next year won't be your year either ... but it should also increase the return. |
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Post by ronmac on Nov 3, 2016 12:09:31 GMT -4
In this bloody league, toughness is no longer much of an asset. I think that's why Irving took off the ballerina off of the opposing teams box, they all have to play like ballerina's.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2016 12:22:15 GMT -4
I think they will be moving the most expendible. I don't think ownership will give approval to move askew and holwell. I can see management getting involved to block the move of a big name star who they feel sells tickets ... that isn't the case with either Askew or Holwell ... I am sure if the right hockey deal is there for them, ownership would let it happen ... the only thing that could make them pause is that unlike a high NHL drafted star who is gone after the season, both would seem to be decent bets to be back in the league at 20 ... by dealing them now, you are effectively admitting next year won't be your year either ... but it should also increase the return. That's exactly the rebuilding formula, trade your high end guys at 19 where you have a big market for the, if you wait at 20, the market shrinks and so does their value. Because they don't have those young blue chip guys, or at worse, very few of them, it will be more than a 1 year rebuild unfortunately. |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 3, 2016 13:20:46 GMT -4
The article this morning points to a rebuild, but once again a bit cryptic. They say they could move 1 or 2 19 year olds and worry about OA's next year, hopefully they move the guys that have most value, not the most "expendable" guys. For a true rebuild, as has been said many times here, you need some heavy duty picks and prospects to make it work...not adding 2-3 mid round picks. Edit: Weirdest part is the title says the Cats 20 year olds are attracting attention...and he only talks about 19 year olds! Article title has been changed online and now says 19 year olds. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 10, 2016 8:38:05 GMT -4
The best news about the last few games is guys like the Klimas have picked up their game, Askew had 3 points last night. Hopefully those guys can be big chips to trade at midseason, along with Holwell. I think guys like Weiderer, Bower, Cormier won't get you enough to be worth moving them, so you keep them as veterans/leaders. Malatesta, I wonder what his value is?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 10, 2016 9:15:38 GMT -4
I'm not expecting the kids to tear it up, but 1/4 of the way through the season, I expect more from 17 year olds that were supposed to be potential top 6 F and top 4 D...hopefully that changes soon....
McKenna pace for 18-10-28
Campannelli pace for 11-11-22
LeCoultre pace for 3-16-19
Aspirot pace for 7-10-17
Dicaire pace for 4-4-8
Massie, Meisenheimer and Senken pace for 0-0-0
I don't expect those guys to step in and dominate, but skilled rookies usually put up 40+ points at 17. Those guys have all gotten pretty good ice time so far.
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