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Post by jimmy on Aug 28, 2017 9:42:32 GMT -4
Now that our roster is basically finalized, it is amazing (well not really considering how dreadful we were) how many returning players have been cut, not invited back, or dumped for late round picks of no significance ... I count 10 regulars either cut or dumped for next to nothing, and three others who were dealt in what were ostensibly hockey deals, but of questionable value in return who may of ended up being cut as well.
Released or traded for minimal return (essentially given away to another team needing warm bodies)
Wojcik - funny move as his play down the stretch would have seemed to dictate higher value
Taillon - former Shawinigan 2nd rounder, part of the return on Askew ... makes that trade look even worse - good move Roger!
Dicaire - 5th round pick (our third highest) in 2016 as a 2nd year eligible player, appears to be heading out of the league a year later - great pick!
Baillargeon - not even invited to camp, but we basically got him for free last year, so no big loss
Meisenheimer - FA last year who didn't pan out, no big loss
Thibault - throw in last year in deal with Bathurst, no big loss
Senken - FA last year, got outplayed by better FAs this year
Johnston - former 4th rounder by Sherbrooke, we got him for next to nothing last year, no big loss
Massie - our top pick last year (3rd round) as a 2nd year eligible player - great pick!
Simic - got him for free, let him go to draft a better euro
Then you have Murphy, Fortin and Tmej who were all traded for at least a moderate hockey return - some or all of them may very well have been cut had they returned ...
Anyhow, all that to say, pretty incredible turnover of returning players essentially cut or dumped - must be some sort of record ... you occasionally see teams cut a couple of marginal vets - but not a dozen or more ...
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Post by Penguins23® on Aug 28, 2017 11:15:11 GMT -4
So Jacob Hudson is the only one from last year's draft to make the team? theqmjhl.ca/draft/2016/MonIf we hadn't traded down and had drafted the guy we just traded 3 first round picks for this would be a bit easier to swallow. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 28, 2017 20:34:43 GMT -4
So Jacob Hudson is the only one from last year's draft to make the team? theqmjhl.ca/draft/2016/MonIf we hadn't traded down and had drafted the guy we just traded 3 first round picks for this would be a bit easier to swallow. Yeah, all the trading makes the Anderson trade look a lot worse. It would have been sooo much easier to grab him in the draft and have extra 1st rounders in 2018 and 2019 plus Jacques. |
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Post by drnoy on Aug 28, 2017 20:48:19 GMT -4
So Jacob Hudson is the only one from last year's draft to make the team? theqmjhl.ca/draft/2016/MonIf we hadn't traded down and had drafted the guy we just traded 3 first round picks for this would be a bit easier to swallow. Yeah, all the trading makes the Anderson trade look a lot worse. It would have been sooo much easier to grab him in the draft and have extra 1st rounders in 2018 and 2019 plus Jacques. |
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Post by chsb on Aug 28, 2017 23:43:35 GMT -4
Then you have Murphy, Fortin and Tmej who were all traded for at least a moderate hockey return - some or all of them may very well have been cut had they returned ... These 3 guys should be on the Titan team, but none of them should have made the Moncton team? Suddenly you got a contender on your hands?  |
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Aug 29, 2017 0:02:04 GMT -4
Then you have Murphy, Fortin and Tmej who were all traded for at least a moderate hockey return - some or all of them may very well have been cut had they returned ... These 3 guys should be on the Titan team, but none of them should have made the Moncton team? Suddenly you got a contender on your hands? The only one I’d say guaranteed to stick if not traded would be fortin. |
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Post by ronmac on Aug 29, 2017 5:19:21 GMT -4
So Jacob Hudson is the only one from last year's draft to make the team? theqmjhl.ca/draft/2016/MonIf we hadn't traded down and had drafted the guy we just traded 3 first round picks for this would be a bit easier to swallow. Yeah, all the trading makes the Anderson trade look a lot worse. It would have been sooo much easier to grab him in the draft and have extra 1st rounders in 2018 and 2019 plus Jacques. This management team has their heads so far up their ASS I am surprised they can see the day light!!!! |
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Post by chsb on Aug 29, 2017 6:31:33 GMT -4
These 3 guys should be on the Titan team, but none of them should have made the Moncton team? Suddenly you got a contender on your hands? The only one I’d say guaranteed to stick if not traded would be fortin. I would say the WCs did keep the younger player at equal value....that I would agree with and also that they preferred a new group of FAs to the remnants from last season. It will be interesting to see if there were gold nuggets findings in these. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 29, 2017 6:56:44 GMT -4
My big question is, how aggressive will they be at midseason to add more picks and young players. The roster right now is much like last year in terms of age, except for a couple of high upside 16 year olds.
20-Welsh Desjardins Dunda
19-Weiringa MacRae Tessier Pataki Grametbauer
18-MacKenna C.McKenna Arsenault Lecoultre Cyr Campanneli Waite MacArthur Aspirot Kuzmin Imbeault Blackmore
17-Tucker Hudson
16-Pelletier Bellamy
Pretty amazing that only 7 players on the current roster are eligible to return in 2 years, right on the heels of the huge turnover in 12 months.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 29, 2017 8:05:03 GMT -4
Then you have Murphy, Fortin and Tmej who were all traded for at least a moderate hockey return - some or all of them may very well have been cut had they returned ... These 3 guys should be on the Titan team, but none of them should have made the Moncton team? Suddenly you got a contender on your hands? Murphy needed a change of scenery. He has greater potential than he showed here. He would have either been traded or put on waivers this year if he was back. That doesn't mean he doesn't belong in the league ... just wasn't working out here. Tmej was a backup here and barely played in the last month or so of the season. He was a fill in here for a bad season. He is a good goaltender but is the same age as Waite so it makes no sense to have both. Waite is the future #1 of this team. He'll share with Grametbauer for the first half and hopefully there is a demand for Grametbauer at Xmas so he can be dealt for a good return. We had Alec MacDonald waiting in the wings (a year younger) and he has greater potential than Tmej. We now have a few extra good young goaltenders also so Tmej was expendable. He just didn't figure into the plans this year after Waite showed he was the guy last year ... and they were the same age. Fortin would likely be back if we hadn't traded him ... or we'd trade him somewhere else. |
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Post by Citris on Aug 29, 2017 18:58:08 GMT -4
These 3 guys should be on the Titan team, but none of them should have made the Moncton team? Suddenly you got a contender on your hands? The Titan are top-heavy and lack depth. The Cats now have some pretty decent depth of good young players, but are not a contender because they lack high-end talent. This is not hard to figure out. As others have said, Fortin probably sticks but, Murphy maybe, Timej would definitely be cut. The only reason he will make the Titan is that Bathurst has failed to draft a goaltender for quite a while now, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Timej off the team by January. |
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Post by chsb on Aug 30, 2017 6:36:56 GMT -4
These 3 guys should be on the Titan team, but none of them should have made the Moncton team? Suddenly you got a contender on your hands? The Titan are top-heavy and lack depth. The Cats now have some pretty decent depth of good young players, but are not a contender because they lack high-end talent. This is not hard to figure out. As others have said, Fortin probably sticks but, Murphy maybe, Timej would definitely be cut. The only reason he will make the Titan is that Bathurst has failed to draft a goaltender for quite a while now, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Timej off the team by January. I believe Tmej can do the job as a backup....from what we saw so far which is a small sample. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 30, 2017 6:59:09 GMT -4
The Titan are top-heavy and lack depth. The Cats now have some pretty decent depth of good young players, but are not a contender because they lack high-end talent. This is not hard to figure out. As others have said, Fortin probably sticks but, Murphy maybe, Timej would definitely be cut. The only reason he will make the Titan is that Bathurst has failed to draft a goaltender for quite a while now, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Timej off the team by January. I believe Tmej can do the job as a backup....from what we saw so far which is a small sample. Tmej outplayed Waite mid season, then team started going high on him and he had a hard time. I think he can be a solid Q goalie if he can fix this flaw(plying with his upper body more upright). No reason he can't give you 25-30 games. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Aug 30, 2017 7:28:53 GMT -4
I believe Tmej can do the job as a backup....from what we saw so far which is a small sample. Tmej outplayed Waite mid season, then team started going high on him and he had a hard time. I think he can be a solid Q goalie if he can fix this flaw(plying with his upper body more upright). No reason he can't give you 25-30 games. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Tmej is a dime a dozen goalie. You can find guys his caliber every year playing Jr. A or Major Midget. There's nothing he's shown me that makes me believe he can be a guy to give you 25-30 games. |
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Post by jimmy on Aug 30, 2017 8:02:41 GMT -4
Tmej outplayed Waite mid season, then team started going high on him and he had a hard time. I think he can be a solid Q goalie if he can fix this flaw(plying with his upper body more upright). No reason he can't give you 25-30 games. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Tmej is a dime a dozen goalie. You can find guys his caliber every year playing Jr. A or Major Midget. There's nothing he's shown me that makes me believe he can be a guy to give you 25-30 games. I think the jury is still out on that ... he showed some promise at 17, and you have to remember that the team in front of him was horrid - the quality of chances he faced was ridiculous - hard to say what he is at this point (same goes for Waite for that matter). Like most young goalies, he has some holes in his game - but if he manages to improve a bit, it is not inconceivable that he turns out to be a decent goalie in this league. This season should tell the tale. |
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