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Post by LLL on Sept 26, 2018 11:08:10 GMT -4
I don't like it either but it is a fact of life in 2018. After 9/11 it was terrorists that were a problem. Now it's anybody who has a beef against who knows what that can be a potential problem and Moncton is not immune as we have already seen. Better to be safe than sorry.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 26, 2018 11:23:55 GMT -4
I don't like it either but it is a fact of life in 2018. After 9/11 it was terrorists that were a problem. Now it's anybody who has a beef against who knows what that can be a potential problem and Moncton is not immune as we have already seen. Better to be safe than sorry. Let's be serious here though, if somebody wants to kill 50 people, there are hundreds of soft targets where they can do it in the region. Heck they could do whatever they are planning when people are in line for the metal detectors... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 26, 2018 11:28:03 GMT -4
I don't like it either but it is a fact of life in 2018. After 9/11 it was terrorists that were a problem. Now it's anybody who has a beef against who knows what that can be a potential problem and Moncton is not immune as we have already seen. Better to be safe than sorry. Let's be serious here though, if somebody wants to kill 50 people, there are hundreds of soft targets where they can do it in the region. Heck they could do whatever they are planning when people are in line for the metal detectors... How is basically arguing for no precautions at all being serious? Nobody is saying you're preventing any person with a radical view from doing something outside of an event. It's about protecting the people inside the event. 5-10 minutes of extra wait time to have everyone properly screened is a small price to pay. You could be driving down the street tomorrow and be T-Boned by a bus it doesn't mean you shouldn't wear a seatbelt. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 26, 2018 11:38:43 GMT -4
Let's be serious here though, if somebody wants to kill 50 people, there are hundreds of soft targets where they can do it in the region. Heck they could do whatever they are planning when people are in line for the metal detectors... How is basically arguing for no precautions at all being serious? Nobody is saying you're preventing any person with a radical view from doing something outside of an event. It's about protecting the people inside the event. 5-10 minutes of extra wait time to have everyone properly screened is a small price to pay. You could be driving down the street tomorrow and be T-Boned by a bus it doesn't mean you shouldn't wear a seatbelt. Schools and malls don't have metal detectors, just pointing out that all you are doing is changing the target not eliminating it. As I said you have 100-200 people waiting to enter, that's no different than doing it inside the building. I can see it when it's an international star or nationally televised event where somebody would reach a much bigger audience, but this is no different than the last 20+ years at the Coliseum. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 26, 2018 11:43:51 GMT -4
How is basically arguing for no precautions at all being serious? Nobody is saying you're preventing any person with a radical view from doing something outside of an event. It's about protecting the people inside the event. 5-10 minutes of extra wait time to have everyone properly screened is a small price to pay. You could be driving down the street tomorrow and be T-Boned by a bus it doesn't mean you shouldn't wear a seatbelt. Schools and malls don't have metal detectors, just pointing out that all you are doing is changing the target not eliminating it. As I said you have 100-200 people waiting to enter, that's no different than doing it inside the building. It's different to the people running the building and trying to control the crowd inside of it. It's also different to potential insurance claims on where any incident took place. Would you rather a murder happened in your living room or on the other side of the fence surrounding your property? Someone might still be dead, but that doesn't mean nothing else involving it matters. Do you leave for work and not lock your doors? Because lets face it...realistically you're not stopping a real criminal from breaking in and taking all your shit. Might as well just leave the door wide open using your own logic. And some schools do have metal detectors. Whatever that has to do with any of this morbid discussion though i'm not really sure. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 26, 2018 11:48:05 GMT -4
I don't like it either but it is a fact of life in 2018. After 9/11 it was terrorists that were a problem. Now it's anybody who has a beef against who knows what that can be a potential problem and Moncton is not immune as we have already seen. Better to be safe than sorry. Let's be serious here though, if somebody wants to kill 50 people, there are hundreds of soft targets where they can do it in the region. Heck they could do whatever they are planning when people are in line for the metal detectors... Ugh ... what a terrible viewpoint. If some idiot walked up to a line and started shooting, he'd get off three shots before people started scattering in all directions outdoors. But do it inside with people in their seats ... start firing and people try to scatter but they can't get anywhere because of the mass crowd, aisles and stairs. There is no argument that you can make that can justify not taking security measures as they are planning to do. It would actually be a nice change someday for you to not be negative about everything related to the Wildcats. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 26, 2018 11:51:00 GMT -4
Let's be serious here though, if somebody wants to kill 50 people, there are hundreds of soft targets where they can do it in the region. Heck they could do whatever they are planning when people are in line for the metal detectors... Ugh ... what a terrible viewpoint. If some idiot walked up to a line and started shooting, he'd get off three shots before people started scattering in all directions outdoors. But do it inside with people in their seats ... start firing and people try to scatter but they can't get anywhere because of the mass crowd, aisles and stairs. There is no argument that you can make that can justify not taking security measures as they are planning to do. It would actually be a nice change someday for you to not be negative about everything related to the Wildcats. If somebody started shooting with 100-200 people waiting in line, I'm sure he could shoot a lot more than 3. They can do whatever they want, I just don't see the benefit. This is not the Wildcats, it's the city and company that runs the building. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 26, 2018 11:53:21 GMT -4
Schools and malls don't have metal detectors, just pointing out that all you are doing is changing the target not eliminating it. As I said you have 100-200 people waiting to enter, that's no different than doing it inside the building. It's different to the people running the building and trying to control the crowd inside of it. It's also different to potential insurance claims on where any incident took place. Would you rather a murder happened in your living room or on the other side of the fence surrounding your property? Someone might still be dead, but that doesn't mean nothing else involving it matters. Do you leave for work and not lock your doors? Because lets face it...realistically you're not stopping a real criminal from breaking in and taking all your shit. Might as well just leave the door wide open using your own logic. And some schools do have metal detectors. Whatever that has to do with any of this morbid discussion though i'm not really sure. Locking your doors and wearing a seatbelt when you drive are normal precautions and they don't cost very much. People used to not lock their doors because they trusted their neighbors. Nothing happened at the Coliseum, why would it be any different there? |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 26, 2018 11:54:56 GMT -4
How is basically arguing for no precautions at all being serious? Nobody is saying you're preventing any person with a radical view from doing something outside of an event. It's about protecting the people inside the event. 5-10 minutes of extra wait time to have everyone properly screened is a small price to pay. You could be driving down the street tomorrow and be T-Boned by a bus it doesn't mean you shouldn't wear a seatbelt. Schools and malls don't have metal detectors, just pointing out that all you are doing is changing the target not eliminating it. As I said you have 100-200 people waiting to enter, that's no different than doing it inside the building. I can see it when it's an international star or nationally televised event where somebody would reach a much bigger audience, but this is no different than the last 20+ years at the Coliseum. So the operators of the Event center are taking measures to prevent it happening in their facility ... on their watch. It is not their job to prevent somebody in a truck from running through a crowd of people crossing Main Street after the game. All they can control is what happens inside their building they are charged with caring for. I see ... your logic is that since it didn't happen at the Coliseum then it won't happen at the Avenir Centre. Does that also hold true that you haven't had a car accident in 5 years (or more) that you won't have one this week/month/year ? It did happen to the SMG Group though ... at the Ariana Grande concert in the UK. So they have created policies for all of their facilities to try to prevent it from happening again. Who should decide which facility gets to skip the company security policy ? |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 26, 2018 11:55:50 GMT -4
Ugh ... what a terrible viewpoint. If some idiot walked up to a line and started shooting, he'd get off three shots before people started scattering in all directions outdoors. But do it inside with people in their seats ... start firing and people try to scatter but they can't get anywhere because of the mass crowd, aisles and stairs. There is no argument that you can make that can justify not taking security measures as they are planning to do. It would actually be a nice change someday for you to not be negative about everything related to the Wildcats. If somebody started shooting with 100-200 people waiting in line, I'm sure he could shoot a lot more than 3. They can do whatever they want, I just don't see the benefit. This is not the Wildcats, it's the city and company that runs the building. So we really have no need to employ any security anywhere using your logic. Bad people are going to do bad things is not the way to approach security for gatherings of 8000+ people. It's a radical point of view that only feeds into the mindset of those who want to do awful things to people when the entire idea behind the security is to catch the potentially 1 person at 1 time because that could be the difference between you or your spouse or your friends being able to leave the arena under your own power some evening. But if something did happen and there was no security in place you'd be the first one here saying the team, the team owner, building management and security, and politicians are to blame for how easy it was to pull something off in a downtown arena that should have state of the art security measures in place. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 26, 2018 11:56:20 GMT -4
Ugh ... what a terrible viewpoint. If some idiot walked up to a line and started shooting, he'd get off three shots before people started scattering in all directions outdoors. But do it inside with people in their seats ... start firing and people try to scatter but they can't get anywhere because of the mass crowd, aisles and stairs. There is no argument that you can make that can justify not taking security measures as they are planning to do. It would actually be a nice change someday for you to not be negative about everything related to the Wildcats. If somebody started shooting with 100-200 people waiting in line, I'm sure he could shoot a lot more than 3. They can do whatever they want, I just don't see the benefit. This is not the Wildcats, it's the city and company that runs the building. I hope we never see the benefit ...  It is SMG's policies since they have had it happen to them already. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 26, 2018 11:58:41 GMT -4
It's different to the people running the building and trying to control the crowd inside of it. It's also different to potential insurance claims on where any incident took place. Would you rather a murder happened in your living room or on the other side of the fence surrounding your property? Someone might still be dead, but that doesn't mean nothing else involving it matters. Do you leave for work and not lock your doors? Because lets face it...realistically you're not stopping a real criminal from breaking in and taking all your shit. Might as well just leave the door wide open using your own logic. And some schools do have metal detectors. Whatever that has to do with any of this morbid discussion though i'm not really sure. Locking your doors and wearing a seatbelt when you drive are normal precautions and they don't cost very much. People used to not lock their doors because they trusted their neighbors. Nothing happened at the Coliseum, why would it be any different there? Now you are just trolling and trying to get a reaction. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 26, 2018 12:01:17 GMT -4
It's different to the people running the building and trying to control the crowd inside of it. It's also different to potential insurance claims on where any incident took place. Would you rather a murder happened in your living room or on the other side of the fence surrounding your property? Someone might still be dead, but that doesn't mean nothing else involving it matters. Do you leave for work and not lock your doors? Because lets face it...realistically you're not stopping a real criminal from breaking in and taking all your shit. Might as well just leave the door wide open using your own logic. And some schools do have metal detectors. Whatever that has to do with any of this morbid discussion though i'm not really sure. Locking your doors and wearing a seatbelt when you drive are normal precautions and they don't cost very much. People used to not lock their doors because they trusted their neighbors. Nothing happened at the Coliseum, why would it be any different there? Scanning bags of 8000+ people entering an event is normal precaution. What world have you lived in since 9/11? I've been to maybe 10 events of 18,000+ people since 9/11/2001 and each and every time either I was scanned and/or patted down and the female I was with had her bag scanned if it was allowed in at all. It's as normal as wearing your seatbelt. And it doesn't cost you anything because it's a part of the experience at a large scale arena or stadium. If the 5-10 minutes are worth that much to you just stay home. Or arrive early. Or arrive late. But to say seatbelts don't cost you anything but the security at an event does is among the dumbest things you've ever said here. They both cost "something" and you likely will never need or use either. But the 1 time someone does need it they all hope it's there to be used. |
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Post by wild1 on Sept 26, 2018 12:20:31 GMT -4
Of all the things about the arena so far that has been mentioned, lack of parking etc. This whole security thing does not bother me at all, I have been to NHL games where this happened and it took only a few seconds each time, so what I would rather be safe than sorry. I am actually happy Moncton is starting to be more strict with security issues, you never know where something could happen, so a few minutes more of our time is worth knowing that people inside are safe.
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Post by lirette on Sept 26, 2018 12:42:52 GMT -4
Of all the things about the arena so far that has been mentioned, lack of parking etc. This whole security thing does not bother me at all, I have been to NHL games where this happened and it took only a few seconds each time, so what I would rather be safe than sorry. I am actually happy Moncton is starting to be more strict with security issues, you never know where something could happen, so a few minutes more of our time is worth knowing that people inside are safe. I think the security thing has become the new shiny toy for the whining internet community now that the parking talk has died down. I'm sure the lines will speed up as more events take place and they optimize things. Theyve also mentioned theres other doors they can open up for future events if needed. If i learned anything from the parking fiasco its that the biggest whiners never had any interest in going to events anyway. They just hope for the centre to fail. The people who have actually used the centre have mostly had a positive experience. |
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