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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 26, 2018 12:55:50 GMT -4
Locking your doors and wearing a seatbelt when you drive are normal precautions and they don't cost very much. People used to not lock their doors because they trusted their neighbors. Nothing happened at the Coliseum, why would it be any different there? Scanning bags of 8000+ people entering an event is normal precaution. What world have you lived in since 9/11? I've been to maybe 10 events of 18,000+ people since 9/11/2001 and each and every time either I was scanned and/or patted down and the female I was with had her bag scanned if it was allowed in at all. It's as normal as wearing your seatbelt. And it doesn't cost you anything because it's a part of the experience at a large scale arena or stadium. If the 5-10 minutes are worth that much to you just stay home. Or arrive early. Or arrive late. But to say seatbelts don't cost you anything but the security at an event does is among the dumbest things you've ever said here. They both cost "something" and you likely will never need or use either. But the 1 time someone does need it they all hope it's there to be used. The Wildcats(and 16 or 17 other Q teams) have played hundreds of home games since 09/11 without metal detectors, I fail to see what has changed? |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 26, 2018 13:13:46 GMT -4
Scanning bags of 8000+ people entering an event is normal precaution. What world have you lived in since 9/11? I've been to maybe 10 events of 18,000+ people since 9/11/2001 and each and every time either I was scanned and/or patted down and the female I was with had her bag scanned if it was allowed in at all. It's as normal as wearing your seatbelt. And it doesn't cost you anything because it's a part of the experience at a large scale arena or stadium. If the 5-10 minutes are worth that much to you just stay home. Or arrive early. Or arrive late. But to say seatbelts don't cost you anything but the security at an event does is among the dumbest things you've ever said here. They both cost "something" and you likely will never need or use either. But the 1 time someone does need it they all hope it's there to be used. The Wildcats(and 16 or 17 other Q teams) have played hundreds of home games since 09/11 without metal detectors, I fail to see what has changed? Our world has changed ... apparently you slept through it. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 26, 2018 13:43:29 GMT -4
Scanning bags of 8000+ people entering an event is normal precaution. What world have you lived in since 9/11? I've been to maybe 10 events of 18,000+ people since 9/11/2001 and each and every time either I was scanned and/or patted down and the female I was with had her bag scanned if it was allowed in at all. It's as normal as wearing your seatbelt. And it doesn't cost you anything because it's a part of the experience at a large scale arena or stadium. If the 5-10 minutes are worth that much to you just stay home. Or arrive early. Or arrive late. But to say seatbelts don't cost you anything but the security at an event does is among the dumbest things you've ever said here. They both cost "something" and you likely will never need or use either. But the 1 time someone does need it they all hope it's there to be used. The Wildcats(and 16 or 17 other Q teams) have played hundreds of home games since 09/11 without metal detectors, I fail to see what has changed? Yeah nothing has changed since 9/11. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 26, 2018 13:47:20 GMT -4
The Wildcats(and 16 or 17 other Q teams) have played hundreds of home games since 09/11 without metal detectors, I fail to see what has changed? Our world has changed ... apparently you slept through it. I didn't realize the world blew up over the summer... |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 26, 2018 13:47:58 GMT -4
The Wildcats(and 16 or 17 other Q teams) have played hundreds of home games since 09/11 without metal detectors, I fail to see what has changed? Yeah nothing has changed since 9/11. Not at Q games...definitely not in Moncton... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 26, 2018 13:52:56 GMT -4
Our world has changed ... apparently you slept through it. I didn't realize the world blew up over the summer... I actually feel bad for you that you're still trying to continue this as if you're right and have any leg left to stand on. You're horribly wrong on your opinion of all of this as everyone seems to be telling you. You want no protection because there's nothing you need to be protected from. We get it. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 26, 2018 13:56:24 GMT -4
Yeah nothing has changed since 9/11. Not at Q games...definitely not in Moncton... Nope. Everything is the exact same everywhere. Got it. You're either trolling or have some other agenda that has no need to be played out here. Last word can be yours. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 26, 2018 14:04:24 GMT -4
I didn't realize the world blew up over the summer... I actually feel bad for you that you're still trying to continue this as if you're right and have any leg left to stand on. You're horribly wrong on your opinion of all of this as everyone seems to be telling you. You want no protection because there's nothing you need to be protected from. We get it. It's funny seeing you trying to be the voice of reason and failing miserably. There is no evidence that games at the new rink are any more dangerous, as I said, for national broadcasts or big stars I can see it, but for Q games...there has been thousands of them since 09/11 so it's ridiculous that you bring that up as justification for something 17 years later... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 26, 2018 14:27:45 GMT -4
I actually feel bad for you that you're still trying to continue this as if you're right and have any leg left to stand on. You're horribly wrong on your opinion of all of this as everyone seems to be telling you. You want no protection because there's nothing you need to be protected from. We get it. It's funny seeing you trying to be the voice of reason and failing miserably. There is no evidence that games at the new rink are any more dangerous, as I said, for national broadcasts or big stars I can see it, but for Q games...there has been thousands of them since 09/11 so it's ridiculous that you bring that up as justification for something 17 years later... You can't reason with the unreasonable. You prove that by continuing to expose yourself in threads like this where you continue to make points that make every one else cringe in response to your own stupidity. It's 2018. In a brand new rink if you have the ability for enhanced security then you use it. Case closed. Nothing else matters. Stay home if you don't want to be subjected to an extra 45 seconds of some middle aged man or woman patting you down or checking your spouses handbag. If you want to walk in there and tell them that nothing bad happens at large events and that it's all not necessary and a waste of time and money feel free to do so. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 26, 2018 14:37:17 GMT -4
I actually feel bad for you that you're still trying to continue this as if you're right and have any leg left to stand on. You're horribly wrong on your opinion of all of this as everyone seems to be telling you. You want no protection because there's nothing you need to be protected from. We get it. It's funny seeing you trying to be the voice of reason and failing miserably. There is no evidence that games at the new rink are any more dangerous, as I said, for national broadcasts or big stars I can see it, but for Q games...there has been thousands of them since 09/11 so it's ridiculous that you bring that up as justification for something 17 years later... Here is what changed ... SMG came to town and they run the show. They had an attack at one of their other venues and have set rules for all future events they manage. That includes the Moncton Wildcats. They'd open themselves to all sorts of liability if they didn't set those rules in Moncton also ... but did everywhere else ... and then something happened. They aren't protecting us because something happened before at a Q game ... it is because it happens worldwide and they want to protect from it happening here as best they can. Some idiot shot up five cops here in Moncton four years ago ... three died. Because of that there was an inquiry and they determined that the RCMP should have been better equipped ... with carbines. Wouldn't it have been nice if that determination was made before that day four years ago and that the equipment (and training) was already in place. Wouldn't it have been nice if they were better prepared for an occurrence like that ? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 26, 2018 14:56:11 GMT -4
It's funny seeing you trying to be the voice of reason and failing miserably. There is no evidence that games at the new rink are any more dangerous, as I said, for national broadcasts or big stars I can see it, but for Q games...there has been thousands of them since 09/11 so it's ridiculous that you bring that up as justification for something 17 years later... You can't reason with the unreasonable. You prove that by continuing to expose yourself in threads like this where you continue to make points that make every one else cringe in response to your own stupidity. It's 2018. In a brand new rink if you have the ability for enhanced security then you use it. Case closed. Nothing else matters. Stay home if you don't want to be subjected to an extra 45 seconds of some middle aged man or woman patting you down or checking your spouses handbag. If you want to walk in there and tell them that nothing bad happens at large events and that it's all not necessary and a waste of time and money feel free to do so. How am I unreasonable? Nothing has happened at any Q game that justifies the expense for this. It then gets passed on to the person buying the ticket. I find it's overkill. The Q existed in Moncton for almost 25 years without this and nobody ever felt "unsafe" at the Coliseum. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 26, 2018 15:11:23 GMT -4
You can't reason with the unreasonable. You prove that by continuing to expose yourself in threads like this where you continue to make points that make every one else cringe in response to your own stupidity. It's 2018. In a brand new rink if you have the ability for enhanced security then you use it. Case closed. Nothing else matters. Stay home if you don't want to be subjected to an extra 45 seconds of some middle aged man or woman patting you down or checking your spouses handbag. If you want to walk in there and tell them that nothing bad happens at large events and that it's all not necessary and a waste of time and money feel free to do so. How am I unreasonable? Nothing has happened at any Q game that justifies the expense for this. It then gets passed on to the person buying the ticket. I find it's overkill. The Q existed in Moncton for almost 25 years without this and nobody ever felt "unsafe" at the Coliseum. Clearly you don't agree with being pro-active. I do. As do many others who realize you can't live in a bubble and never expect a bad thing to happen to you or your community. The cost of a few "rent a cops" and all the hardware in place for big events is a part of a new state of the art facility. If you don't want to support it. Don't go. As a tax payer if you don't like it. Move. Not sure what else to tell you. We evolve over time and invest in things to prevent disasters that may never occur. If we only reacted afterwards we'd have a lot more disasters to deal with. That's life. Deal with it. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 26, 2018 15:15:28 GMT -4
It's funny seeing you trying to be the voice of reason and failing miserably. There is no evidence that games at the new rink are any more dangerous, as I said, for national broadcasts or big stars I can see it, but for Q games...there has been thousands of them since 09/11 so it's ridiculous that you bring that up as justification for something 17 years later... Here is what changed ... SMG came to town and they run the show. They had an attack at one of their other venues and have set rules for all future events they manage. That includes the Moncton Wildcats. They'd open themselves to all sorts of liability if they didn't set those rules in Moncton also ... but did everywhere else ... and then something happened. They aren't protecting us because something happened before at a Q game ... it is because it happens worldwide and they want to protect from it happening here as best they can. Some idiot shot up five cops here in Moncton four years ago ... three died. Because of that there was an inquiry and they determined that the RCMP should have been better equipped ... with carbines. Wouldn't it have been nice if that determination was made before that day four years ago and that the equipment (and training) was already in place. Wouldn't it have been nice if they were better prepared for an occurrence like that ? Unfortunately if that was the case and there was no disaster the Billy's of the world would be crying about how much we spend to arm police officers in smaller cities where those types of things don't happen. You can't win. You're either getting ahead of a disaster and "wasting tax payers dollars" or you do nothing and get blamed for complacency. Government officials and management have no way to win the battle when hindsight will always give people something to complain about in regards to protecting people and how to go about it. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 26, 2018 15:32:13 GMT -4
Here is what changed ... SMG came to town and they run the show. They had an attack at one of their other venues and have set rules for all future events they manage. That includes the Moncton Wildcats. They'd open themselves to all sorts of liability if they didn't set those rules in Moncton also ... but did everywhere else ... and then something happened. They aren't protecting us because something happened before at a Q game ... it is because it happens worldwide and they want to protect from it happening here as best they can. Some idiot shot up five cops here in Moncton four years ago ... three died. Because of that there was an inquiry and they determined that the RCMP should have been better equipped ... with carbines. Wouldn't it have been nice if that determination was made before that day four years ago and that the equipment (and training) was already in place. Wouldn't it have been nice if they were better prepared for an occurrence like that ? Unfortunately if that was the case and there was no disaster the Billy's of the world would be crying about how much we spend to arm police officers in smaller cities where those types of things don't happen. You can't win. You're either getting ahead of a disaster and "wasting tax payers dollars" or you do nothing and get blamed for complacency. Government officials and management have no way to win the battle when hindsight will always give people something to complain about in regards to protecting people and how to go about it. I have no problem arming police, they are the ones that should be called if an incident happens, part of the job and they should have what they need. Having a metal detector in no way protects anybody in the new building if a gunman arrives and decides to start shooting people. The 65 year old guy with the metal detector wand won't stop him or the unarmed security either...just like the Coliseum, the only thing they can do is call police and hide. That's the bottom line. |
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Post by moosefan1994 on Sept 26, 2018 16:11:02 GMT -4
Large sporting events/concerts are prime soft targets for someone or some group with a hateful agenda to try and kill as many people as possible. It doesn't have to be done with guns or knives, you get somebody with enough knowledge about chemistry and enough hate they could easily sneak in a chemical concoction and set it off inside a large building full of people.
They scan bags in Halifax and I am glad they do it. You go to bars and get patted down, it's simply the environment we live in. I am taking trips in 2019 by plane, I just show up early enough to not have to wait in line too long while we are guaranteed we will get to our destination safely.
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