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Post by chootoi on Sept 26, 2018 17:44:36 GMT -4
It’s an insurance policy for SMG and if you’ve bought a ticket, then sorry but you’ve bought into the policy. It’s like saying I’ve never had a car accident. Why bother with seatbelts or car insurance? My house has never flooded or caught fire. Why bother with home insurance? Never been hit by a Silverado either. Life insurance? Nah I’m good.
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Post by wild1 on Sept 26, 2018 19:06:10 GMT -4
Of all the things about the arena so far that has been mentioned, lack of parking etc. This whole security thing does not bother me at all, I have been to NHL games where this happened and it took only a few seconds each time, so what I would rather be safe than sorry. I am actually happy Moncton is starting to be more strict with security issues, you never know where something could happen, so a few minutes more of our time is worth knowing that people inside are safe. I think the security thing has become the new shiny toy for the whining internet community now that the parking talk has died down. I'm sure the lines will speed up as more events take place and they optimize things. Theyve also mentioned theres other doors they can open up for future events if needed. If i learned anything from the parking fiasco its that the biggest whiners never had any interest in going to events anyway. They just hope for the centre to fail. The people who have actually used the centre have mostly had a positive experience. Exactly some people just need something to complain about or they would not be happy. It is that same mentality in my hometown Northern NB people seem to want things to fail. Sure I would like free convenient parking near the new arena, but the minor inconvenience is worth it in order to have a beautiful new downtown arena. This is by far the nicest rink in Atlantic Canada IMHO anyway. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Sept 26, 2018 19:18:25 GMT -4
It’s an insurance policy for SMG and if you’ve bought a ticket, then sorry but you’ve bought into the policy. It’s like saying I’ve never had a car accident. Why bother with seatbelts or car insurance? My house has never flooded or caught fire. Why bother with home insurance? Never been hit by a Silverado either. Life insurance? Nah I’m good. The best explanation I have ever come across. Good post! |
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Post by lahey55 on Sept 26, 2018 19:35:42 GMT -4
Never bothered posting here but I feel I have to chime in on this. The patting people down/security stuff is massive overkill lol. No need for it. As someone else said the idea that a metal detector/pat down is going to stop someone with a gun from slaughtering people is insane. Hell, if they want a giant line of people outside is a prime target I'd suspect. It just seems so over the top because I've never once not felt safe at a hockey rink in my life. Sure something could happen but it could happen anywhere. Should we allow random stop and frisk walking down Main Street?
Whatever not going to make a difference to me but seeing every single person gang up on buddy was just odd. Every person I talk to (maybe younger then the crowd here) tends to agree that it's over kill. I think it has as much to do with stopping contraband liquor then it does anything else but alas.
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Post by ysj28 on Sept 26, 2018 19:39:44 GMT -4
From what I understand it's people with wands and not actual metal detectors. Why not just spring and get metal detectors like an aiport? I want to a concert in Bangor and their arena (holds maybe 6,000) had the airport type metal detectors. You just walk through and in you go.
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Post by juliansteed on Sept 26, 2018 20:30:24 GMT -4
I get the whole "Where do we draw the line?" argument. You can't shield everyone from being even the tiniest bit vulnerable to any danger 100% of the time, but I have no issue with those who wish to take extra precautions. That being said, if they didn't take those extra security precautions I wouldn't consider it a death trap.
I don't doubt for a second that stopping people from sneaking in their own concessions might also have something to do with it but have no issue with that either. The building needs to be paid for somehow.
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Post by misconduct on Sept 26, 2018 21:31:48 GMT -4
Went my first event at the new venue tonight. I'm very impressed. Got there just as the doors were opened. The line up was down the side of the building around the outdoor rink and back towards the front entrance. So it was probably a 200 meter long line. We were past the scanning and inside in about 5 minutes.
The building is fantastic. Lots of room to walk around. Comfortable seats. Leaving was very easy. We are out of the building and home in riverview in 15 minutes. I actually parked to far away. I could have parked much closer. Can't wait for Friday.
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Post by riverviewroyal on Sept 26, 2018 23:49:56 GMT -4
To have the opinion of the Metal detectors being overkill is just plain horsesh*t. Sure you're entitled to your opinion but that opinion simply makes you look dumb. You're complaining about the extra security which is present in tens of thousands of private areanas locations around the world? It's a fact of life there, whiners. Maybe try traveling outside of Moncton or NB for once in your life and see the world? Maybe read a book for starters rather than complaining?
Fact of life: A determined criminal with a death wish would indeed be able to threaten the arena. This security is for the paying customers inside the BUILDING, not the outside. SMG owns the building and wants all attending events and games there to be safe and secure and to be up to date with security measures. Sure, a determined person could get in, that is a fact. But also another fact is that these security measures are a line of defence against criminals without going overboard (Folks, if you're really inconvenienced by a extra 5 minutes in a line just take a look in the mirror and take a lap, it's just dumb, stop complaining about 5 minutes). This line of defence of security will prevent people from bringing drugs, firearms, and other items which can either be deemed hazardous or negatively affect the experience of good event goers inside the rink. So this security may not stop a determined person one day, but it may indeed delay it from happening or minimize the damage a determined person can inflict
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Post by lahey55 on Sept 27, 2018 1:51:46 GMT -4
To have the opinion of the Metal detectors being overkill is just plain horsesh*t. Sure you're entitled to your opinion but that opinion simply makes you look dumb. You're complaining about the extra security which is present in tens of thousands of private areanas locations around the world? It's a fact of life there, whiners. Maybe try traveling outside of Moncton or NB for once in your life and see the world? Maybe read a book for starters rather than complaining? Fact of life: A determined criminal with a death wish would indeed be able to threaten the arena. This security is for the paying customers inside the BUILDING, not the outside. SMG owns the building and wants all attending events and games there to be safe and secure and to be up to date with security measures. Sure, a determined person could get in, that is a fact. But also another fact is that these security measures are a line of defence against criminals without going overboard (Folks, if you're really inconvenienced by a extra 5 minutes in a line just take a look in the mirror and take a lap, it's just dumb, stop complaining about 5 minutes). This line of defence of security will prevent people from bringing drugs, firearms, and other items which can either be deemed hazardous or negatively affect the experience of good event goers inside the rink. So this security may not stop a determined person one day, but it may indeed delay it from happening or minimize the damage a determined person can inflict First of all calm the fuck down you have no idea who I am or where I've been. Just voicing my opinion. I don't like living in a nanny state where people get patted down because old people like you get scared of their shadow and can't go to a hockey game without pissing themselves in fear. How is a metal detector or patting people down going to stop someone with a gun or a knife? It's stupid and a bit pathetic. As I said before the entire purpose of it is to stop people bringing their own beer/liquor in to the venue. If you believe anything else you're a sucker. Hey, if they were to just admit that I might not really care (I'd still voice my opinion that it's stupid!), but the BS about security is laughable. You're going to have people line up outside like sitting ducks for security reasons? Also if anyone is bringing drugs to the game please share with the rest of us. Some of these games get boring. No one is complaining about five minutes we just think it's over kill. I literally could not care less about waiting to get in. It's about the principal of the matter. Not gonna stop me from going to games but I'll laugh at the thing every time. That said, it's not worth you almost having a heart attack over it so I'll withdraw my comment if it makes you sleep better at night. The Hospital is already over crowded without people like you taking up beds because you got mad on the internet... |
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Post by Doublesnipers on Sept 27, 2018 6:51:30 GMT -4
Never bothered posting here but I feel I have to chime in on this. The patting people down/security stuff is massive overkill lol. No need for it. As someone else said the idea that a metal detector/pat down is going to stop someone with a gun from slaughtering people is insane. Hell, if they want a giant line of people outside is a prime target I'd suspect. It just seems so over the top because I've never once not felt safe at a hockey rink in my life. Sure something could happen but it could happen anywhere. Should we allow random stop and frisk walking down Main Street? Whatever not going to make a difference to me but seeing every single person gang up on buddy was just odd. Every person I talk to (maybe younger then the crowd here) tends to agree that it's over kill. I think it has as much to do with stopping contraband liquor then it does anything else but alas. Unfortunately you hit the nail on the head with your last comment. This is as much or more so to stop Sally and Bob from bringing in snacks for their children so they buy the $12 hamburger from the five Michelin star chef. Or as you mentioned someone bringing in contraband liquor. That being said if your opinion doesn't coincide with the masses on here don't bother posting... You are instantly guilty of whining about the "latest shinny thing". Its pretty sad that those that advocate for a message board to share opinions are also the ones who jump down someone's throat when they offer their opinion. They then bitch that the boards are dead and no one is posting and wonder why... No win to offer an opinion for the other side if it doesn't jive with the all star posters! |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 27, 2018 8:00:17 GMT -4
How is a metal detector or patting people down going to stop someone with a gun or a knife? It's stupid and a bit pathetic. As I said before the entire purpose of it is to stop people bringing their own beer/liquor in to the venue. If you believe anything else you're a sucker. It's about everything. No 1 thing. The real point of it all is that if you're going to spend millions on a brand new rink and spend money on things like bar's and nice dressing room's and more food options but then argue that security is irrelevant is the dumbest fucking logic i've ever heard. And if over the life span of the arena they catch zero people trying to bring anything like a gun or knife into an event then it's a success in terms of screening people upon entry. But, seriously, asking how precautions stop things like guns or knives from entering a private facility is just plain dumb. You can't even walk into some government buildings without taking off a belt and emptying your pockets. You can't walk into a concert without having yourself checked. Why is a sporting event in Moncton any different? Just because older building through the league don't have the basic security measure your brand new building does doesn't mean you should only use the technology a new building provides to cook better burgers or provide a nicer bar or drinking area for adults. Security plays a factor and if you're just going to argue "bad people do bad things and nobody can stop that" then it's pointless even having rational discussion with people like you. |
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Post by jimmy on Sept 27, 2018 8:25:37 GMT -4
How is a metal detector or patting people down going to stop someone with a gun or a knife? It's stupid and a bit pathetic. As I said before the entire purpose of it is to stop people bringing their own beer/liquor in to the venue. If you believe anything else you're a sucker. It's about everything. No 1 thing. The real point of it all is that if you're going to spend millions on a brand new rink and spend money on things like bar's and nice dressing room's and more food options but then argue that security is irrelevant is the dumbest fucking logic i've ever heard. And if over the life span of the arena they catch zero people trying to bring anything like a gun or knife into an event then it's a success in terms of screening people upon entry. But, seriously, asking how precautions stop things like guns or knives from entering a private facility is just plain dumb. You can't even walk into some government buildings without taking off a belt and emptying your pockets. You can't walk into a concert without having yourself checked. Why is a sporting event in Moncton any different? Just because older building through the league don't have the basic security measure your brand new building does doesn't mean you should only use the technology a new building provides to cook better burgers or provide a nicer bar or drinking area for adults. Security plays a factor and if you're just going to argue "bad people do bad things and nobody can stop that" then it's pointless even having rational discussion with people like you. I can appreciate both sides on this one ... What SMG is doing is not out of line with other modern facilities they manage. There are good reasons to do so from a public safety perspective (catch the bad guys at the gate, or better yet, have them decide not to show up at all because they know security is in place), liability perspective (i.e. if something ever did happen, you can bet lawyers would be looking at them asking what they did to prevent it), and likely from a n operations perspective (like it or not, it is their building to run - they have guaranteed an annual payment to the City as I understand it, now it is up to them to make their money back and earn a profit ... and keeping outside food and drink from the building no doubt helps them to do so). All that said, it will come across as overkill to many, given that until now, we have not had to deal with it (seemingly with no major impact on safety); and given that most (but not all) other facilities in the league don't do it. It will add (hopefully minor) delays to getting in the building, which will be especially annoying to someone running late, or if forced to wait outdoors when the weather is not cooperating. It will also directly or indirectly add to the cost of attending events (the cost of the security is no doubt baked into the ticket and concession prices; and if they manage to keep outside food out more than before, people may be forced to buy more at concessions). Bottom line, there are pros and cons to the new building. IMO, the pros are obvious and overwhelming - the Avenir Centre is a game changer for the City, the Cats, and the fans. That said, some things will be a nuisance - and this is likely one of them. At least it seems parking is turning out to be better than expected  |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 27, 2018 8:57:39 GMT -4
It's about everything. No 1 thing. The real point of it all is that if you're going to spend millions on a brand new rink and spend money on things like bar's and nice dressing room's and more food options but then argue that security is irrelevant is the dumbest fucking logic i've ever heard. And if over the life span of the arena they catch zero people trying to bring anything like a gun or knife into an event then it's a success in terms of screening people upon entry. But, seriously, asking how precautions stop things like guns or knives from entering a private facility is just plain dumb. You can't even walk into some government buildings without taking off a belt and emptying your pockets. You can't walk into a concert without having yourself checked. Why is a sporting event in Moncton any different? Just because older building through the league don't have the basic security measure your brand new building does doesn't mean you should only use the technology a new building provides to cook better burgers or provide a nicer bar or drinking area for adults. Security plays a factor and if you're just going to argue "bad people do bad things and nobody can stop that" then it's pointless even having rational discussion with people like you. I can appreciate both sides on this one ... What SMG is doing is not out of line with other modern facilities they manage. There are good reasons to do so from a public safety perspective (catch the bad guys at the gate, or better yet, have them decide not to show up at all because they know security is in place), liability perspective (i.e. if something ever did happen, you can bet lawyers would be looking at them asking what they did to prevent it), and likely from a n operations perspective (like it or not, it is their building to run - they have guaranteed an annual payment to the City as I understand it, now it is up to them to make their money back and earn a profit ... and keeping outside food and drink from the building no doubt helps them to do so). All that said, it will come across as overkill to many, given that until now, we have not had to deal with it (seemingly with no major impact on safety); and given that most (but not all) other facilities in the league don't do it. It will add (hopefully minor) delays to getting in the building, which will be especially annoying to someone running late, or if forced to wait outdoors when the weather is not cooperating. It will also directly or indirectly add to the cost of attending events (the cost of the security is no doubt baked into the ticket and concession prices; and if they manage to keep outside food out more than before, people may be forced to buy more at concessions). Bottom line, there are pros and cons to the new building. IMO, the pros are obvious and overwhelming - the Avenir Centre is a game changer for the City, the Cats, and the fans. That said, some things will be a nuisance - and this is likely one of them. At least it seems parking is turning out to be better than expected I find that in our rink the security are just sitting down or standing around and mostly stationary. I'd rather they be checking bags upon entry and making sure people are being checked vs paying them to essentially do nothing but policing kids banging on the glass. I'd say in Moncton you're talking 2-3 extra people being employed for 3-4 hours per event. That's a small cost factored into a large event. It sounds like there's more money being spent on the people cooking the food in your new arena then it is for security checking people coming in the rink in all reality. |
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Post by Doublesnipers on Sept 27, 2018 9:25:51 GMT -4
It's about everything. No 1 thing. The real point of it all is that if you're going to spend millions on a brand new rink and spend money on things like bar's and nice dressing room's and more food options but then argue that security is irrelevant is the dumbest fucking logic i've ever heard. And if over the life span of the arena they catch zero people trying to bring anything like a gun or knife into an event then it's a success in terms of screening people upon entry. But, seriously, asking how precautions stop things like guns or knives from entering a private facility is just plain dumb. You can't even walk into some government buildings without taking off a belt and emptying your pockets. You can't walk into a concert without having yourself checked. Why is a sporting event in Moncton any different? Just because older building through the league don't have the basic security measure your brand new building does doesn't mean you should only use the technology a new building provides to cook better burgers or provide a nicer bar or drinking area for adults. Security plays a factor and if you're just going to argue "bad people do bad things and nobody can stop that" then it's pointless even having rational discussion with people like you. I can appreciate both sides on this one ... What SMG is doing is not out of line with other modern facilities they manage. There are good reasons to do so from a public safety perspective (catch the bad guys at the gate, or better yet, have them decide not to show up at all because they know security is in place), liability perspective (i.e. if something ever did happen, you can bet lawyers would be looking at them asking what they did to prevent it), and likely from a n operations perspective (like it or not, it is their building to run - they have guaranteed an annual payment to the City as I understand it, now it is up to them to make their money back and earn a profit ... and keeping outside food and drink from the building no doubt helps them to do so). All that said, it will come across as overkill to many, given that until now, we have not had to deal with it (seemingly with no major impact on safety); and given that most (but not all) other facilities in the league don't do it. It will add (hopefully minor) delays to getting in the building, which will be especially annoying to someone running late, or if forced to wait outdoors when the weather is not cooperating. It will also directly or indirectly add to the cost of attending events (the cost of the security is no doubt baked into the ticket and concession prices; and if they manage to keep outside food out more than before, people may be forced to buy more at concessions). Bottom line, there are pros and cons to the new building. IMO, the pros are obvious and overwhelming - the Avenir Centre is a game changer for the City, the Cats, and the fans. That said, some things will be a nuisance - and this is likely one of them. At least it seems parking is turning out to be better than expected Here is a post I can appreciate! You offered your opinion but also take the time to assertively recognize the other side of a point of view. When I ask for thoughts, I expected people to disagree with me. That is the point of an opinion and a messageboard. You didn’t aggressively attack someone for not sharing your point of view, you didn’t say they were whiners, would never be happy with anything etc etc etc. I am beyond excited for this upcoming season and the security protocol won’t change that. That being said I put up a post to offer my opinion on these changes that I don’t personally agree with or feel it goes beyond what is necessary for 34qmjhl games ( vs big events/ concerts etc). It won’t stop me from attending at all, but evidently according to some posters if I don’t like it I should just stay home. |
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Post by npsh on Sept 27, 2018 9:41:58 GMT -4
Well SMG is managing our new facility and they do indeed have the authority to set the standards and procedures on entrance security and they have. Correct me if I am wrong here but I am not aware of other venues in the Q league that has metal detection and screening upon entering QMJHL games so perhaps this is a first. I am not gonna debate the issue for and against because SMG has set their policy. It is like all other noted issues on Wildcat games( parking,concession price, security lineups etc. ), people will vote with their feet if it affects them negatively, that’s human nature. There will come a point where the downtown centre will just be tagged as it is - The Centre in that the hype and newness will wear off. It will just be the place to go to see Wildcat hockey(I am speaking for Wildcat hockey here, nothing else). I believe the attendance and STH levels will go back to traditional levels and support as it has over the past 14 yrs that we have been STH. Just my views!
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