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Post by wineguy on Dec 10, 2017 17:48:13 GMT -4
SJ is already off and running, three first and three seconds. Hell of a start to a rebuild. Trading a 1st for 3 1st and 2 2nds seems to be huge. Going to be a long winter though.
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Post by hal on Dec 10, 2017 18:01:01 GMT -4
SJ is already off and running, three first and three seconds. Hell of a start to a rebuild. Trading a 1st for 3 1st and 2 2nds seems to be huge. Going to be a long winter though. You guys should hire our Coach and GM .....he is real big on Asset Management .
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Dec 11, 2017 13:50:01 GMT -4
So, are any of the picks conditional depending on whether Veleno makes it to the NHL at 18 or 19?
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 11, 2017 15:40:43 GMT -4
So, are any of the picks conditional depending on whether Veleno makes it to the NHL at 18 or 19? I believe so. I don't see any universe where Drummondville trades all that without a guarantee that he plays for him at 18. The 19 one is a more interesting question, because I would think that if we were putting in place holders, they would be further out than 2020 picks.
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 11, 2017 17:29:35 GMT -4
So, are any of the picks conditional depending on whether Veleno makes it to the NHL at 18 or 19? I believe so. I don't see any universe where Drummondville trades all that without a guarantee that he plays for him at 18. The 19 one is a more interesting question, because I would think that if we were putting in place holders, they would be further out than 2020 picks. I don’t think Drummondville has to worry about him mkaing the NHL at 18, I don’t think they’re overly concerned about it and I doubt there is any picks involved for the 19 year old season. I think almost everyone expects him to be in the AHL.
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Post by juliansteed on Dec 11, 2017 18:05:10 GMT -4
I believe so. I don't see any universe where Drummondville trades all that without a guarantee that he plays for him at 18. The 19 one is a more interesting question, because I would think that if we were putting in place holders, they would be further out than 2020 picks. I don’t think Drummondville has to worry about him mkaing the NHL at 18, I don’t think they’re overly concerned about it and I doubt there is any picks involved for the 19 year old season. I think almost everyone expects him to be in the AHL. My guess is that the trade was made based on the assumption that his 18 year old season would be the last in the Q. If he happens to make the NHL next year the Sea Dogs probably have to give something up. If he's back for a 19 year old season, Drummondville might have to give something back to the Sea Dogs.
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Post by j3e4 on Dec 12, 2017 2:39:27 GMT -4
Love the trade and it looks the futures deal probably involving Drummondvilles pick going back to them. But if veleno does go say top 10 what team gets the draft money from the NHL? Well in a different sort of way, Drummondville's pick already did go back to them when they acquired Veleno. Their 2015 first round pick that is.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 12, 2017 9:45:19 GMT -4
So, are any of the picks conditional depending on whether Veleno makes it to the NHL at 18 or 19? I believe so. I don't see any universe where Drummondville trades all that without a guarantee that he plays for him at 18. The 19 one is a more interesting question, because I would think that if we were putting in place holders, they would be further out than 2020 picks. I can see it being with no conditions on picks. They're basically guaranteed 2 years with him already which is the reason he's worth 5 assets. If they get really fortunate he returns for a 3rd at 19 and they can trade him to get 3 assets back at this point. I don't think they're concerned about him jumping to the NHL next year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 10:07:29 GMT -4
I believe so. I don't see any universe where Drummondville trades all that without a guarantee that he plays for him at 18. The 19 one is a more interesting question, because I would think that if we were putting in place holders, they would be further out than 2020 picks. I can see it being with no conditions on picks. They're basically guaranteed 2 years with him already which is the reason he's worth 5 assets. If they get really fortunate he returns for a 3rd at 19 and they can trade him to get 3 assets back at this point. I don't think they're concerned about him jumping to the NHL next year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 10:08:37 GMT -4
Great logic ---now who will be the next Sea Dog making the news?
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Dec 12, 2017 10:42:56 GMT -4
Great logic ---now who will be the next Sea Dog making the news? I think Hardie is about the only guy left I could see us moving for any kind of serious return. Pare and D'Orio....I think we wait and trade at Xmas next year. I think their value might be higher to another team at that time. With Veleno (and possibly Hardie and anyone else gone) Pare should get lots of ice time in the second half and hopefully increase his point production. D'Orio was out for a while....might be a rough second half for him but I think other teams would likely want to see him after having handled being a team's starting goalie for a while. He hasn't really had that chance yet thanks to being injured. Anyone else we move, if anyone....I don't think there'd be much coming back our way of note.
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Post by j3e4 on Dec 16, 2017 0:09:47 GMT -4
Gatineau keeps winning. Hopefully that trend stops after the trading period.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Dec 16, 2017 0:15:07 GMT -4
Gatineau keeps winning. Hopefully that trend stops after the trading period. I don't know what Gatineau plans to do in the trade period but I doubt they sell off enough to drop into the lottery, to be honest. I expect that pick to end up at like.....#7 overall. They would have to sell a lot to drop further than that considering I expect most teams currently below them will sell off players as well. Hell they would have home ice in round one right now, and are on an amazing streak. Maybe they don't even sell off anything and if that's the case forget the lottery we will be lucky if it stays in the top 10.
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Post by j3e4 on Dec 16, 2017 0:31:36 GMT -4
Gatineau keeps winning. Hopefully that trend stops after the trading period. I don't know what Gatineau plans to do in the trade period but I doubt they sell off enough to drop into the lottery, to be honest. I expect that pick to end up at like.....#7 overall. They would have to sell a lot to drop further than that considering I expect most teams currently below them will sell off players as well. Hell they would have home ice in round one right now, and are on an amazing streak. Maybe they don't even sell off anything and if that's the case forget the lottery we will be lucky if it stays in the top 10. A lottery pick is unlikely at best. Lottery or not, the lower they end up in the standings the better. Not sure how their schedule looks the rest of the way but hopefully the 2nd half is heavy with buyers.
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Post by berner on Dec 16, 2017 9:49:47 GMT -4
I don't know what Gatineau plans to do in the trade period but I doubt they sell off enough to drop into the lottery, to be honest. I expect that pick to end up at like.....#7 overall. They would have to sell a lot to drop further than that considering I expect most teams currently below them will sell off players as well. Hell they would have home ice in round one right now, and are on an amazing streak. Maybe they don't even sell off anything and if that's the case forget the lottery we will be lucky if it stays in the top 10. A lottery pick is unlikely at best. Lottery or not, the lower they end up in the standings the better. Not sure how their schedule looks the rest of the way but hopefully the 2nd half is heavy with buyers. It’s a seller’s market - bodes well for us.
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