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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 12, 2018 13:21:27 GMT -4
Not sure the Euro draft is a sure-fire way to get an impact D. Seems more often than not euro D's are slower to have an impact than euro forwards. There's examples out there (Salda) where guys have had immediate success but more often they need a season to develop. They might be better off upgrading the D through trade. Aquiring a goal scoring forward would leave them needing to add very little up front. the best bet is an NHL drafted d-man that a team wants in NA like Tezikov. 18 or 19 and the team would help bringing him over. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Mar 12, 2018 13:37:38 GMT -4
Moncton needs to do a lot to become a contender, it goes further then just getting a top defenceman and drafting a good euro D. I’ll say. I mean if we have such a good group of forwards how come we are sitting 15th overall and likely to remain there. This up and coming playoff situation is meaningless I honestly don’t see anyway it can happen. You don’t go from full scorched earth rebuild and finishing in last place, to being a contender in 2 seasons. It just can’t be done, this wasn’t a young team that had pieces in place and bombed and added to their core. They straight up started over and last years Draft should have been the core that the next contender becomes. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 12, 2018 13:40:22 GMT -4
I’ll say. I mean if we have such a good group of forwards how come we are sitting 15th overall and likely to remain there. This up and coming playoff situation is meaningless I honestly don’t see anyway it can happen. You don’t go from full scorched earth rebuild and finishing in last place, to being a contender in 2 seasons. It just can’t be done, this wasn’t a young team that had pieces in place and bombed and added to their core. They straight up started over and last years Draft should have been the core that the next contender becomes. It can as has happened before. What was the QMJHL league final in 2013? And where did those teams finish in 2011? Make the right picks and deals and you can turn it around in 2 years from league doormat to league contender. Doesn't mean it's easy. But it's not impossible. |
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Post by bois on Mar 12, 2018 13:46:50 GMT -4
2013 final was Halifax and Baie Comeau
in 2011 Halifax were 15th and Baie Comeau 17th... neither were as bad as Moncton was the second half of last season
Moncton were a full 25 points behind the 2nd worst team in the league last year and won what 1 game the second half???
Halifax had several pieces in place already and then of course had the luxury of getting 2 superstars the following draft.... Moncton don't even have their first round own draft pick this year
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 12, 2018 13:51:51 GMT -4
2013 final was Halifax and Baie Comeau in 2011 Halifax were 15th and Baie Comeau 17th... neither were as bad as Moncton was the second half of last season Moncton were a full 25 points behind the 2nd worst team in the league last year and won what 1 game the second half??? Halifax had several pieces in place already and then of course had the luxury of getting 2 superstars the following draft.... Moncton don't even have their first round own draft pick this year But the quick turn around isn't so far fetched that it's never happened. It's rare and hard as hell but in a league where 1 player can really turn you from bottom feeder to even mid pack it can happen that in 2 years a team rebuilds to contending status from the bottom. If Moncton turns around and trades the farm to go all in next season then who knows how well they can do...I think we all doubt it ends up being successful...but stranger things have happened. There are a few odd examples of 2 year turn arounds. Very few though. They usually line up with extraordinary talents being high in the draft. |
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Post by catnut on Mar 12, 2018 13:57:31 GMT -4
Drummondville did it in only one year. They went from last overall in 2007-2008 (33 pts) to first overall and President Cup champion in 2008-2009 (112 pts).
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Post by scotiahockey on Mar 12, 2018 14:24:36 GMT -4
I honestly don’t see anyway it can happen. You don’t go from full scorched earth rebuild and finishing in last place, to being a contender in 2 seasons. It just can’t be done, this wasn’t a young team that had pieces in place and bombed and added to their core. They straight up started over and last years Draft should have been the core that the next contender becomes. It can as has happened before. What was the QMJHL league final in 2013? And where did those teams finish in 2011? Make the right picks and deals and you can turn it around in 2 years from league doormat to league contender. Doesn't mean it's easy. But it's not impossible. You can do it but those teams had a lot of pieces already in place. They were bad but they weren’t scorched earth rebuild. Abeltshauser, Lewis, Andrews, Ashley, Boudreau, Ciampini, Frk, Ryan were all members of that 2011 Mooseheads team. Chenevert, Lepage, Noreau, Verpaelst, Bussieres, Gamelin, Girard were all members of the 2011 Drakkar team. So while it can be done you need to have a good nucleus in place already, from last years Moncton team they could return Waite, Aspirot, Le Coultre, Capannelli, Cyr, McKenna and Tessier. I don’t see those 7 guys being good enough basis to build around to win the league. It takes some luck in the lottery and having a draft where the players are good enough to make an impact for it all to happen. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 12, 2018 14:34:42 GMT -4
It can as has happened before. What was the QMJHL league final in 2013? And where did those teams finish in 2011? Make the right picks and deals and you can turn it around in 2 years from league doormat to league contender. Doesn't mean it's easy. But it's not impossible. You can do it but those teams had a lot of pieces already in place. They were bad but they weren’t scorched earth rebuild. Abeltshauser, Lewis, Andrews, Ashley, Boudreau, Ciampini, Frk, Ryan were all members of that 2011 Mooseheads team. Chenevert, Lepage, Noreau, Verpaelst, Bussieres, Gamelin, Girard were all members of the 2011 Drakkar team. So while it can be done you need to have a good nucleus in place already, from last years Moncton team they could return Waite, Aspirot, Le Coultre, Capannelli, Cyr, McKenna and Tessier. I don’t see those 7 guys being good enough basis to build around to win the league. It takes some luck in the lottery and having a draft where the players are good enough to make an impact for it all to happen. All depends on what else surrounds them. Players like Pelletier and Khovanov from those early picks is a good start. You trade the farm and surround them with a good enough supporting cast and that can win a league. Would I do it? Or wager on them as a favorite? No. But strange things happen in a league where most players only have 3-4 years of eligibility. |
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Post by jordo999 on Mar 12, 2018 19:55:57 GMT -4
It can as has happened before. What was the QMJHL league final in 2013? And where did those teams finish in 2011? Make the right picks and deals and you can turn it around in 2 years from league doormat to league contender. Doesn't mean it's easy. But it's not impossible. You can do it but those teams had a lot of pieces already in place. They were bad but they weren’t scorched earth rebuild. Abeltshauser, Lewis, Andrews, Ashley, Boudreau, Ciampini, Frk, Ryan were all members of that 2011 Mooseheads team. Chenevert, Lepage, Noreau, Verpaelst, Bussieres, Gamelin, Girard were all members of the 2011 Drakkar team. So while it can be done you need to have a good nucleus in place already, from last years Moncton team they could return Waite, Aspirot, Le Coultre, Capannelli, Cyr, McKenna and Tessier. I don’t see those 7 guys being good enough basis to build around to win the league. It takes some luck in the lottery and having a draft where the players are good enough to make an impact for it all to happen. Tessier is in Val d'Or now |
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Post by scotiahockey on Mar 12, 2018 21:00:18 GMT -4
You can do it but those teams had a lot of pieces already in place. They were bad but they weren’t scorched earth rebuild. Abeltshauser, Lewis, Andrews, Ashley, Boudreau, Ciampini, Frk, Ryan were all members of that 2011 Mooseheads team. Chenevert, Lepage, Noreau, Verpaelst, Bussieres, Gamelin, Girard were all members of the 2011 Drakkar team. So while it can be done you need to have a good nucleus in place already, from last years Moncton team they could return Waite, Aspirot, Le Coultre, Capannelli, Cyr, McKenna and Tessier. I don’t see those 7 guys being good enough basis to build around to win the league. It takes some luck in the lottery and having a draft where the players are good enough to make an impact for it all to happen. Tessier is in Val d'Or now Oversight on my part, makes things even worse for the Wildcat IMO. |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 13, 2018 7:50:05 GMT -4
Not sure the Euro draft is a sure-fire way to get an impact D. Seems more often than not euro D's are slower to have an impact than euro forwards. There's examples out there (Salda) where guys have had immediate success but more often they need a season to develop. They might be better off upgrading the D through trade. Aquiring a goal scoring forward would leave them needing to add very little up front. the best bet is an NHL drafted d-man that a team wants in NA like Tezikov. 18 or 19 and the team would help bringing him over. Like Voynov ? |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 14, 2018 8:45:21 GMT -4
OK ... so we have three games left. Tonight at home vs CB (is CB already here ), then Friday night in Halifax and Saturday in Charlottetown.
We sit in 15th today which means we'd face #2 which is currently Bathurst and looking like that will be where they finish. We are at 60 pts with VD 15 pts behind us so we can't move down ... and Chic is 1 pt ahead of us ... both teams with 3 games to play.
Chic plays tonight in Quebec ... Friday and Saturday for back to back home games vs RN.
We probably have a slightly easier schedule ... but no game is ever easy for us and we can easily lose all three. If we were to manage one point and Chic managed none, we'd get 14th because of the ROW advantage that we hold.
Personally I'd rather face Rim than Bat ... Rim is a younger team and Bat is loaded to win.
I expect we'll finish 15th. No matter who we face in the playoffs the best we can hope for is one win but probably out in 4.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 14, 2018 8:47:42 GMT -4
the best bet is an NHL drafted d-man that a team wants in NA like Tezikov. 18 or 19 and the team would help bringing him over. Like Voynov ? Exactly, like him but a guy who will actually come here. |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 14, 2018 8:59:33 GMT -4
Exactly, like him but a guy who will actually come here. But that is the risk you run taking an NHL drafted guy. AHL is an option for these guys. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 14, 2018 9:04:12 GMT -4
Exactly, like him but a guy who will actually come here. But that is the risk you run taking an NHL drafted guy. AHL is an option for these guys. The key is making sure the NHL team wants the player in junior, not the AHL. The kings would not commit to AV playing here. |
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