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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 19, 2018 11:43:33 GMT -4
If only there was a coach with a proven track record of winning in the Q that still owns a house in Moncton. Danny Flynn? |
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Post by krisran on Feb 19, 2018 13:45:53 GMT -4
For me it's not the coach but if we are to look for a new coach then our GM has to go as well. He's the real problem not the coach.
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Feb 19, 2018 13:57:32 GMT -4
At this point I think they should be both worried. Like Rumble but all the blame can't fall on Shannon either.
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Post by zanov on Feb 19, 2018 19:40:41 GMT -4
At this point I think they should be both worried. Like Rumble but all the blame can't fall on Shannon either. Yeah exactly... |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Feb 19, 2018 19:58:15 GMT -4
At this point I think they should be both worried. Like Rumble but all the blame can't fall on Shannon either. Absolutely right however you should also include the real problem who sits in behind the bench. |
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Feb 19, 2018 20:10:18 GMT -4
At this point I think they should be both worried. Like Rumble but all the blame can't fall on Shannon either. Absolutely right however you should also include the real problem who sits in behind the bench. Regardless of how involved RKI is , this team shouldn't be losing games 12-5. They're something else not clicking. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 19, 2018 20:22:49 GMT -4
Absolutely right however you should also include the real problem who sits in behind the bench. Regardless of how involved RKI is , this team shouldn't be losing games 12-5. They're something else not clicking. Yeah. I 'm sure the owner meddles but there is no excuse for having a team with no clue defensively...or constantly making bad trades. |
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Post by npsh on Feb 19, 2018 21:00:09 GMT -4
Makes one wonder the extent of the owners(RKI) patience going into new facility and MC bid as it relates to the current team’s direction this season and how it played out.
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Post by Arnold Slick on Feb 19, 2018 23:42:33 GMT -4
At this point I think they should be both worried. Like Rumble but all the blame can't fall on Shannon either. Agreed. I like Rumble as well but there's just no denying that he's done a poor job this season. The handling of Bellamy was terrible. Look at what the Cats are throwing out there on a nightly basis and try to tell me that they wouldn't have been better served getting their most promising (by a wide margin) young defenceman more ice time instead. The team has been undisciplined all season long. Seems like there's a handful of dumb penalties every game and multiple occasions this season where the team has completely lost their cool. The defensive play has been abysmal. Yes, there's no doubt that they've definitely been let down by goaltending at times. Yesterday for example Grametbauer has to make a save on those first two goals. At the same time there's been WAY too many quality scoring chances given up and the Cats have been awful at 5-on-5. In fact since the weekend after the trade deadline only Saint John and Val-d'Or have a worse goal differential at 5-on-5 than Moncton. That's brutal for a team that supposedly got better during the trade period. Some of it is down to the personnel on the ice but some of it also has to fall on the man behind the bench. It's quite disturbing when the much maligned Marc-Andre Dumont is getting way more of out his squad than Rumble is at the moment. There's something not right here. It doesn't all fall on the coaching staff though... Since the turn of the calendar in 2016 the Cats have won 46 of their last 153 regular season games. Laughably bad. All that losing and while there's pieces to be a pretty good team in the next couple seasons there's far from any sort of unstoppable powerhouse on the horizon. There's not even any guarantee of having a legitimate contender when you look at how some other teams are set up for the coming seasons. Seems like it's time for some changes to be made. It's not like it would be an impossible task to get this back on the rails. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Feb 20, 2018 0:29:00 GMT -4
Regardless of how involved RKI is , this team shouldn't be losing games 12-5. They're something else not clicking. Yeah. I 'm sure the owner meddles but there is no excuse for having a team with no clue defensively...or constantly making bad trades. I agree there is no excuse for being out coached every single game, or for watching draft choices being squandered, or for deciding to both go for it this year at Christmas and the MC next year. But the truth is every single one of them things are decided and controlled by three different people and each decision has a great deal of effect on the others decisions. Ultimately RKI's decision had a detrimental effect on the other two's decisions. Yes Rumbles coaching and his failure to teach every player their role in the defense of the team is a real problem, but it's not the only one. I was speaking with an equally frustrated stranger standing next to me last game and had no sooner pointed out that Seitz never stayed back to cover for a jumping up defenseman, when Rim chipped it by the other defenseman for two on none break for a 5th goal. In February I don't blame Seitz, I blamed Rumble. It's not very often you get to point out an Midget AA mistake and have it be immediately capitalized on to illustrate a point to the guy. Now having said that I see little or no effort on any of the forwards part, except from Pelletier Kuzman and Phelan, to backcheck. That is the single biggest defensive issue. Well I guess that and the constantly jumping up defensemen when we were up on Halifax 4-0. Other teams just lay back and wait for us to beat ourselves. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 20, 2018 8:12:20 GMT -4
Yeah. I 'm sure the owner meddles but there is no excuse for having a team with no clue defensively...or constantly making bad trades. I agree there is no excuse for being out coached every single game, or for watching draft choices being squandered, or for deciding to both go for it this year at Christmas and the MC next year. But the truth is every single one of them things are decided and controlled by three different people and each decision has a great deal of effect on the others decisions. Ultimately RKI's decision had a detrimental effect on the other two's decisions. Yes Rumbles coaching and his failure to teach every player their role in the defense of the team is a real problem, but it's not the only one. I was speaking with an equally frustrated stranger standing next to me last game and had no sooner pointed out that Seitz never stayed back to cover for a jumping up defenseman, when Rim chipped it by the other defenseman for two on none break for a 5th goal. In February I don't blame Seitz, I blamed Rumble. It's not very often you get to point out an Midget AA mistake and have it be immediately capitalized on to illustrate a point to the guy. Now having said that I see little or no effort on any of the forwards part, except from Pelletier Kuzman and Phelan, to backcheck. That is the single biggest defensive issue. Well I guess that and the constantly jumping up defensemen when we were up on Halifax 4-0. Other teams just lay back and wait for us to beat ourselves. I'm sure that RKI's input can negatively impact the other two guys...HOWEVER, his view of the team is greatly influenced by what his coach and GM see. Yeah he can say we are going to host next year and need an upgrade on D, but if Shannon says player Y is only worth half what they want for him, let's look at player Z instead because the cost makes more sense...that is the lens the owner sees through. The owner is not on the road looking at every team in the Q and doesn't have a scouting report on every player... If Rumble says, I want to bench player X because he doesn't care or takes dumb penalties, I doubt RKI says, no let's keep him playing and taking dumb penalties... |
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Post by LLL on Feb 20, 2018 9:29:33 GMT -4
I will not pretend to be an expert but here are some comments and observations.
I seem to recall that when we had Flynn as a head coach there were a lot of complaints on this board that the Wildcats were playing a boring wait for your chances defensive game.
When Rumble arrived he made it clear that his teams were not going to be boring. It was going play a high tempo offensive game. And he kept his promise. I don’t recall hearing it this year but last year and certainly the previous year you could often hear someone from the bench yelling “Wheel Wheel” when a D had the puck. The D was definitely encouraged to rush the puck. There are two ways you can look at this. You can go for four guys skating up the ice and try to create a good scoring chance or you can have a forward stay back to cover up the hole on defense created by the rushing D.
What we have seen is that there are forwards who will stay back and cover, others will back check such as Pelletier but others are suddenly too tired to skate back when the D looses the puck or the play goes the other way.
This year we often see a forward trying to get behind the D when the puck is in our defensive zone waiting for a stretch pass to go on a breakaway. One name that I’ll mention is MacDonald. He does it constantly. Pelletier does it also. The way I see it is this has to be encouraged by Rumble. Otherwise they wouldn’t do it. Occasionally this works and the crowd goes crazy as a result but you are mostly playing shorthanded when this is attempted.
So, do we want a boring defensive game à la Flynn or a high risk offensive game à la Rumble. Maybe we want something in between.
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Post by jimmy on Feb 20, 2018 9:39:01 GMT -4
So, do we want a boring defensive game à la Flynn or a high risk offensive game à la Rumble. Maybe we want something in between. Is your primary goal to win, or to excite the fans? For that matter, as a fan, would you rather see your team win 3-1 or lose 8-5? |
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Post by SteveUL on Feb 20, 2018 9:41:35 GMT -4
I will not pretend to be an expert but here are some comments and observations. I seem to recall that when we had Flynn as a head coach there were a lot of complaints on this board that the Wildcats were playing a boring wait for your chances defensive game. When Rumble arrived he made it clear that his teams were not going to be boring. It was going play a high tempo offensive game. And he kept his promise. I don’t recall hearing it this year but last year and certainly the previous year you could often hear someone from the bench yelling “Wheel Wheel” when a D had the puck. The D was definitely encouraged to rush the puck. There are two ways you can look at this. You can go for four guys skating up the ice and try to create a good scoring chance or you can have a forward stay back to cover up the hole on defense created by the rushing D. What we have seen is that there are forwards who will stay back and cover, others will back check such as Pelletier but others are suddenly too tired to skate back when the D looses the puck or the play goes the other way. This year we often see a forward trying to get behind the D when the puck is in our defensive zone waiting for a stretch pass to go on a breakaway. One name that I’ll mention is MacDonald. He does it constantly. Pelletier does it also. The way I see it is this has to be encouraged by Rumble. Otherwise they wouldn’t do it. Occasionally this works and the crowd goes crazy as a result but you are mostly playing shorthanded when this is attempted. So, do we want a boring defensive game à la Flynn or a high risk offensive game à la Rumble. Maybe we want something in between. Flynn hockey is never boring when you have a contending team ... it is boring to fans of other teams (cue Bois) as they play a smothering defensive style that shuts down weaker teams. Flynn hockey is boring in rebuilding years as you try to win 2-1 every night. But losing 4-2 in a rebuilding year is better than losing 13-2. edit: I doubt Flynn would ever come back though ... he knows what he has to deal with. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 20, 2018 9:42:25 GMT -4
I will not pretend to be an expert but here are some comments and observations. I seem to recall that when we had Flynn as a head coach there were a lot of complaints on this board that the Wildcats were playing a boring wait for your chances defensive game. When Rumble arrived he made it clear that his teams were not going to be boring. It was going play a high tempo offensive game. And he kept his promise. I don’t recall hearing it this year but last year and certainly the previous year you could often hear someone from the bench yelling “Wheel Wheel” when a D had the puck. The D was definitely encouraged to rush the puck. There are two ways you can look at this. You can go for four guys skating up the ice and try to create a good scoring chance or you can have a forward stay back to cover up the hole on defense created by the rushing D. What we have seen is that there are forwards who will stay back and cover, others will back check such as Pelletier but others are suddenly too tired to skate back when the D looses the puck or the play goes the other way. This year we often see a forward trying to get behind the D when the puck is in our defensive zone waiting for a stretch pass to go on a breakaway. One name that I’ll mention is MacDonald. He does it constantly. Pelletier does it also. The way I see it is this has to be encouraged by Rumble. Otherwise they wouldn’t do it. Occasionally this works and the crowd goes crazy as a result but you are mostly playing shorthanded when this is attempted. So, do we want a boring defensive game à la Flynn or a high risk offensive game à la Rumble. Maybe we want something in between. I don't think it has to be at the extremes. You can have an up tempo game but still have a team that is defensively responsible. The best teams in Junior(and NHL) play with a lot of puck pressure in all 3 zones and guys are coming back hard. The Cats seem to have a lot of players who only skate hard one way, plus the defense overall is not very good. That is in large part to a GM that keeps trading away top 5 picks and doesn't keep young d-men around to develop. There is no secret to developing d-men...1- you have to draft them, preferably the top 2-3 rounds for guys with top 4 ability 2-you have to keep them, not trade them away at the first good offer 3-you have to play them so they develop and work with them in practice. This is not rocket science. |
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