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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 5, 2018 14:24:06 GMT -4
So who won the lottery?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 5, 2018 14:28:06 GMT -4
What an absolute train wreck this team has been. Bottomed out, scorched earth rebuild, then a year later try to make a bid for the Mem Cup and in turn, abandon the rebuild you’ve undertaken and now don’t have your 1st round pick or the Dman you should have been grooming to be the anchor of your D core at 19 when this team should have been ready to go for it. We have all lamented about the way this team has been run in the last few years. But while we don't have that lottery pick, we do have the 18th overall pick, the 20th overall pick, and the 27th overall pick ... plus 6 total picks in the top 4 rounds. And now that we aren't hosting the Memorial Cup we can actually use those to draft players. Our big problem is that Shannon is still in charge. I hope that we look to trade Le Coultre and add a new Euro through the draft with our Import pick that will be somewhere between 13th and 15th overall ... not sure of the league order of selection. But removing him means you have to replace him with another dman as well. I'd like to see us align with another contending team to make a deal next year to benefit them and that benefits us the following year. Where they are now hosting I would like to see them add a high upside Euro d-man. If that isn't possible then at least a high upside young forward. They have some pretty good picks but Shannon will trade back to the 4th and 5th round to grab a young guy from Fredericton, then an American that won't report plus a kid playing Midget C that nobody has ever head of. |
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Post by catnut on Apr 5, 2018 14:29:20 GMT -4
My crystal ball is broken. I can't read the future so we'll have to wait for the lottery to take place. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 5, 2018 14:37:12 GMT -4
Halifax gets the memorial cup That is the correct choice ... I don't think we were even in the running. I'm curious as to why you'd say that. Team performance isn't the only criteria. |
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Post by misconduct on Apr 5, 2018 14:48:04 GMT -4
That is the correct choice ... I don't think we were even in the running. I'm curious as to why you'd say that. Team performance isn't the only criteria. Halifax seems to be in the spotlight and not just in the Q. Things have been good the last few years. A memorial cup and several high end players with more in their system. Mention Halifax to anyone and they can name a few players that recently made it to the big show. I'm sure moncton was in the running for sure but Halifax deserves the memorial cup. Good management, great player development and luck having players report. Plus building upgrades and a new ice surface. |
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 5, 2018 14:50:44 GMT -4
That is the correct choice ... I don't think we were even in the running. I'm curious as to why you'd say that. Team performance isn't the only criteria. Because Halifax beats Moncton in every category. If our rink wasn't new they'd beat us in facilities ... not sure why "new" matters though. They can fit more people into their rink which allows them to beat us on the financial side also. Halifax's downtown blows Moncton's away where the festival will take place. In ten years from now after our new rink has had a chance to create development then maybe that changes or we bring it closer in line. Halifax has also hosted a World Juniors and a World Mens hockey event ... both very successful. Their experience in events like this trumps our's easily. If you stand Moncton up against Halifax or Quebec ... Moncton will always lose unless team strength is a clear win for us. We don't compare well to those two cities. Halifax hosted in 2000 ... we hosted in 2006 ... if all other things are equal then it is simply their turn again. Halifax hosted the most successful Memorial Cup to date ... tremendous attendance numbers ... while Moncton's was not well attended. Its also Halifax's 25th anniversary ... apparently anniversaries matter to people. Is that enough ? Now I'll ask you, where do you think we beat Halifax ? |
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Apr 5, 2018 15:00:04 GMT -4
Le coultre won’t be back, he hasn’t told them yet but he plans to play pro in Switzerland
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 5, 2018 15:03:28 GMT -4
I'm curious as to why you'd say that. Team performance isn't the only criteria. Because Halifax beats Moncton in every category. If our rink wasn't new they'd beat us in facilities ... not sure why "new" matters though. They can fit more people into their rink which allows them to beat us on the financial side also. Halifax's downtown blows Moncton's away where the festival will take place. In ten years from now after our new rink has had a chance to create development then maybe that changes or we bring it closer in line. Halifax has also hosted a World Juniors and a World Mens hockey event ... both very successful. Their experience in events like this trumps our's easily. If you stand Moncton up against Halifax or Quebec ... Moncton will always lose unless team strength is a clear win for us. We don't compare well to those two cities. Halifax hosted in 2000 ... we hosted in 2006 ... if all other things are equal then it is simply their turn again. Halifax hosted the most successful Memorial Cup to date ... tremendous attendance numbers ... while Moncton's was not well attended. Its also Halifax's 25th anniversary ... apparently anniversaries matter to people. Is that enough ? Now I'll ask you, where do you think we beat Halifax ? We beat Halifax in several criteria. 1 - Distance from the airport to the rink/downtown 2 - Distance from the rink to practice facility 3 - Rink sight lines (those who have sat in the upper bowl of the ScotiaBank Centre can tell you watching the game on a TV screen mounted on a wall isn't fun). As for fan experience, Moncton had a Donald K Donald produced concert planned at the UdeM Stadium. A major Canadian act who would attract close to 30000 people. Other festival events were to be held within the plaza area of the events centre. I should add the roster Moncton presented to the selection committee would be on-par with the Mooseheads. I can't say if this influenced the selection committee in any way, but they visited Moncton on a Thursday. Their visit to Halifax was the other day. Upon arriving at the airport, their flight to Halifax was cancelled. Mr Irving made a call to the Wildcats bus driver who drove them all to Halifax in the Wildcats bus to ensure they made it on time. |
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 5, 2018 15:18:55 GMT -4
Because Halifax beats Moncton in every category. If our rink wasn't new they'd beat us in facilities ... not sure why "new" matters though. They can fit more people into their rink which allows them to beat us on the financial side also. Halifax's downtown blows Moncton's away where the festival will take place. In ten years from now after our new rink has had a chance to create development then maybe that changes or we bring it closer in line. Halifax has also hosted a World Juniors and a World Mens hockey event ... both very successful. Their experience in events like this trumps our's easily. If you stand Moncton up against Halifax or Quebec ... Moncton will always lose unless team strength is a clear win for us. We don't compare well to those two cities. Halifax hosted in 2000 ... we hosted in 2006 ... if all other things are equal then it is simply their turn again. Halifax hosted the most successful Memorial Cup to date ... tremendous attendance numbers ... while Moncton's was not well attended. Its also Halifax's 25th anniversary ... apparently anniversaries matter to people. Is that enough ? Now I'll ask you, where do you think we beat Halifax ? We beat Halifax in several criteria. 1 - Distance from the airport to the rink/downtown 2 - Distance from the rink to practice facility 3 - Rink sight lines (those who have sat in the upper bowl of the ScotiaBank Centre can tell you watching the game on a TV screen mounted on a wall isn't fun). As for fan experience, Moncton had a Donald K Donald produced concert planned at the UdeM Stadium. A major Canadian act who would attract close to 30000 people. Other festival events were to be held within the plaza area of the events centre. I should add the roster Moncton presented to the selection committee would be on-par with the Mooseheads. I can't say if this influenced the selection committee in any way, but they visited Moncton on a Thursday. Their visit to Halifax was the other day. Upon arriving at the airport, their flight to Halifax was cancelled. Mr Irving made a call to the Wildcats bus driver who drove them all to Halifax in the Wildcats bus to ensure they made it on time. Really ? Those are things that you think swing it for us ? What does distance to the airport have anything to do with it ? You get picked up by bus at the airport and driven to your hotel. Who cares if it takes 10 mins or 30 mins ... once when you arrive and once when you leave. I can get many flights out of Halifax to Toronto where all teams will connect to head home ... Moncton has about 10% of the flight options, and some of them actually have to fly through Halifax. I don't care about the frills around the tournament ... concerts and displays and whatever ... either team could put those things on. Practice rink ... I have no idea where the Mooseheads practice rink is ... but again it comes down to minutes in the difference. The little problem you described with their flight being cancelled is a black mark on Moncton and its limited capabilities at its airport. But its probably best that they didn't have to get on the little cigar tube plane that flies from Halifax to Moncton and back. Thats a Moncton problem ... not a Halifax problem. I'll bet you that rink sight lines don't come into it because the committee would have never been shown that. You can see the ice surface just fine ... it is the clock that you can't see well way up. Nobody is watching the game on a TV screen ... exaggerating just makes you look desperate. |
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Post by sc74 on Apr 5, 2018 15:24:03 GMT -4
At least we were the runner ups "Home of the winners of the runner up for the 2019 Memorial Cup!" "2nd place is the first winner after 1st place" |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 5, 2018 15:27:48 GMT -4
We beat Halifax in several criteria. 1 - Distance from the airport to the rink/downtown 2 - Distance from the rink to practice facility 3 - Rink sight lines (those who have sat in the upper bowl of the ScotiaBank Centre can tell you watching the game on a TV screen mounted on a wall isn't fun). As for fan experience, Moncton had a Donald K Donald produced concert planned at the UdeM Stadium. A major Canadian act who would attract close to 30000 people. Other festival events were to be held within the plaza area of the events centre. I should add the roster Moncton presented to the selection committee would be on-par with the Mooseheads. I can't say if this influenced the selection committee in any way, but they visited Moncton on a Thursday. Their visit to Halifax was the other day. Upon arriving at the airport, their flight to Halifax was cancelled. Mr Irving made a call to the Wildcats bus driver who drove them all to Halifax in the Wildcats bus to ensure they made it on time. Really ? Those are things that you think swing it for us ? What does distance to the airport have anything to do with it ? You get picked up by bus at the airport and driven to your hotel. Who cares if it takes 10 mins or 30 mins ... once when you arrive and once when you leave. I can get many flights out of Halifax to Toronto where all teams will connect to head home ... Moncton has about 10% of the flight options, and some of them actually have to fly through Halifax. I don't care about the frills around the tournament ... concerts and displays and whatever ... either team could put those things on. Practice rink ... I have no idea where the Mooseheads practice rink is ... but again it comes down to minutes in the difference. The little problem you described with their flight being cancelled is a black mark on Moncton and its limited capabilities at its airport. But its probably best that they didn't have to get on the little cigar tube plane that flies from Halifax to Moncton and back. Thats a Moncton problem ... not a Halifax problem. That's part of the criteria used by the selection committee to make a decision. I'm not mad about Halifax winning the bid. Heck, I posted on the Moose board that Mooseheads hosting is best for the Wildcats organization. If you disagree that distance from the airport to the downtown/rink and practice facility should be excluded, feel free to forward those thoughts to the correct people. You may not care about "frills", but many people do. Great place and time to mingle with junior hockey fans from across Canada. FYI, their flight wasn't cancelled because of what you describe as limited capabilities. It was weather related. Nice try, though. |
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 5, 2018 15:28:28 GMT -4
Ask anybody in the Maritimes not from the Moncton or Halifax areas ... where would you rather go to attend the Memorial Cup Tournament if you were staying for the whole event ... Moncton or Halifax. I'll bet you that it would be a landslide for Halifax.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 5, 2018 15:34:21 GMT -4
Le coultre won’t be back, he hasn’t told them yet but he plans to play pro in Switzerland Not a big loss though I was hoping they could flip him for a pick. Can't see him getting a lot of ice time in the Swiss league, he was a #4-5 caliber guy in the Q this year, maybe as a #6-7 local guy? |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 5, 2018 15:35:51 GMT -4
Because Halifax beats Moncton in every category. If our rink wasn't new they'd beat us in facilities ... not sure why "new" matters though. They can fit more people into their rink which allows them to beat us on the financial side also. Halifax's downtown blows Moncton's away where the festival will take place. In ten years from now after our new rink has had a chance to create development then maybe that changes or we bring it closer in line. Halifax has also hosted a World Juniors and a World Mens hockey event ... both very successful. Their experience in events like this trumps our's easily. If you stand Moncton up against Halifax or Quebec ... Moncton will always lose unless team strength is a clear win for us. We don't compare well to those two cities. Halifax hosted in 2000 ... we hosted in 2006 ... if all other things are equal then it is simply their turn again. Halifax hosted the most successful Memorial Cup to date ... tremendous attendance numbers ... while Moncton's was not well attended. Its also Halifax's 25th anniversary ... apparently anniversaries matter to people. Is that enough ? Now I'll ask you, where do you think we beat Halifax ? We beat Halifax in several criteria. 1 - Distance from the airport to the rink/downtown 2 - Distance from the rink to practice facility 3 - Rink sight lines (those who have sat in the upper bowl of the ScotiaBank Centre can tell you watching the game on a TV screen mounted on a wall isn't fun). As for fan experience, Moncton had a Donald K Donald produced concert planned at the UdeM Stadium. A major Canadian act who would attract close to 30000 people. Other festival events were to be held within the plaza area of the events centre. I should add the roster Moncton presented to the selection committee would be on-par with the Mooseheads. I can't say if this influenced the selection committee in any way, but they visited Moncton on a Thursday. Their visit to Halifax was the other day. Upon arriving at the airport, their flight to Halifax was cancelled. Mr Irving made a call to the Wildcats bus driver who drove them all to Halifax in the Wildcats bus to ensure they made it on time. Distance from airport to downtown? Yeah what an equalizer that is. We should have bid if that was a big part of the criteria. |
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 5, 2018 15:36:37 GMT -4
Really ? Those are things that you think swing it for us ? What does distance to the airport have anything to do with it ? You get picked up by bus at the airport and driven to your hotel. Who cares if it takes 10 mins or 30 mins ... once when you arrive and once when you leave. I can get many flights out of Halifax to Toronto where all teams will connect to head home ... Moncton has about 10% of the flight options, and some of them actually have to fly through Halifax. I don't care about the frills around the tournament ... concerts and displays and whatever ... either team could put those things on. Practice rink ... I have no idea where the Mooseheads practice rink is ... but again it comes down to minutes in the difference. The little problem you described with their flight being cancelled is a black mark on Moncton and its limited capabilities at its airport. But its probably best that they didn't have to get on the little cigar tube plane that flies from Halifax to Moncton and back. Thats a Moncton problem ... not a Halifax problem. That's part of the criteria used by the selection committee to make a decision. I'm not mad about Halifax winning the bid. Heck, I posted on the Moose board that Mooseheads hosting is best for the Wildcats organization. If you disagree that distance from the airport to the downtown/rink and practice facility should be excluded, feel free to forward those thoughts to the correct people. You may not care about "frills", but many people do. Great place and time to mingle with junior hockey fans from across Canada. FYI, their flight wasn't cancelled because of what you describe as limited capabilities. It was weather related. Nice try, though. Well you say that our practice facilty is closer top our rink ... so where is Halifax's ? As I said I don't care about the frills ... and many do ... but as I said either team could do the exact same thing so it isn't really anything to argue about. But thats just it ... a flight was cancelled so they got stuck in Moncton and couldn't get out. There was no option of a flight later in the day ... no other carrier that could get them there. Moncton has very limited flight options ... I have to deal with them weekly. |
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