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Post by Doug Glatt on Nov 25, 2018 23:45:40 GMT -4
Could Moncton make a big trade with Halifax to load them up for the Memorial Cup? I don't know the exact value for each category, but something in this vein would make sense for both teams. Someone with a better understanding of the Moose players could chime in with their input to qualify this scenario. Moose solidify their D for their run. Sylvestre & Aspirot are one of the best D-pairs in the league + they get a game breaker in Mackenna. Moncton gets a future run. I think adding Memorial Cup experience to Moncton's roster next year along with that lottery pick player and the progression of our young guys might be the best direction for this current team.
MacKenna for McIsaac (future)
Aspirot Maher (now)
Sylvestre Groulx (future)
Barron (future)
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 25, 2018 23:57:11 GMT -4
Could Moncton make a big trade with Halifax to load them up for the Memorial Cup? I don't know the exact value for each category, but something in this vein would make sense for both teams. Someone with a better understanding of the Moose players could chime in with their input to qualify this scenario. Moose solidify their D for their run. Sylvestre & Aspirot are one of the best D-pairs in the league + they get a game breaker in Mackenna. Moncton gets a future run. I think adding Memorial Cup experience to Moncton's roster next year along with that lottery pick player and the progression of our young guys might be the best direction for this current team. MacKenna for McIsaac (future)Aspirot Maher (now)Sylvestre Groulx (future) Barron (future)There’s no chance in hell that even makes sense. Way way way more value going to Moncton as futures then Halifax receives. It would improve Halifax, not sold on Sylvestre being an upgrade on Maher though... Aspirot is better than Kyte but still 3rd on their LHS depth chart. So Halifax would marginally upgrade, while giving up 3 guys that if they dealt would bring back a multitude of 1st round picks and basically help them quickly turn around. You deal Groulx/Barron/McIsaac on their own next year and they’re going to bring back close to the equivalent of 6 1st round picks. Groulx next year brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks Barron brings back multiple 1st+other things McIsaac brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks The concept could work in theory but it most definitely would not be at that type of a discount. |
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Post by Doug Glatt on Nov 26, 2018 1:20:06 GMT -4
Could Moncton make a big trade with Halifax to load them up for the Memorial Cup? I don't know the exact value for each category, but something in this vein would make sense for both teams. Someone with a better understanding of the Moose players could chime in with their input to qualify this scenario. Moose solidify their D for their run. Sylvestre & Aspirot are one of the best D-pairs in the league + they get a game breaker in Mackenna. Moncton gets a future run. I think adding Memorial Cup experience to Moncton's roster next year along with that lottery pick player and the progression of our young guys might be the best direction for this current team. MacKenna for McIsaac (future)Aspirot Maher (now)Sylvestre Groulx (future) Barron (future)There’s no chance in hell that even makes sense. Way way way more value going to Moncton as futures then Halifax receives. It would improve Halifax, not sold on Sylvestre being an upgrade on Maher though... Aspirot is better than Kyte but still 3rd on their LHS depth chart. So Halifax would marginally upgrade, while giving up 3 guys that if they dealt would bring back a multitude of 1st round picks and basically help them quickly turn around. You deal Groulx/Barron/McIsaac on their own next year and they’re going to bring back close to the equivalent of 6 1st round picks. Groulx next year brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks Barron brings back multiple 1st+other things McIsaac brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks The concept could work in theory but it most definitely would not be at that type of a discount. What would McKenna, Aspirot & Sylvestre bring back in first round picks this year? I think in theory this kind of deal would work, like I said I don't know the values of Halifax's players. To me Moncton's players bring in close to 5 firsts. |
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Post by Doug Glatt on Nov 26, 2018 1:28:25 GMT -4
Could Moncton make a big trade with Halifax to load them up for the Memorial Cup? I don't know the exact value for each category, but something in this vein would make sense for both teams. Someone with a better understanding of the Moose players could chime in with their input to qualify this scenario. Moose solidify their D for their run. Sylvestre & Aspirot are one of the best D-pairs in the league + they get a game breaker in Mackenna. Moncton gets a future run. I think adding Memorial Cup experience to Moncton's roster next year along with that lottery pick player and the progression of our young guys might be the best direction for this current team. MacKenna for McIsaac (future)Aspirot Maher (now)Sylvestre Groulx (future) Barron (future). It would improve Halifax, not sold on Sylvestre being an upgrade on Maher though... Aspirot is better than Kyte but still 3rd on their LHS depth chart. So Halifax would marginally upgrade, while giving up 3 guys that if they dealt would bring back a multitude of 1st round picks and basically help them quickly turn around. You deal Groulx/Barron/McIsaac on their own next year and they’re going to bring back close to the equivalent of 6 1st round picks. Groulx next year brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks Barron brings back multiple 1st+other things McIsaac brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks The concept could work in theory but it most definitely would not be at that type of a discount. In 2006 Moncton traded for 1 D (Luc Bourdon) and traded their leading scorer Ian Mathieu Girard, Top 4 D JS Adam and a 1st round pick + 2 futures in Brad Marchand & Jerome Samson. So it isn't ridiculous to think that Moncton's return could be astronomical, especially with Halifax hosting the Memorial Cup (As Moncton did in 2006). |
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 26, 2018 1:55:38 GMT -4
There’s no chance in hell that even makes sense. Way way way more value going to Moncton as futures then Halifax receives. It would improve Halifax, not sold on Sylvestre being an upgrade on Maher though... Aspirot is better than Kyte but still 3rd on their LHS depth chart. So Halifax would marginally upgrade, while giving up 3 guys that if they dealt would bring back a multitude of 1st round picks and basically help them quickly turn around. You deal Groulx/Barron/McIsaac on their own next year and they’re going to bring back close to the equivalent of 6 1st round picks. Groulx next year brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks Barron brings back multiple 1st+other things McIsaac brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks The concept could work in theory but it most definitely would not be at that type of a discount. What would McKenna, Aspirot & Sylvestre bring back in first round picks this year? I think in theory this kind of deal would work, like I said I don't know the values of Halifax's players. To me Moncton's players bring in close to 5 firsts. The Halifax players values are a lot higher then Moncton’s, they’re not even really in the same ball park. Barron is probably going to be a top 10 pick in the NHL draft in 2020, he may honestly even be the #1 D in that draft and a top 5 pick. McIsaac could very well make the Canada WJC team this year, he’s right there in contention and if he doesn’t make it this season, I’d be shocked if he wasn’t there next season. Groulx will be in contention to make Team Canada next season, I’d lean towards him making it as of right now. You’re potentially looking at 3 players on Team Canada next season and a top 5 pick. That just doesn’t jive with what Halifax would get in return in this situation. |
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Post by Doug Glatt on Nov 26, 2018 7:53:00 GMT -4
What would McKenna, Aspirot & Sylvestre bring back in first round picks this year? I think in theory this kind of deal would work, like I said I don't know the values of Halifax's players. To me Moncton's players bring in close to 5 firsts. The Halifax players values are a lot higher then Moncton’s, they’re not even really in the same ball park. Barron is probably going to be a top 10 pick in the NHL draft in 2020, he may honestly even be the #1 D in that draft and a top 5 pick. McIsaac could very well make the Canada WJC team this year, he’s right there in contention and if he doesn’t make it this season, I’d be shocked if he wasn’t there next season. Groulx will be in contention to make Team Canada next season, I’d lean towards him making it as of right now. You’re potentially looking at 3 players on Team Canada next season and a top 5 pick. That just doesn’t jive with what Halifax would get in return in this situation. Ok fair enough. Like I said I didn't know the player values for the Moose, I was basically looking at B-Dates and trying to figure out who could come back next year as a future and play D for us. I still believe that Aspirot & Sylvestre could help the Moose. They are our top pairing and are very difficult to play against. McKenna is a machine and should challenge for the scoring title, that would add so much more firepower up for them as well. Don't know what a fair return should be, but I think it would be a great fit for both teams. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2018 8:06:42 GMT -4
Could Moncton make a big trade with Halifax to load them up for the Memorial Cup? I don't know the exact value for each category, but something in this vein would make sense for both teams. Someone with a better understanding of the Moose players could chime in with their input to qualify this scenario. Moose solidify their D for their run. Sylvestre & Aspirot are one of the best D-pairs in the league + they get a game breaker in Mackenna. Moncton gets a future run. I think adding Memorial Cup experience to Moncton's roster next year along with that lottery pick player and the progression of our young guys might be the best direction for this current team. MacKenna for McIsaac (future)Aspirot Maher (now)Sylvestre Groulx (future) Barron (future)I don't see any way that Moncton punts on this season or that they do it to help Halifax. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2018 8:09:01 GMT -4
Could Moncton make a big trade with Halifax to load them up for the Memorial Cup? I don't know the exact value for each category, but something in this vein would make sense for both teams. Someone with a better understanding of the Moose players could chime in with their input to qualify this scenario. Moose solidify their D for their run. Sylvestre & Aspirot are one of the best D-pairs in the league + they get a game breaker in Mackenna. Moncton gets a future run. I think adding Memorial Cup experience to Moncton's roster next year along with that lottery pick player and the progression of our young guys might be the best direction for this current team. MacKenna for McIsaac (future)Aspirot Maher (now)Sylvestre Groulx (future) Barron (future)There’s no chance in hell that even makes sense. Way way way more value going to Moncton as futures then Halifax receives. It would improve Halifax, not sold on Sylvestre being an upgrade on Maher though... Aspirot is better than Kyte but still 3rd on their LHS depth chart. So Halifax would marginally upgrade, while giving up 3 guys that if they dealt would bring back a multitude of 1st round picks and basically help them quickly turn around. You deal Groulx/Barron/McIsaac on their own next year and they’re going to bring back close to the equivalent of 6 1st round picks. Groulx next year brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks Barron brings back multiple 1st+other things McIsaac brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks The concept could work in theory but it most definitely would not be at that type of a discount. Not that Halifax wants this deal or Moncton would do it, but you can usually get more in futures than a player is worth now. Bathurst got less for the guys they sent to Halifax than they would get for them this year because they sent them as futures to help them last year. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Nov 26, 2018 8:50:11 GMT -4
Could Moncton make a big trade with Halifax to load them up for the Memorial Cup? I don't know the exact value for each category, but something in this vein would make sense for both teams. Someone with a better understanding of the Moose players could chime in with their input to qualify this scenario. Moose solidify their D for their run. Sylvestre & Aspirot are one of the best D-pairs in the league + they get a game breaker in Mackenna. Moncton gets a future run. I think adding Memorial Cup experience to Moncton's roster next year along with that lottery pick player and the progression of our young guys might be the best direction for this current team. MacKenna for McIsaac (future)Aspirot Maher (now)Sylvestre Groulx (future) Barron (future)I don't see any way that Moncton punts on this season or that they do it to help Halifax.
I agree there is almost no chance Moncton sells in any form this season. Another point is that Halifax may not be sellers next season. They are returning the core of their team and could be just as strong.
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Post by thegoaliegm on Nov 26, 2018 8:58:01 GMT -4
I don't see any way that Moncton punts on this season or that they do it to help Halifax.
I agree there is almost no chance Moncton sells in any form this season. Another point is that Halifax may not be sellers next season. They are returning the core of their team and could be just as strong.
Moncton is one of the best team in this league. They dont need to do major changes to win it all. They have to do smart moves for this year and not start a rebuild from the bottom (like SJ or Bath). You have to think of the Avenir, if you know what I mean. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 26, 2018 9:03:08 GMT -4
*is the moon almost full? Have we entered the annual week of crazy trade ideas?
Winning is a process. Moncton already has a good team and next year it may be even better contender. The smart move is see how far they get this year and let the guys develop with an eye on 2019-20 and 2020-21. Yes the junior window is small but the Moncton options are really expanded next year.
Dont sell of course and dont buy too aggressively. Just tinker.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2018 9:19:09 GMT -4
I don't see any way that Moncton punts on this season or that they do it to help Halifax.
I agree there is almost no chance Moncton sells in any form this season. Another point is that Halifax may not be sellers next season. They are returning the core of their team and could be just as strong.
I'm sure when the dust settles that Halifax's core for next year won't be nearly as strong. I think you'll see them add Dobson and they are already getting D'orio from what I heard, those players will have futures attached...guys like Barron Mcisaac and Groulx could move as futures. Plus a guy like parent right away. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Nov 26, 2018 9:50:12 GMT -4
Could Moncton make a big trade with Halifax to load them up for the Memorial Cup? I don't know the exact value for each category, but something in this vein would make sense for both teams. Someone with a better understanding of the Moose players could chime in with their input to qualify this scenario. Moose solidify their D for their run. Sylvestre & Aspirot are one of the best D-pairs in the league + they get a game breaker in Mackenna. Moncton gets a future run. I think adding Memorial Cup experience to Moncton's roster next year along with that lottery pick player and the progression of our young guys might be the best direction for this current team. MacKenna for McIsaac (future)Aspirot Maher (now)Sylvestre Groulx (future) Barron (future)What you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 26, 2018 9:54:23 GMT -4
Could Moncton make a big trade with Halifax to load them up for the Memorial Cup? I don't know the exact value for each category, but something in this vein would make sense for both teams. Someone with a better understanding of the Moose players could chime in with their input to qualify this scenario. Moose solidify their D for their run. Sylvestre & Aspirot are one of the best D-pairs in the league + they get a game breaker in Mackenna. Moncton gets a future run. I think adding Memorial Cup experience to Moncton's roster next year along with that lottery pick player and the progression of our young guys might be the best direction for this current team. MacKenna for McIsaac (future)Aspirot Maher (now)Sylvestre Groulx (future) Barron (future)There’s no chance in hell that even makes sense. Way way way more value going to Moncton as futures then Halifax receives. It would improve Halifax, not sold on Sylvestre being an upgrade on Maher though... Aspirot is better than Kyte but still 3rd on their LHS depth chart. So Halifax would marginally upgrade, while giving up 3 guys that if they dealt would bring back a multitude of 1st round picks and basically help them quickly turn around. You deal Groulx/Barron/McIsaac on their own next year and they’re going to bring back close to the equivalent of 6 1st round picks. Groulx next year brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks Barron brings back multiple 1st+other things McIsaac brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks The concept could work in theory but it most definitely would not be at that type of a discount. I'm not saying that I agree with the pieces ... but in that deal Moncton should get a discount because Halifax gets 3 players immediately, and Moncton only gets one. There has to be a fee paid for using "our" three players (Groulx, MacIsaac, Barron) until the end of the season. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 26, 2018 11:33:33 GMT -4
There’s no chance in hell that even makes sense. Way way way more value going to Moncton as futures then Halifax receives. It would improve Halifax, not sold on Sylvestre being an upgrade on Maher though... Aspirot is better than Kyte but still 3rd on their LHS depth chart. So Halifax would marginally upgrade, while giving up 3 guys that if they dealt would bring back a multitude of 1st round picks and basically help them quickly turn around. You deal Groulx/Barron/McIsaac on their own next year and they’re going to bring back close to the equivalent of 6 1st round picks. Groulx next year brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks Barron brings back multiple 1st+other things McIsaac brings back a 1st+a top prospect/other picks The concept could work in theory but it most definitely would not be at that type of a discount. Not that Halifax wants this deal or Moncton would do it, but you can usually get more in futures than a player is worth now. Bathurst got less for the guys they sent to Halifax than they would get for them this year because they sent them as futures to help them last year. We both know that what is being proposed does not bring back the return Halifax would pay, regardless of the fact futures are worth a bit more. |
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