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Post by Slap Shooter on Mar 4, 2019 11:59:19 GMT -4
I am not in the room or on the bench so I can't really give an honest opinion on whether Dixon is a good coach or a bad coach.
What I can comment on is the players provided and the play on the ice.
The team should have been much better last year before the trade deadline than the record indicated.
The end of last season and this year is pretty much what I expected. I was hoping for a few more wins than we have got so far but wasn't expecting more.
I was hoping for a little more production from some of the new young players that came in this year.
As for next year it depends on what some of the rumored future deals bring in from Baie Comeau and Drummonvile. If we get some top end 20 year olds we could be alot better but if they are average 20's then it could be another long year.
Lawrence and Burns need to add some size and strength over the summer.
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Post by direwolf on Mar 4, 2019 15:46:05 GMT -4
Next year is just going to be the same or marginally better unless we bring in reinforcements. We have 1 19y that might be worth bringing back as a 20 (2 if you count the goalie, but he doesn't count towards the 3 20). We only have one 18y worth bringing back as 19, maybe 2 if the player gets healthy. Of the current 17y there are really only two worth keeping, but one needs to be traded to make space for a new 16/17 euro. The rest, next year, are marginal 18y and a huge group of 17y and a few new 16y olds. Need some leadership on this team. Next year the line up could look something like this:
Deakin-Poot - Lawrence - Cajkovic New 20 - Burns - Prikryl/New Euro? Stairs - Drover - Plamondon White - Jacob - Macintosh/Williams?/Free Agent?/1st round pick?/
Poirier - New 20 Villeneuve - Desroches 1st or 2nd round pick - Sibley/Musico/Free Agent
Bouthillier Da Silva/Savoie
I would be surprised if this team is not middle of the pack next year.
If Jack Williams agreed to drop his scholarship to play in Saint John next season I am pretty sure he'd line up on either Stairs or Lawrence's line to take advantage of chemistry they had at South Kent when they played together. |
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Post by berner on Mar 4, 2019 15:46:40 GMT -4
I’d be willing to bet that next year at this time we won’t be sitting in 17th place. How do you figure it’ll be more of the same, when next year all our high end 16 year old rookies will be 17 with a year of experience under their belts? The reason I said that is because next year we'll be lining up 8 to 10 17y that didn't get much development this year so without any outside reinforcements (20y and 19y) we will only be marginally better. Maybe not in 17th but we'll still get peppered. Maybe I'm a little too pessimistic but I guess I expected a little more progress this season Btw what was wrong with White? Was dressed but didn't play a shift yesterday. I don’t understand what you mean by the 16s not getting much development this year. Are you kidding? They got tons of ice, and that imo is the absolute best development they could get. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Mar 4, 2019 16:22:06 GMT -4
Next year is just going to be the same or marginally better unless we bring in reinforcements. We have 1 19y that might be worth bringing back as a 20 (2 if you count the goalie, but he doesn't count towards the 3 20). We only have one 18y worth bringing back as 19, maybe 2 if the player gets healthy. Of the current 17y there are really only two worth keeping, but one needs to be traded to make space for a new 16/17 euro. The rest, next year, are marginal 18y and a huge group of 17y and a few new 16y olds. Need some leadership on this team. Next year the line up could look something like this:
Deakin-Poot - Lawrence - Cajkovic New 20 - Burns - Prikryl/New Euro? Stairs - Drover - Plamondon White - Jacob - Macintosh/Williams?/Free Agent?/1st round pick?/
Poirier - New 20 Villeneuve - Desroches 1st or 2nd round pick - Sibley/Musico/Free Agent
Bouthillier Da Silva/Savoie
I would be surprised if this team is not middle of the pack next year.
My lineup looks slightly different but it’s about the same difference, this is still going to be a really young team next season. I think they’re very likely to struggle again, they should be improved over this season but I don’t see them taking a huge jump forward into middle of the pack status like some are suggesting with a lineup this young. When the core group of 17 year olds, becomes 18 year olds, I think that’s when this team should be able to turn into a very competitive team, with them being a contender when they’re 19. Euro- Lawrence- Cajkovic Overager- Burns- Drover Plamondon- Stairs- 16 year old MacIntosh- Jacob- Belisle White, Wilson Overager- Villeneuve Poirier- DesRoches Sibley- Overager Gallant- 16 year old Bouthillier Savoie 20- 4 (1 goalie) 19- 2 18- 6 17- 10 16- 2 |
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Post by gdg25 on Mar 4, 2019 17:05:51 GMT -4
Next year the line up could look something like this:
Deakin-Poot - Lawrence - Cajkovic New 20 - Burns - Prikryl/New Euro? Stairs - Drover - Plamondon White - Jacob - Macintosh/Williams?/Free Agent?/1st round pick?/
Poirier - New 20 Villeneuve - Desroches 1st or 2nd round pick - Sibley/Musico/Free Agent
Bouthillier Da Silva/Savoie
I would be surprised if this team is not middle of the pack next year.
My lineup looks slightly different but it’s about the same difference, this is still going to be a really young team next season. I think they’re very likely to struggle again, they should be improved over this season but I don’t see them taking a huge jump forward into middle of the pack status like some are suggesting with a lineup this young. When the core group of 17 year olds, becomes 18 year olds, I think that’s when this team should be able to turn into a very competitive team, with them being a contender when they’re 19. Euro- Lawrence- Cajkovic Overager- Burns- Drover Plamondon- Stairs- 16 year old MacIntosh- Jacob- Belisle White, Wilson Overager- Villeneuve Poirier- DesRoches Sibley- Overager Gallant- 16 year old Bouthillier Savoie 20- 4 (1 goalie) 19- 2 18- 6 17- 10 16- 2 Next year is a huge year for these kids and going from 16 to 17 in your draft year and we have 6-7 kids who are looking to go high.add in stairs who’s over a ppg in junior A as a 16, Drover who played half a year and held is own in the Q, then same thing ppg guy in junior A. Having this core group grow together in their draft year they all have the same goal this team after Xmas next year will be a team to look for. Us getting a 20 from BC and Drummondville will most likely be very good players. The. Add a top 5 pick in draft this year , we could very well win the lottery and get josh Roy . But regardless we’ll get a good player in tbe draft . Then in the Euro draft will be 6overall or 9th that is a very good player as well. This team will be fine trust the process . Look at the trend we’re bad for a few years then real good for 2-3 . I’d much rather be shit for 2 and win championships |
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Post by chsb on Mar 4, 2019 19:33:51 GMT -4
My lineup looks slightly different but it’s about the same difference, this is still going to be a really young team next season. I think they’re very likely to struggle again, they should be improved over this season but I don’t see them taking a huge jump forward into middle of the pack status like some are suggesting with a lineup this young. When the core group of 17 year olds, becomes 18 year olds, I think that’s when this team should be able to turn into a very competitive team, with them being a contender when they’re 19. Euro- Lawrence- Cajkovic Overager- Burns- Drover Plamondon- Stairs- 16 year old MacIntosh- Jacob- Belisle White, Wilson Overager- Villeneuve Poirier- DesRoches Sibley- Overager Gallant- 16 year old Bouthillier Savoie 20- 4 (1 goalie) 19- 2 18- 6 17- 10 16- 2 Next year is a huge year for these kids and going from 16 to 17 in your draft year and we have 6-7 kids who are looking to go high.add in stairs who’s over a ppg in junior A as a 16, Drover who played half a year and held is own in the Q, then same thing ppg guy in junior A. Having this core group grow together in their draft year they all have the same goal this team after Xmas next year will be a team to look for. Us getting a 20 from BC and Drummondville will most likely be very good players. The. Add a top 5 pick in draft this year , we could very well win the lottery and get josh Roy . But regardless we’ll get a good player in tbe draft . Then in the Euro draft will be 6overall or 9th that is a very good player as well. This team will be fine trust the process . Look at the trend we’re bad for a few years then real good for 2-3 . I’d much rather be shit for 2 and win championships I have never seen so far the Dogs being a low ranking team for 3 years in a row as is suggested above when you include next year. A plan is good as long as the crowds do not go down significantly and I notice that they did this season. Can they afford another similar season? |
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Post by direwolf on Mar 4, 2019 20:44:18 GMT -4
Next year is a huge year for these kids and going from 16 to 17 in your draft year and we have 6-7 kids who are looking to go high.add in stairs who’s over a ppg in junior A as a 16, Drover who played half a year and held is own in the Q, then same thing ppg guy in junior A. Having this core group grow together in their draft year they all have the same goal this team after Xmas next year will be a team to look for. Us getting a 20 from BC and Drummondville will most likely be very good players. The. Add a top 5 pick in draft this year , we could very well win the lottery and get josh Roy . But regardless we’ll get a good player in tbe draft . Then in the Euro draft will be 6overall or 9th that is a very good player as well. This team will be fine trust the process . Look at the trend we’re bad for a few years then real good for 2-3 . I’d much rather be shit for 2 and win championships I have never seen so far the Dogs being a low ranking team for 3 years in a row as is suggested above when you include next year. A plan is good as long as the crowds do not go down significantly and I notice that they did this season. Can they afford another similar season? Our attendance isn't really that far off. We always drop when the team isnt doing well. But compared to when we are at our best it really doesn't seem like attendance is that much of an issue. Cited in screenshots are QMJHL team average attendance for 2010-2011, 2016-2017 & 2018-2019.    |
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Post by j3e4 on Mar 4, 2019 22:23:00 GMT -4
Next year is a huge year for these kids and going from 16 to 17 in your draft year and we have 6-7 kids who are looking to go high.add in stairs who’s over a ppg in junior A as a 16, Drover who played half a year and held is own in the Q, then same thing ppg guy in junior A. Having this core group grow together in their draft year they all have the same goal this team after Xmas next year will be a team to look for. Us getting a 20 from BC and Drummondville will most likely be very good players. The. Add a top 5 pick in draft this year , we could very well win the lottery and get josh Roy . But regardless we’ll get a good player in tbe draft . Then in the Euro draft will be 6overall or 9th that is a very good player as well. This team will be fine trust the process . Look at the trend we’re bad for a few years then real good for 2-3 . I’d much rather be shit for 2 and win championships I have never seen so far the Dogs being a low ranking team for 3 years in a row as is suggested above when you include next year. A plan is good as long as the crowds do not go down significantly and I notice that they did this season. Can they afford another similar season? Next season won't be anything like this season. They won't be contenders but they'll be a lot more competitive than they are this year. They'll likely be better than their record because, with the exception of Bathurst, the division will be tough for at least the first half. At least one of the teams ahead will likely sell at half, whereas the Sea Dogs won't have much for sale. They should fair much better against Quebec teams than they did this year. |
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Mar 5, 2019 7:26:46 GMT -4
I have never seen so far the Dogs being a low ranking team for 3 years in a row as is suggested above when you include next year. A plan is good as long as the crowds do not go down significantly and I notice that they did this season. Can they afford another similar season? Next season won't be anything like this season. They won't be contenders but they'll be a lot more competitive than they are this year. They'll likely be better than their record because, with the exception of Bathurst, the division will be tough for at least the first half. At least one of the teams ahead will likely sell at half, whereas the Sea Dogs won't have much for sale. They should fair much better against Quebec teams than they did this year. I agree, they won't end up 17 or 18th, but that will be more by default because other teams (Gat, BLB, SHA, BAT) will be further back in their rebuild. But coming back to the coach. Why would we only bring 16 skaters to CAP for a double game? WHy was White dressed, but didn't play one shift? Why, with all the ice time they have received, are our young forwards still playing like they are in midget? Why are they not playing midget? I'm a little less negative on our young D, but, same thing, with all the ice time their development should be further. I'm still hoping that they make the playoffs for the players sake. Yes, they'll be out in 4 blow outs, but it's a morale booster, after this long season. |
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Post by berner on Mar 5, 2019 8:27:11 GMT -4
Next season won't be anything like this season. They won't be contenders but they'll be a lot more competitive than they are this year. They'll likely be better than their record because, with the exception of Bathurst, the division will be tough for at least the first half. At least one of the teams ahead will likely sell at half, whereas the Sea Dogs won't have much for sale. They should fair much better against Quebec teams than they did this year. I agree, they won't end up 17 or 18th, but that will be more by default because other teams (Gat, BLB, SHA, BAT) will be further back in their rebuild. But coming back to the coach. Why would we only bring 16 skaters to CAP for a double game? WHy was White dressed, but didn't play one shift? Why, with all the ice time they have received, are our young forwards still playing like they are in midget? Why are they not playing midget? I'm a little less negative on our young D, but, same thing, with all the ice time their development should be further. I'm still hoping that they make the playoffs for the players sake. Yes, they'll be out in 4 blow outs, but it's a morale booster, after this long season. Why are our young players playing like they are? Because they’re young! Our 16 year olds have never played a season even close to this long before, let alone playing against guys that are significantly older game in and game out. I really don’t get what you’re expecting here. That’s not a comment on coaching, good or bad, I just don’t get how much more you’re expecting from our rookies at this point. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Mar 5, 2019 8:35:23 GMT -4
Next season won't be anything like this season. They won't be contenders but they'll be a lot more competitive than they are this year. They'll likely be better than their record because, with the exception of Bathurst, the division will be tough for at least the first half. At least one of the teams ahead will likely sell at half, whereas the Sea Dogs won't have much for sale. They should fair much better against Quebec teams than they did this year. I agree, they won't end up 17 or 18th, but that will be more by default because other teams (Gat, BLB, SHA, BAT) will be further back in their rebuild. But coming back to the coach. Why would we only bring 16 skaters to CAP for a double game? WHy was White dressed, but didn't play one shift? Why, with all the ice time they have received, are our young forwards still playing like they are in midget? Why are they not playing midget? I'm a little less negative on our young D, but, same thing, with all the ice time their development should be further. I'm still hoping that they make the playoffs for the players sake. Yes, they'll be out in 4 blow outs, but it's a morale booster, after this long season.
I don't think you understand how difficult it is to play in the league as a 16 YO. from my viewings the young players have made strides, but the older teams/players have upped their game as well. What were your expectations for the young players? Here is a look at some comparables for you in SJ players 16 YO seasons:
Beaulieu 49gm/10pts Huberdeau 61gm/35pts Highmore 30gm/9pts Smallman 42 gm/6pts Noel 63gm/39pts Chabot 55/22pts Joseph 30gm/11pts Dove-McFalls 52gm/10pts Green 60gm/36pts Veleno 63gm/43pts (16 YO season - 45gm/40pts)
Those are the seadog greats that played in their 16 YO season. I'll say it again, its very difficult to be successful in this league as a 16 year old playing against guys 3 and 4 years older.
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Post by direwolf on Mar 5, 2019 13:22:59 GMT -4
I agree, they won't end up 17 or 18th, but that will be more by default because other teams (Gat, BLB, SHA, BAT) will be further back in their rebuild. But coming back to the coach. Why would we only bring 16 skaters to CAP for a double game? WHy was White dressed, but didn't play one shift? Why, with all the ice time they have received, are our young forwards still playing like they are in midget? Why are they not playing midget? I'm a little less negative on our young D, but, same thing, with all the ice time their development should be further. I'm still hoping that they make the playoffs for the players sake. Yes, they'll be out in 4 blow outs, but it's a morale booster, after this long season.
I don't think you understand how difficult it is to play in the league as a 16 YO. from my viewings the young players have made strides, but the older teams/players have upped their game as well. What were your expectations for the young players? Here is a look at some comparables for you in SJ players 16 YO seasons:
Beaulieu 49gm/10pts Huberdeau 61gm/35pts Highmore 30gm/9pts Smallman 42 gm/6pts Noel 63gm/39pts Chabot 55/22pts Joseph 30gm/11pts Dove-McFalls 52gm/10pts Green 60gm/36pts Veleno 63gm/43pts (16 YO season - 45gm/40pts)
Those are the seadog greats that played in their 16 YO season. I'll say it again, its very difficult to be successful in this league as a 16 year old playing against guys 3 and 4 years older.
Also important to note that both Huberdeau and Veleno came into already good teams their rookie years and were slotted much more favorably then Lawrence, Burns. I believe both started at 3rd line. Huberdeau may have finished the season and playoffs on line 2. Veleno stayed on the 3rd and was very successful. The true comparables are the Highmore, Smallman, Noel, Chabot. They came in right after the team was scrapped and had a rough time their rookie season and were leaned on heavily. |
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Post by iraca on Mar 5, 2019 18:22:37 GMT -4
We are short players because of various injuries and illness. White was dressed but just to occupy a roster space, he was not intended to take a shift.
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Post by Slap Shooter on Mar 5, 2019 19:07:20 GMT -4
This may or may not be posted in the wrong thread but here goes.
The Saint John Sea Dogs are the only team in the @qmjhl without a short-handed goal. No Q team has gone an entire season without a SHG, ever. The league started in 1969-70. 6 games left to get one
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Mar 5, 2019 19:54:56 GMT -4
This may or may not be posted in the wrong thread but here goes. The Saint John Sea Dogs are the only team in the @qmjhl without a short-handed goal. No Q team has gone an entire season without a SHG, ever. The league started in 1969-70. 6 games left to get one Not the records you want to break lol |
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