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Post by WhiteTyAffair on May 29, 2019 4:43:06 GMT -4
Hopefully they are able to grab one of the top three guys with that pick, assuming they all report. Fingers crossed that SJ has a deal with Reynolds and they pick him with their top pick If SJ had a deal with Reynolds it would likely be late 1st/early 2nd like Lawrence and Des Roches. Would be dumb to pass on Roy unless he was going NCAA. Wouldn’t be dumb to pass on Roy if Saint John likes Robidas more. As some teams do. |
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Post by leftwinglock on May 29, 2019 14:18:57 GMT -4
Pretty Sad:
Dan Leblanc wins the prez and mem cup as head scout and assistant GM of the huskies... A team he pretty much built... 20 of 23 rostered players were drafts or signed by the team.... this team is all home grown....
and RKI has torchetti touting that all we need is a high scoring forward and a defenceman to be a winning team... Congrats to the huskies and i look forward to seeing them win another one before us lol..... let the trading and free agent desperation to fill out a team begin.....
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 29, 2019 14:54:18 GMT -4
Pretty Sad: Dan Leblanc wins the prez and mem cup as head scout and assistant GM of the huskies... A team he pretty much built... 20 of 23 rostered players were drafts or signed by the team.... this team is all home grown.... and RKI has torchetti touting that all we need is a high scoring forward and a defenceman to be a winning team... Congrats to the huskies and i look forward to seeing them win another one before us lol..... let the trading and free agent desperation to fill out a team begin..... Drafting is definitely an issue with the Cats, the numbers bear it out, but also development. How many kids did they trade away the last 5 years before they even hit their prime? Their were a bunch of them in the Q...Bellamy Duquette Fournier Boulianne Crossman. Bad drafting and poor development leads to constant trades and FA's. I would have issue if they used those kids to go all in and make a serious run(realistic chance at a championship). With the current group, I'd rather go all in this coming year then rebuild than just stand pat and finish upper mid pack... |
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Post by Briwhel on May 29, 2019 15:12:13 GMT -4
While it won't happen, i think that a sj trade for the 3rd overall pick (offering 2 of our 5 1sts in the next 2 years) would make sense for both teams (unless Moncton is particularly enamored with someone). It allows Moncton to set a date on the rebuild and start w a solid base and allows SJ to build a core of 02s and 03s.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 29, 2019 19:48:35 GMT -4
While it won't happen, i think that a sj trade for the 3rd overall pick (offering 2 of our 5 1sts in the next 2 years) would make sense for both teams (unless Moncton is particularly enamored with someone). It allows Moncton to set a date on the rebuild and start w a solid base and allows SJ to build a core of 02s and 03s. For a top 3 pick the Cats would need to get another pick in the top 7-8 plus a 1st next year. Cats can get an impact guy at #3. |
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Post by ronmac on May 29, 2019 20:02:02 GMT -4
While it won't happen, i think that a sj trade for the 3rd overall pick (offering 2 of our 5 1sts in the next 2 years) would make sense for both teams (unless Moncton is particularly enamored with someone). It allows Moncton to set a date on the rebuild and start w a solid base and allows SJ to build a core of 02s and 03s. I am sure I am not reading this right, trade SJ our 3rd overall plus 2 of our 5 first picks , and what are we get in return, this sounds like a Shannon deal? , |
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Post by Briwhel on May 29, 2019 20:09:59 GMT -4
While it won't happen, i think that a sj trade for the 3rd overall pick (offering 2 of our 5 1sts in the next 2 years) would make sense for both teams (unless Moncton is particularly enamored with someone). It allows Moncton to set a date on the rebuild and start w a solid base and allows SJ to build a core of 02s and 03s. I am sure I am not reading this right, trade SJ our 3rd overall plus 2 of our 5 first picks , and what are we get in return, this sounds like a Shannon deal? , No, sj would trade 2 1sts in this scenario (3 of 4 of the 5 could be lottery picks) |
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 30, 2019 6:39:03 GMT -4
I am sure I am not reading this right, trade SJ our 3rd overall plus 2 of our 5 first picks , and what are we get in return, this sounds like a Shannon deal? , No, sj would trade 2 1sts in this scenario (3 of 4 of the 5 could be lottery picks) Trading a #3 pick without being sure of getting a pick in the top 6-8 range makes it a bad trade. teams have gotten 1sts for going from #2 to #3 or #3 to 6-8. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 30, 2019 10:39:21 GMT -4
No, sj would trade 2 1sts in this scenario (3 of 4 of the 5 could be lottery picks) Trading a #3 pick without being sure of getting a pick in the top 6-8 range makes it a bad trade. teams have gotten 1sts for going from #2 to #3 or #3 to 6-8. Depends on your plans for the picks. If you're trying to load up and would rather turn your really good asset in a #3 overall pick into 3 lesser assets (future #1's) that you plan on using to load up so that you turn your #3 pick into say 2 veterans and a future #1 pick then that logic can make sense. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 30, 2019 14:03:31 GMT -4
Trading a #3 pick without being sure of getting a pick in the top 6-8 range makes it a bad trade. teams have gotten 1sts for going from #2 to #3 or #3 to 6-8. Depends on your plans for the picks. If you're trying to load up and would rather turn your really good asset in a #3 overall pick into 3 lesser assets (future #1's) that you plan on using to load up so that you turn your #3 pick into say 2 veterans and a future #1 pick then that logic can make sense. Turning a #3 pick into smaller assets is a Shannon thing and usually backfires. At #3 you have a good chance at an impact player, can't pass that up for smaller pieces IMO. If you are dropping 5-6 picks and getting aplayer you like almost as much plus a 1st next year THEN it can make sense. Or all the top guys won't report to your team, maybe you have to trade the #3 for a couple 1sts and a 2nd or something similar... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 30, 2019 14:09:43 GMT -4
Depends on your plans for the picks. If you're trying to load up and would rather turn your really good asset in a #3 overall pick into 3 lesser assets (future #1's) that you plan on using to load up so that you turn your #3 pick into say 2 veterans and a future #1 pick then that logic can make sense. Turning a #3 pick into smaller assets is a Shannon thing and usually backfires. At #3 you have a good chance at an impact player, can't pass that up for smaller pieces IMO. If you are dropping 5-6 picks and getting aplayer you like almost as much plus a 1st next year THEN it can make sense. Or all the top guys won't report to your team, maybe you have to trade the #3 for a couple 1sts and a 2nd or something similar... It 100% depends on the assets. You can't say whether the veterans are smaller because it's theoretical and we have no idea who they could be. At #3 your best case scenario is 1 impact player. If you take 2 great 19yr olds and a future 1st it could be a total net loss of nothing just depending on the 1 future pick that is unknown. If Moncton wanted to win a championship in 2020 then the #3 overall pick in 2019 doesn't fit into their immediate plans and might end up as a future trade chip to recoup some assets if they survive the season as a trade chip. So figuring right now to trade out from that spot to solidify the holes in the team and add a future 1st wouldn't be the worst way necessarily to utilize that pick assuming the intention to contend in 2020 before entering a rebuild. |
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Post by wild1 on May 31, 2019 7:38:34 GMT -4
Turning a #3 pick into smaller assets is a Shannon thing and usually backfires. At #3 you have a good chance at an impact player, can't pass that up for smaller pieces IMO. If you are dropping 5-6 picks and getting aplayer you like almost as much plus a 1st next year THEN it can make sense. Or all the top guys won't report to your team, maybe you have to trade the #3 for a couple 1sts and a 2nd or something similar... It 100% depends on the assets. You can't say whether the veterans are smaller because it's theoretical and we have no idea who they could be. At #3 your best case scenario is 1 impact player. If you take 2 great 19yr olds and a future 1st it could be a total net loss of nothing just depending on the 1 future pick that is unknown. If Moncton wanted to win a championship in 2020 then the #3 overall pick in 2019 doesn't fit into their immediate plans and might end up as a future trade chip to recoup some assets if they survive the season as a trade chip. So figuring right now to trade out from that spot to solidify the holes in the team and add a future 1st wouldn't be the worst way necessarily to utilize that pick assuming the intention to contend in 2020 before entering a rebuild. Any smart GM would never trade a #3 overall pick for 2 19 year olds and a future pick not knowing where it would be in the draft, the draft is the lifeline of a junior hockey team, although that idiot Robert Irving does not think so. With Torcehtti's comments recently about being a top 3 defender and top 6 forward away from being mem cup contenders, it would not surprise me at all to see the Wildcats trade their top pick this year and next for two mediocre 18-19 year olds and try to dupe the public again into believing next year is a go for it year. I know a former Wildcats front office person, won't say who, but he told me basically what I already knew that RKI runs the show and the GM and coach have to follow his lead or else, so with that as long as Irving owns this team going forward they will never win anymore than a couple rounds each year. He cannot see the big picture, just wants instant success and seems happy to have a middle of the pack team every year, instead of a couple seasons at the bottom in order to truly build a contender. Teams like Halifax, Saint John and Rouyn-Noranda understand how to build properly and still keep their team somewhat competitive even in down years. |
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Post by ronmac on May 31, 2019 12:38:03 GMT -4
It 100% depends on the assets. You can't say whether the veterans are smaller because it's theoretical and we have no idea who they could be. At #3 your best case scenario is 1 impact player. If you take 2 great 19yr olds and a future 1st it could be a total net loss of nothing just depending on the 1 future pick that is unknown. If Moncton wanted to win a championship in 2020 then the #3 overall pick in 2019 doesn't fit into their immediate plans and might end up as a future trade chip to recoup some assets if they survive the season as a trade chip. So figuring right now to trade out from that spot to solidify the holes in the team and add a future 1st wouldn't be the worst way necessarily to utilize that pick assuming the intention to contend in 2020 before entering a rebuild. Any smart GM would never trade a #3 overall pick for 2 19 year olds and a future pick not knowing where it would be in the draft, the draft is the lifeline of a junior hockey team, although that idiot Robert Irving does not think so. With Torcehtti's comments recently about being a top 3 defender and top 6 forward away from being mem cup contenders, it would not surprise me at all to see the Wildcats trade their top pick this year and next for two mediocre 18-19 year olds and try to dupe the public again into believing next year is a go for it year. I know a former Wildcats front office person, won't say who, but he told me basically what I already knew that RKI runs the show and the GM and coach have to follow his lead or else, so with that as long as Irving owns this team going forward they will never win anymore than a couple rounds each year. He cannot see the big picture, just wants instant success and seems happy to have a middle of the pack team every year, instead of a couple seasons at the bottom in order to truly build a contender. Teams like Halifax, Saint John and Rouyn-Noranda understand how to build properly and still keep their team somewhat competitive even in down years. That's what I have been saying for years now, as long as we make one or two rounds of the playoffs that a great year, I don't see any willness to go any further |
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Post by Slap Shooter on May 31, 2019 12:45:53 GMT -4
What has changed in the Wildcats approach from earlier years 2006 and 2010? Is it that they just went all in back then and sold the farm to win and now they are just doing it half assed?
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Post by wild1 on May 31, 2019 14:52:46 GMT -4
What has changed in the Wildcats approach from earlier years 2006 and 2010? Is it that they just went all in back then and sold the farm to win and now they are just doing it half assed? I think a big part of it is that other Maritime teams have won the Mem cup it has made RKI very impatient and wants to try to go for it every year, which simply does not work. This mindset he has now though and not allowing the hockey people to do their jobs, without him meddling will hamper this team for years to come. |
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