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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 11, 2020 12:56:29 GMT -4
Looking at this objectively from an outsiders point of view, I don't think the Moose intentionally set out to the miss the game, but I think it is safe to say that they were not as motivated to play it as scheduled as the Sea Dogs were, and the result was the Sea Dogs are upset that the Moose didn't do everything possible to make it. Both sides are right in a way ... would it have been POSSIBLE for the Moose to make the game? Sure ... they could have left early, as teams often do when faced with bad weather. Was it REASONABLE for the Moose to cancel? Sure - two other games in the region were cancelled that same night for the same reason. Did the Dogs have grounds to complain to the league that the Moose spoiled their party? Maybe ... but going to the media the way they did was bush league. Halifax has every right to be pissed at them. Agreed. Halifax clearly didn't have the same motivation as the home team. Which they shouldn't and won't. But I think there's some merit around not leaving earlier that may be a better long term discussion surrounding safety. And SJ should have kept the discussion in house league wise and not ran to the media as it made him come off as childish. Risking a promotion in February is always leaving it all to chance based on mother nature. If Halifax travelled Wednesday and there was a 40cm snow storm that kept all but the refs, teams, Classified, and 1200 fans from the rink then SJ still has blown that marketing budget on the 1 event that it can't recoup. We've all sat through those nights at the rink wishing we stayed home. Still kind of blows me away that the league allows this type of thing to go on in terms of leaving at 1 for a 7pm game in a city 5 hours away and not put more emphasis on teams being in cities the day before a game when at all possible. But that's a personal opinion that doesnt have much to do with this overall squabble. |
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Post by SteveUL on Feb 11, 2020 13:51:48 GMT -4
The bottom line is that it is Cam Russell's and Bobby Smith's job to keep these kids safe, and the bottom line is that it is them that decide when they drive and don't drive, and others would have input on that but not the final say. Treveor Georgie doesn't get a say in what the Mooseheads do with their team. Georgie tried to make it easier for Halifax to arrive early but they'd still be stuck with two hotel nights plus meals, plus extra days for the students away from class.
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Post by SteveUL on Feb 11, 2020 13:55:49 GMT -4
Looking at this objectively from an outsiders point of view, I don't think the Moose intentionally set out to the miss the game, but I think it is safe to say that they were not as motivated to play it as scheduled as the Sea Dogs were, and the result was the Sea Dogs are upset that the Moose didn't do everything possible to make it. Both sides are right in a way ... would it have been POSSIBLE for the Moose to make the game? Sure ... they could have left early, as teams often do when faced with bad weather. Was it REASONABLE for the Moose to cancel? Sure - two other games in the region were cancelled that same night for the same reason. Did the Dogs have grounds to complain to the league that the Moose spoiled their party? Maybe ... but going to the media the way they did was bush league. Halifax has every right to be pissed at them. Agreed. Halifax clearly didn't have the same motivation as the home team. Which they shouldn't and won't. But I think there's some merit around not leaving earlier that may be a better long term discussion surrounding safety. And SJ should have kept the discussion in house league wise and not ran to the media as it made him come off as childish. Risking a promotion in February is always leaving it all to chance based on mother nature. If Halifax travelled Wednesday and there was a 40cm snow storm that kept all but the refs, teams, Classified, and 1200 fans from the rink then SJ still has blown that marketing budget on the 1 event that it can't recoup. We've all sat through those nights at the rink wishing we stayed home. Still kind of blows me away that the league allows this type of thing to go on in terms of leaving at 1 for a 7pm game in a city 5 hours away and not put more emphasis on teams being in cities the day before a game when at all possible. But that's a personal opinion that doesnt have much to do with this overall squabble. They only left at 1:00 because the league told them to get going. They weren't planning to leave at 1:00. As far as they were concerned it was not safe to drive. Personally, I don't think anybody in Quebec should decide on whether the roads in between Halifax and Saint John are safe to drive on or not. It should simply be left to the team and the professional driver that are experiencing the conditions. |
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Post by Briwhel on Feb 11, 2020 14:05:34 GMT -4
Agreed. Halifax clearly didn't have the same motivation as the home team. Which they shouldn't and won't. But I think there's some merit around not leaving earlier that may be a better long term discussion surrounding safety. And SJ should have kept the discussion in house league wise and not ran to the media as it made him come off as childish. Risking a promotion in February is always leaving it all to chance based on mother nature. If Halifax travelled Wednesday and there was a 40cm snow storm that kept all but the refs, teams, Classified, and 1200 fans from the rink then SJ still has blown that marketing budget on the 1 event that it can't recoup. We've all sat through those nights at the rink wishing we stayed home. Still kind of blows me away that the league allows this type of thing to go on in terms of leaving at 1 for a 7pm game in a city 5 hours away and not put more emphasis on teams being in cities the day before a game when at all possible. But that's a personal opinion that doesnt have much to do with this overall squabble. They only left at 1:00 because the league told them to get going. They weren't planning to leave at 1:00. As far as they were concerned it was not safe to drive. Personally, I don't think anybody in Quebec should decide on whether the roads in between Halifax and Saint John are safe to drive on or not. It should simply be left to the team and the professional driver that are experiencing the conditions. The professional driver was ready to go. The team canceled the bus. |
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Post by crash on Feb 11, 2020 14:47:53 GMT -4
They only left at 1:00 because the league told them to get going. They weren't planning to leave at 1:00. As far as they were concerned it was not safe to drive. Personally, I don't think anybody in Quebec should decide on whether the roads in between Halifax and Saint John are safe to drive on or not. It should simply be left to the team and the professional driver that are experiencing the conditions. The professional driver was ready to go. The team canceled the bus. Not according to Cam Russell. The bus driver was not comfortable driving in Friday morning's weather. |
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Post by sheik on Feb 11, 2020 15:02:51 GMT -4
I take Halifax's word on the roads. I am sorry, that highway between Halifax and Truro is hell all winter
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Feb 11, 2020 15:19:14 GMT -4
As soon as the bus company said they were not comfortable driving in the morning I assume the Mooseheads would contact the league to let them know and it would not have been an issue.
The fact that the league ‘forced’ the Mooseheads to start travelling at 1pm when they found out they were still at home tells me:
1. The Mooseheads never informed the league
2. It wasn’t the bus company that cancelled the trip in the first place
Them cancelling the trip in Moncton can’t be challenged, but everything leading up to that just doesn’t sit right.
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Post by canbeer on Feb 11, 2020 15:58:45 GMT -4
So now it is safe for the players to travel to the arena twice and leave at 1 (which meant that they wouldn't have made it to SJ on time even if they kept driving and that part of the journey would be on a dark, icy highway)? No it wasn’t safe but it wasn’t the Moose choosing to do that... it sounds like Georgie bitching and then the league forcing the Moose was as the only reason the players were heading to the rink the second time. |
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Post by j3e4 on Feb 11, 2020 16:59:07 GMT -4
As soon as the bus company said they were not comfortable driving in the morning I assume the Mooseheads would contact the league to let them know and it would not have been an issue. The fact that the league ‘forced’ the Mooseheads to start travelling at 1pm when they found out they were still at home tells me: 1. The Mooseheads never informed the league 2. It wasn’t the bus company that cancelled the trip in the first place Them cancelling the trip in Moncton can’t be challenged, but everything leading up to that just doesn’t sit right. I'm curious how and why the league would "force" the team to travel. In the end it's their choice whether they travel or not, but it could come with repercussions had they not. I'm curious what those repercussions could have been and how the league could have justified it if it was a safety concern. If they really felt it was unsafe, what did the league threaten to do that could cause them to alter their priorities and why? Also curious if there could be a breakdown in communication from the bus company. Perhaps each team spoke to different employees who didn't fully understand the context. Maybe employee A contacted the Mooseheads to cancel that morning. Without knowing exactly how Georgie approached them and how the discussion went, maybe employee B pulls up a screen and sees the trip was cancelled. From his perspective, he might not think it matters who cancelled and just says "yeah they cancelled." Why he would give any info at all is another matter. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Feb 11, 2020 19:07:26 GMT -4
As soon as the bus company said they were not comfortable driving in the morning I assume the Mooseheads would contact the league to let them know and it would not have been an issue. The fact that the league ‘forced’ the Mooseheads to start travelling at 1pm when they found out they were still at home tells me: 1. The Mooseheads never informed the league 2. It wasn’t the bus company that cancelled the trip in the first place Them cancelling the trip in Moncton can’t be challenged, but everything leading up to that just doesn’t sit right. I'm curious how and why the league would "force" the team to travel. In the end it's their choice whether they travel or not, but it could come with repercussions had they not. I'm curious what those repercussions could have been and how the league could have justified it if it was a safety concern. If they really felt it was unsafe, what did the league threaten to do that could cause them to alter their priorities and why? Also curious if there could be a breakdown in communication from the bus company. Perhaps each team spoke to different employees who didn't fully understand the context. Maybe employee A contacted the Mooseheads to cancel that morning. Without knowing exactly how Georgie approached them and how the discussion went, maybe employee B pulls up a screen and sees the trip was cancelled. From his perspective, he might not think it matters who cancelled and just says "yeah they cancelled." Why he would give any info at all is another matter. If you booked a bus transport wouldnt it piss you off if somebody not in your organization took it upon themselves to call the bus company and were given information details about your booking? If you had a hotel reservation and the hotel gave out details about your stay to just any random person that called isnt it a little shady and in some cases against every privacy rule. Why is Georgie calling the bus company? And why is the bus company even talking to him when it's not his reservation? I can see how the bus company may be a bit confused. Did he have to disguise his voice and pretend he was someone in the Moosehead organization? |
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Post by Briwhel on Feb 13, 2020 9:31:48 GMT -4
This article only presents things that could potentially be verified and since Halifax fans want to present their hypothetical, let me present the one that I believe happened:
Sj calls Classified on Wednesday and he confirms he is traveling early to guarantee safe travel.
He calls Halifax and Russell says that they have no intention of traveling to SJ (on Wednesday). Think about it. Why would SJ immediately call the league and complain on Wednesday about Halifax leaving on Friday if their plan was to leave at 9 (which if they did, they absolutely would have made it to SJ)?
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Post by MikeC on Feb 13, 2020 19:38:11 GMT -4
This article only presents things that could potentially be verified and since Halifax fans want to present their hypothetical, let me present the one that I believe happened: Sj calls Classified on Wednesday and he confirms he is traveling early to guarantee safe travel. He calls Halifax and Russell says that they have no intention of traveling to SJ (on Wednesday). Think about it. Why would SJ immediately call the league and complain on Wednesday about Halifax leaving on Friday if their plan was to leave at 9 (which if they did, they absolutely would have made it to SJ)? Georgie starts the whole thing on Wednesday so his narrative, that the Mooseheads plan to use any amount of bad weather to avoid playing a 3in3, is the narrative everybody hears first. Now when there is any controversy at all as to whether it is safe to travel, people will think 'oh yeah, the Mooseheads just don't want to play a 3in3'. And Georgie thinks he has a better chance of recouping any losses he incurs with a canceled game by having the league (who also heard Georgie's narrative first) make the Mooseheads pay Saint John. |
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Post by L'il Boy on Feb 14, 2020 7:56:58 GMT -4
This article only presents things that could potentially be verified and since Halifax fans want to present their hypothetical, let me present the one that I believe happened: Sj calls Classified on Wednesday and he confirms he is traveling early to guarantee safe travel. He calls Halifax and Russell says that they have no intention of traveling to SJ (on Wednesday). Think about it. Why would SJ immediately call the league and complain on Wednesday about Halifax leaving on Friday if their plan was to leave at 9 (which if they did, they absolutely would have made it to SJ)? The only thing that's been verified, though, is that the league reached out to the Mooseheads, on Thursday, to make sure that they were going to travel on Friday. There's absolutely no evidence that the league "forced" the Mooseheads to travel on Friday. There's absolutely no evidence that the Mooseheads were going to use any amount of weather to not travel. All we have is a GM (Georgie) that appears to be pissed because things didn't go his way, and now is placing blame anywhere but where it should be. |
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Feb 14, 2020 9:28:31 GMT -4
So, why has there not been an official reply from the league yet? This is just feeding speculations.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2020 10:48:04 GMT -4
So, why has there not been an official reply from the league yet? This is just feeding speculations. There has been in that there's nothing to any of it in their eyes and they're doing nothing but re-scheduling the game. That's been in the media clippings already where Russell and/or Georgie were quotes this week I believe. |
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