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Post by SteveUL on Feb 14, 2020 15:42:38 GMT -4
So, why has there not been an official reply from the league yet? This is just feeding speculations. The TJ reported that the League had dropped the investigation. |
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Post by Briwhel on Feb 14, 2020 16:03:49 GMT -4
So, why has there not been an official reply from the league yet? This is just feeding speculations. The TJ reported that the League had dropped the investigation. They didn't drop it, as much as they refused to start it. |
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Post by j3e4 on Feb 14, 2020 16:52:49 GMT -4
The TJ reported that the League had dropped the investigation. They didn't drop it, as much as they refused to start it. Not sure I blame them to be honest. Even if all the verifiable, objective claims Georgie is making are true, it doesn't necessarily validate the subjective conclusions he's drawn from them. No pun intended but it would be a very slippery slope to penalize a team for not wanting to travel in poor weather. You don't want teams worrying about this in the future. Even if circumstances are different, it's still a can of worms that shouldn't be opened. Hypothetically speaking, even if they were to somehow conclude that the Mooseheads intentionally avoided the 3 on 3, it's inevitable that the way it would be perceived by many would be that the league punished a team for being concerned for players' safety. CBC for example is frequently guilty of putting these types of emotional spins on stories. Also if the league did in fact order the Mooseheads to start travelling at 1pm on the day of the storm (something I don't think they've ever publicly denied in response to Georrgie's claim) then that looks really bad on the them. It shouldn't matter what kind of dispute was going on between the 2 teams, that could be dealt with later. That shouldn't trump the safety of the team. If they made that decision based on feedback communicated to them by the bus company, it still would not be perceived favorably by many. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2020 17:42:00 GMT -4
They didn't drop it, as much as they refused to start it. Not sure I blame them to be honest. Even if all the verifiable, objective claims Georgie is making are true, it doesn't necessarily validate the subjective conclusions he's drawn from them. No pun intended but it would be a very slippery slope to penalize a team for not wanting to travel in poor weather. You don't want teams worrying about this in the future. Even if circumstances are different, it's still a can of worms that shouldn't be opened. Hypothetically speaking, even if they were to somehow conclude that the Mooseheads intentionally avoided the 3 on 3, it's inevitable that the way it would be perceived by many would be that the league punished a team for being concerned for players' safety. CBC for example is frequently guilty of putting these types of emotional spins on stories. Also if the league did in fact order the Mooseheads to start travelling at 1pm on the day of the storm (something I don't think they've ever publicly denied in response to Georrgie's claim) then that looks really bad on the them. It shouldn't matter what kind of dispute was going on between the 2 teams, that could be dealt with later. That shouldn't trump the safety of the team. If they made that decision based on feedback communicated to them by the bus company, it still would not be perceived favorably by many. I think ultimately the leagues message is this: You promote your games on your terms. You want to put a ton of effort behind a Friday in February...great. But know that risk of wintery weather disrupting your efforts isn't controllable and teams leaving 2 days ahead of schedule to accommodate your marketing is never going to fly when it's a 5-6 hour trip. Personally I feel all sides are missing a point here due to Saint John's insistence in trying to sell this as a marketing attempt gone wrong due to malice on the part of Halifax. Which is definitely worthy of a huge eye roll because it's not just that deep of a conspiracy. Reality is that every team should be pushing for their opposition to be in the same city the night before when at all possible because it just goes into delivering a better overall product to the fans wanting to see a good game. Watching teams play the 3rd game in 3 days sucks most value out of a Q game for me knowing the team really has no energy to give. Knowing a team has bus legs that should be highly preventable when considering the team they play for and how successful the franchise is doesn't sit well with me as I feel there's no reason Halifax shouldn't have been planning to go there on Thursday for a Friday game. And that's the part that is debate worthy and I agree the opposite side of it (schooling, costs) have merit but I think the product itself is actually hurt by the league not trying to enforce any standard that should lead to both teams being better prepared for a game in a league 100% dependent on ticket sales for survival. |
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Post by Doublesnipers on Feb 14, 2020 18:02:32 GMT -4
The TJ reported that the League had dropped the investigation. They didn't drop it, as much as they refused to start it. You may be even more bitter than Georgie, the two of you can share a soother christ. It’s a Q game in the middle of February in Canada.. Two other games in the same league were cancelled the same night but their GM didn’t become a professional Magnum PI in the days leading up to the game. This stuff happens and is to be expected. I’m sorry for your fans that it was set to be the best potential attendance of the season with an “all star” rapper performing but get the hell over it. If this game cripples the Saint John franchise because fans will now redeem for a Moncton game or another instead of seeing Halifax on a Friday then your city doesn’t deserve to keep their team... fickle fickle. Maybe the problem for attendance is Georgie and not one random Marketed game in February 2020... And I’m not even a Moose fan, I don’t give a shit either way, this whole non saga is foolish. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2020 18:10:12 GMT -4
They didn't drop it, as much as they refused to start it. You may be even more bitter than Georgie, the two of you can share a soother christ. It’s a Q game in the middle of February in Canada.. Two other games in the same league were cancelled the same night but their GM didn’t become a professional Magnum PI in the days leading up to the game. This stuff happens and is to be expected. I’m sorry for your fans that it was set to be the best potential attendance of the season with an “all star” rapper performing but get the hell over it. If this game cripples the Saint John franchise because fans will now redeem for a Moncton game or another instead of seeing Halifax on a Friday then your city doesn’t deserve to keep their team... fickle fickle. Maybe the problem for attendance is Georgie and not one random Marketed game in February 2020... And I’m not even a Moose fan, I don’t give a shit either way, this whole non saga is foolish. Part of me always thought the bigger story was an extra few thousand non-hockey fans willing to pay $15 to see a concert at a hockey game. I've been watching for "outside the box" marketing. If it was THAT successful...why not keep trying it? Classified isn't the only highly touted musician in the region. Arguably if this sold so well they should be looking to do 4-5 of these next season to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. 1500 people at a Classified show might be a break even event. 2800 hockey fans at a Sea Dogs game might be a break even event. 5000 people willing to pay to see both might be a money making venture for both and worth taking a harder look into. Cancelled or not there's information to take from how successful the lead up was to that game/concert co-promotion. |
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Post by berner on Feb 14, 2020 18:14:39 GMT -4
They didn't drop it, as much as they refused to start it. You may be even more bitter than Georgie, the two of you can share a soother christ. It’s a Q game in the middle of February in Canada.. Two other games in the same league were cancelled the same night but their GM didn’t become a professional Magnum PI in the days leading up to the game. This stuff happens and is to be expected. I’m sorry for your fans that it was set to be the best potential attendance of the season with an “all star” rapper performing but get the hell over it. If this game cripples the Saint John franchise because fans will now redeem for a Moncton game or another instead of seeing Halifax on a Friday then your city doesn’t deserve to keep their team... fickle fickle. Maybe the problem for attendance is Georgie and not one random Marketed game in February 2020... And I’m not even a Moose fan, I don’t give a shit either way, this whole non saga is foolish. I don’t think any of us do. No one’s talking about crippling the franchise except you. Much ado about absolutely nothing. Close thread. |
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Post by canbeer on Feb 14, 2020 18:21:46 GMT -4
Not sure I blame them to be honest. Even if all the verifiable, objective claims Georgie is making are true, it doesn't necessarily validate the subjective conclusions he's drawn from them. No pun intended but it would be a very slippery slope to penalize a team for not wanting to travel in poor weather. You don't want teams worrying about this in the future. Even if circumstances are different, it's still a can of worms that shouldn't be opened. Hypothetically speaking, even if they were to somehow conclude that the Mooseheads intentionally avoided the 3 on 3, it's inevitable that the way it would be perceived by many would be that the league punished a team for being concerned for players' safety. CBC for example is frequently guilty of putting these types of emotional spins on stories. Also if the league did in fact order the Mooseheads to start travelling at 1pm on the day of the storm (something I don't think they've ever publicly denied in response to Georrgie's claim) then that looks really bad on the them. It shouldn't matter what kind of dispute was going on between the 2 teams, that could be dealt with later. That shouldn't trump the safety of the team. If they made that decision based on feedback communicated to them by the bus company, it still would not be perceived favorably by many. I think ultimately the leagues message is this: You promote your games on your terms. You want to put a ton of effort behind a Friday in February...great. But know that risk of wintery weather disrupting your efforts isn't controllable and teams leaving 2 days ahead of schedule to accommodate your marketing is never going to fly when it's a 5-6 hour trip. Personally I feel all sides are missing a point here due to Saint John's insistence in trying to sell this as a marketing attempt gone wrong due to malice on the part of Halifax. Which is definitely worthy of a huge eye roll because it's not just that deep of a conspiracy. Reality is that every team should be pushing for their opposition to be in the same city the night before when at all possible because it just goes into delivering a better overall product to the fans wanting to see a good game. Watching teams play the 3rd game in 3 days sucks most value out of a Q game for me knowing the team really has no energy to give. Knowing a team has bus legs that should be highly preventable when considering the team they play for and how successful the franchise is doesn't sit well with me as I feel there's no reason Halifax shouldn't have been planning to go there on Thursday for a Friday game. And that's the part that is debate worthy and I agree the opposite side of it (schooling, costs) have merit but I think the product itself is actually hurt by the league not trying to enforce any standard that should lead to both teams being better prepared for a game in a league 100% dependent on ticket sales for survival. But the league can’t look at Halifax differently than say Bathurst... imagine telling Bathurst or several of the league’s teams that they need to cover and extra 15-20 or so hotel/road days. And Halifax already said they considered going Thursday. They spoke with DOT Wednesday night the again Thursday morning and the consensus sounded like it was wait until Friday. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2020 18:24:12 GMT -4
I don’t think any of us do. No one’s talking about crippling the franchise except you. Much ado about absolutely nothing. Close thread. [/quote] There was definitely a "poor us" tone behind Georgie's complaining and the way he did it. |
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Post by j3e4 on Feb 14, 2020 18:26:49 GMT -4
You may be even more bitter than Georgie, the two of you can share a soother christ. It’s a Q game in the middle of February in Canada.. Two other games in the same league were cancelled the same night but their GM didn’t become a professional Magnum PI in the days leading up to the game. This stuff happens and is to be expected. I’m sorry for your fans that it was set to be the best potential attendance of the season with an “all star” rapper performing but get the hell over it. If this game cripples the Saint John franchise because fans will now redeem for a Moncton game or another instead of seeing Halifax on a Friday then your city doesn’t deserve to keep their team... fickle fickle. Maybe the problem for attendance is Georgie and not one random Marketed game in February 2020... And I’m not even a Moose fan, I don’t give a shit either way, this whole non saga is foolish. Part of me always thought the bigger story was an extra few thousand non-hockey fans willing to pay $15 to see a concert at a hockey game. I've been watching for "outside the box" marketing. If it was THAT successful...why not keep trying it? Classified isn't the only highly touted musician in the region. Arguably if this sold so well they should be looking to do 4-5 of these next season to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. 1500 people at a Classified show might be a break even event. 2800 hockey fans at a Sea Dogs game might be a break even event. 5000 people willing to pay to see both might be a money making venture for both and worth taking a harder look into. Cancelled or not there's information to take from how successful the lead up was to that game/concert co-promotion. My thoughts exactly. Been trying to think what other acts could be brought in at a similar cost for a similar return. Even the local cover bands of much more successful bands have pretty decent followings. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2020 18:27:10 GMT -4
I think ultimately the leagues message is this: You promote your games on your terms. You want to put a ton of effort behind a Friday in February...great. But know that risk of wintery weather disrupting your efforts isn't controllable and teams leaving 2 days ahead of schedule to accommodate your marketing is never going to fly when it's a 5-6 hour trip. Personally I feel all sides are missing a point here due to Saint John's insistence in trying to sell this as a marketing attempt gone wrong due to malice on the part of Halifax. Which is definitely worthy of a huge eye roll because it's not just that deep of a conspiracy. Reality is that every team should be pushing for their opposition to be in the same city the night before when at all possible because it just goes into delivering a better overall product to the fans wanting to see a good game. Watching teams play the 3rd game in 3 days sucks most value out of a Q game for me knowing the team really has no energy to give. Knowing a team has bus legs that should be highly preventable when considering the team they play for and how successful the franchise is doesn't sit well with me as I feel there's no reason Halifax shouldn't have been planning to go there on Thursday for a Friday game. And that's the part that is debate worthy and I agree the opposite side of it (schooling, costs) have merit but I think the product itself is actually hurt by the league not trying to enforce any standard that should lead to both teams being better prepared for a game in a league 100% dependent on ticket sales for survival. But the league can’t look at Halifax differently than say Bathurst... imagine telling Bathurst or several of the league’s teams that they need to cover and extra 15-20 or so hotel/road days. And Halifax already said they considered going Thursday. They spoke with DOT Wednesday night the again Thursday morning and the consensus sounded like it was wait until Friday. And that's why I said the other side has merit as you can't treat every team by their budget and market size. There needs to be consistency. Considering in this case the weather spread across 2 days...Saint John not looking into other plans on the Thursday is as much to blame as Halifax not travelling before Friday. They absolutely knew leading up that there was a chance their plan was going to go sideways. But it wasn't Halifax's plan...they were just playing a game. Saint John's management should have been more on the ball the entire week of letting their crowd know what the outcome may be if a Halifax can't make it into town. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2020 18:34:29 GMT -4
Part of me always thought the bigger story was an extra few thousand non-hockey fans willing to pay $15 to see a concert at a hockey game. I've been watching for "outside the box" marketing. If it was THAT successful...why not keep trying it? Classified isn't the only highly touted musician in the region. Arguably if this sold so well they should be looking to do 4-5 of these next season to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. 1500 people at a Classified show might be a break even event. 2800 hockey fans at a Sea Dogs game might be a break even event. 5000 people willing to pay to see both might be a money making venture for both and worth taking a harder look into. Cancelled or not there's information to take from how successful the lead up was to that game/concert co-promotion. My thoughts exactly. Been trying to think what other acts could be brought in at a similar cost for a similar return. Even the local cover bands of much more successful bands have pretty decent followings. You'd have the chance to appeal to many genre's and demographics if you do it right. Just Nova Scotia based that I know of you can do a pop music night with a Ria Mae....The Trews or Myles Goodwyn/April Wine for a Rock/70's kind of night...Classified for the rap folks...and fit in a country act. And like you said every city has their hidden gems that people enjoy hearing who do covers that appeal to wider audiences. There's something worth taking away from it beyond the big bad Moosheads refusing to drive in the snow lol |
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Post by j3e4 on Feb 14, 2020 19:24:49 GMT -4
You may be even more bitter than Georgie, the two of you can share a soother christ. It’s a Q game in the middle of February in Canada.. Two other games in the same league were cancelled the same night but their GM didn’t become a professional Magnum PI in the days leading up to the game. This stuff happens and is to be expected. I’m sorry for your fans that it was set to be the best potential attendance of the season with an “all star” rapper performing but get the hell over it. If this game cripples the Saint John franchise because fans will now redeem for a Moncton game or another instead of seeing Halifax on a Friday then your city doesn’t deserve to keep their team... fickle fickle. Maybe the problem for attendance is Georgie and not one random Marketed game in February 2020... And I’m not even a Moose fan, I don’t give a shit either way, this whole non saga is foolish. I don’t think any of us do. No one’s talking about crippling the franchise except you. Much ado about absolutely nothing. Close thread. Yeah I'd say it's more of a missed opportunity than a devastating blow to the franchise. Every team can, should, and I have to assume is looking for ways to improve attendance, among other things. |
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Post by sheik on Feb 16, 2020 12:58:46 GMT -4
Georgie is a whiney little girl when things dont go as planned.The sooner he is gone, the sooner some fans return
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Post by berner on Feb 16, 2020 15:57:10 GMT -4
Georgie is a whiney little girl when things dont go as planned.The sooner he is gone, the sooner some fans return Really seems there’s some sort of jealousy thing going on here with you and the GM. If you’re the type of fan that will return when Georgie is gone, I guess we should all enjoy the current building atmosphere while we can. |
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