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Post by El Guapo }~ on Jun 3, 2020 11:15:25 GMT -4
I think you will see Spence and Pelletier bring in some 1st round picks.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2020 11:28:18 GMT -4
Wow. This is brutal. The Anderson McDonald trade just keeps on giving. We just gave up 2 picks that we desperately need wth nothing in return. The MacDonald trade is a microcosm of the WC failures since 2010. You can lump in the Danault trade in there too. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2020 11:32:09 GMT -4
I think you will see Spence and Pelletier bring in some 1st round picks. I agree, it's just hard to rebuild minus that many key picks. It's normal for a team loading up to trade their 2020 and 2021 1sts but the 2022 really hurts. Plus all the 2nds. The BC trade doesn't work, has to be the WC 2022 2nd as the 2021 2nd went to Drum in the Rodrigue deal. |
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Post by hockey1981 on Jun 3, 2020 11:34:51 GMT -4
I think you will see Spence and Pelletier bring in some 1st round picks. I agree, it's just hard to rebuild minus that many key picks. It's normal for a team loading up to trade their 2020 and 2021 1sts but the 2022 really hurts. Plus all the 2nds. The BC trade doesn't work, has to be the WC 2022 2nd as the 2021 2nd went to Drum in the Rodrigue deal. I think the 21 2nd was a conditional pick in Rodrigue deal. Must have been returned. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2020 11:39:52 GMT -4
I agree, it's just hard to rebuild minus that many key picks. It's normal for a team loading up to trade their 2020 and 2021 1sts but the 2022 really hurts. Plus all the 2nds. The BC trade doesn't work, has to be the WC 2022 2nd as the 2021 2nd went to Drum in the Rodrigue deal. I think the 21 2nd was a conditional pick in Rodrigue deal. Must have been returned. Was it not you that said the Fortier deal was Hebert plus 3 2nds? Right now BC has Hebert 2nd 2nd 3rd and 4th |
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Post by joehockey on Jun 3, 2020 11:44:13 GMT -4
Updated picks... Picks updated until today... 2020 3rd 3rd(Bat) 4th 8th 9th 10th 10th(Hal) 11th 12th 12th(Cha) 13th 14th 2021 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 2022 4th 6th 7th 8th 9th 11th 12th 13th 14th Updated to June 3rd. Mighty ugly, no 1st or 2nd for 3 years. I don’t expect either Pelletier or Spence to be traded today so the draft will likely be boring. It sucks that there was no pay off for Moncton Emptying the cupboards. Maybe I completely missed it, but had there been any word on whether LaCroix is coming back? |
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Post by hockey1981 on Jun 3, 2020 11:45:08 GMT -4
I think the 21 2nd was a conditional pick in Rodrigue deal. Must have been returned. Was it not you that said the Fortier deal was Hebert plus 3 2nds? Right now BC has Hebert 2nd 2nd 3rd and 4th Yup. Worst the expected Fortier - 3 2nds, 3rd, 4th and Hebert. Cats don’t have the 12th CHA pick. Was returned since player never played with CHA. |
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Post by catzfans on Jun 3, 2020 11:48:37 GMT -4
This rebuild will be a tough one we are missing good picks and and really don't have many assets to sell off to get picks after Pelletier and Spence.
We need to get as much as possible for Pelletier and Spence and we need to nail both our Import Picks. They should be doing everything they can to get a guy like Hillier to report.
Without having a Memorial Cup or President's Cup to show for it certainly makes this sting.
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Post by lirette on Jun 3, 2020 11:49:37 GMT -4
Brutal
With the amount of unknowns of the 2020-21 season I am starting to think the Cats should move Pelletier & Spence before the draft even if its for a discount compared to mid-season for 1st & 2nd round picks this year & next year. 3 picks in the first 8 rounds of the draft is awful.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 3, 2020 11:49:39 GMT -4
Updated picks... Picks updated until today... 2020 3rd 3rd(Bat) 4th 8th 9th 10th 10th(Hal) 11th 12th 12th(Cha) 13th 14th 2021 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 2022 4th 6th 7th 8th 9th 11th 12th 13th 14th Updated to June 3rd. Mighty ugly, no 1st or 2nd for 3 years. I don’t expect either Pelletier or Spence to be traded today so the draft will likely be boring. It sucks that there was no pay off for Moncton Emptying the cupboards. Maybe I completely missed it, but had there been any word on whether LaCroix is coming back? No confirmation yet on Lacroix ... based on the depth chart, have to think signing up to coach this team the next 2 or 3 seasons would not be a great career move. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2020 11:52:47 GMT -4
Updated picks... Picks updated until today... 2020 3rd 3rd(Bat) 4th 8th 9th 10th 10th(Hal) 11th 12th 12th(Cha) 13th 14th 2021 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 2022 4th 6th 7th 8th 9th 11th 12th 13th 14th Updated to June 3rd. Mighty ugly, no 1st or 2nd for 3 years. I don’t expect either Pelletier or Spence to be traded today so the draft will likely be boring. It sucks that there was no pay off for Moncton Emptying the cupboards. Maybe I completely missed it, but had there been any word on whether LaCroix is coming back? I don't mind not having 2020 picks, that's pretty normal for "going for it" teams. What I dislike is the 2021 and 2022 picks also being gone. That's where poor asset management for most of the 2010's really hurts. Trading away picks and young players when the team is clearly not a contender. In terms of assets they are in a worst spot than 4 years ago when they did the "scorched earth" rebuild. I was hoping taht was a turning point, but not likely. |
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Post by catzfans on Jun 3, 2020 12:12:46 GMT -4
I don’t expect either Pelletier or Spence to be traded today so the draft will likely be boring. It sucks that there was no pay off for Moncton Emptying the cupboards. Maybe I completely missed it, but had there been any word on whether LaCroix is coming back? I don't mind not having 2020 picks, that's pretty normal for "going for it" teams. What I dislike is the 2021 and 2022 picks also being gone. That's where poor asset management for most of the 2010's really hurts. Trading away picks and young players when the team is clearly not a contender. In terms of assets they are in a worst spot than 4 years ago when they did the "scorched earth" rebuild. I was hoping taht was a turning point, but not likely. After that draft 4 years ago I was actually quite happy with the position we were in. We had landed Pelletier and Bellamy and had 2 firsts the following year. But then a few weeks later for some reason we abandoned what we were doing and traded everything for Anderson MacDonald. I don't mean to pick on him, because it doesn't really matter who the player was but we emptied our cupboards while rebuilding so we weren't going for it that year and we didn't have any picks to build with the following year. And sure enough we are still paying for that trade today. |
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Post by chootoi on Jun 3, 2020 12:53:14 GMT -4
Maybe this is just becoming the new norm - the insane cost of buying a championship. There are 2 ways to do this: Spend deep 2-3 years into the future, or stockpile assets in advance to use as currency. We are seeing both approaches play out.
Bathurst spent deep into 2020 for their 2018 run, and Rouyn and Drummondville both spent deep into 2021 for their runs in 2019. Now the Cats are spending deep into 2022 for their 2020 run. You could argue that Chicoutimi paid even more than the Wildcats to contend this year, the difference being they had a stockpile of picks before hand to use as currency. Gatineau and Saint John both appear to be taking stockpile first, spend later approach as well.
Unfortunately It's really only the one team at the end with the trophy that can say we did it right. This year we don't have that.
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Post by lirette on Jun 3, 2020 12:56:59 GMT -4
Maybe this is just becoming the new norm - the insane cost of buying a championship. There are 2 ways to do this: Spend deep 2-3 years into the future, or stockpile assets in advance to use as currency. We are seeing both approaches play out. Bathurst spent deep into 2020 for their 2018 run, and Rouyn and Drummondville both spent deep into 2021 for their runs in 2019. Now the Cats are spending deep into 2022 for their 2020 run. You could argue that Chicoutimi paid even more than the Wildcats to contend this year, the difference being they had a stockpile of picks before hand to use as currency. Gatineau and Saint John both appear to be taking stockpile first, spend later approach as well. It does seem to be the new norm. We certainly see the evidence at the Memorial Cup. I would be all for a league with more parity in the future, where it would actually feel like half the teams in the league have a shot in the playoffs. I'm not sure what the solution is though. I don't want to see rules that lead to teams trading 25 draft picks going back 6 years. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2020 12:58:38 GMT -4
I don't mind not having 2020 picks, that's pretty normal for "going for it" teams. What I dislike is the 2021 and 2022 picks also being gone. That's where poor asset management for most of the 2010's really hurts. Trading away picks and young players when the team is clearly not a contender. In terms of assets they are in a worst spot than 4 years ago when they did the "scorched earth" rebuild. I was hoping taht was a turning point, but not likely. After that draft 4 years ago I was actually quite happy with the position we were in. We had landed Pelletier and Bellamy and had 2 firsts the following year. But then a few weeks later for some reason we abandoned what we were doing and traded everything for Anderson MacDonald. I don't mean to pick on him, because it doesn't really matter who the player was but we emptied our cupboards while rebuilding so we weren't going for it that year and we didn't have any picks to build with the following year. And sure enough we are still paying for that trade today. Yeah the MacDonald and Bellamy moves had a big impact on the cost of going for it in 2020. there were also a lot of picks wasted on non contending teams in 17-18 and 18-19. The issue with Bellamy was Rumble playing mediocre 18 and 19 year olds and he was in the stands which forced a trade. |
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