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Post by SteveUL on May 13, 2020 8:35:07 GMT -4
I think if the season was to get wiped out, I think they would do a lottery. Can you imagine how hard it would be to scout for a 2021 draft if the season was wiped out (I mean Midget AAA season specifically - Quebec is talking about it ...)? You would be relying on what kids looked like in bantam this year to make your picks ... trying to figure out who grew and how much, and how their skills otherwise evolved. It would be quite the crapshoot - might not matter much what order the teams picked in ... Well if we are waiting for a vaccine before we go back to the rink, then it will be probably April 2022 or later ... or never. They should be thinking about that right now before this next draft even takes place. Right now, every Q team should be hiring a Bantam AAA Coach from Quebec, NB, PEI and NS and US for their scouting staff. |
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Post by doubleshift on May 13, 2020 9:17:17 GMT -4
If the 20-21 season is cancelled, God forbid, shouldn't the league be concerned about the viability of some franchises? What kind of league will there be to come back to?
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Post by scotiahockey on May 13, 2020 9:20:39 GMT -4
If the 20-21 season is cancelled, God forbid, shouldn't the league be concerned about the viability of some franchises? What kind of league will there be to come back to? Probably one that better suits the talent level of the QMJHL. 18 teams is unfortunately too many for the talent that the region produces. Now I’m not advocating or saying they should willingly drop teams but if they did lose some teams, the on-ice product would improve drastically. |
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Post by bois on May 13, 2020 9:23:36 GMT -4
Article in paper this morning quotes Irving as being very upset at league's decision not to compensate teams who traded to contend in 2019-20 and lost out on the playoff run ... I can see why he would be disappointed, but not surprised the league isn't compensating him - one of those things that isn't anyone's fault. The bigger pain on the long term will come if this season ends up cancelled and we can't convert our remaining vets into picks and prospects. Would make for a very long rebuild. poor bobby what an ass that guy is |
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Post by bois on May 13, 2020 9:26:13 GMT -4
I could see a few Moncton and SJ trades happening where SJ moves kids who don't necessarily have a spot for future picks. Drover is a kid that would benefit from going to a rebuilding team, he seems stuck in SJ. With the Wc not having a lot of picks though it's a tough trade to make. Maybe make him futures for a guy like Stewart, then you send Stewart at mid season for a 2nd. Stewart is a guy that would help stabilize the SJ D. He didn't benefit ,much from going to a rebuilding team last year |
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Post by mav on May 13, 2020 9:26:51 GMT -4
Imagine if the contenders don't honor the "boomerang" trade...
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Post by jimmy on May 13, 2020 9:32:14 GMT -4
Article in paper this morning quotes Irving as being very upset at league's decision not to compensate teams who traded to contend in 2019-20 and lost out on the playoff run ... I can see why he would be disappointed, but not surprised the league isn't compensating him - one of those things that isn't anyone's fault. The bigger pain on the long term will come if this season ends up cancelled and we can't convert our remaining vets into picks and prospects. Would make for a very long rebuild. poor bobby what an ass that guy is That is an unfair comment ... his position on this is not going to garner much sympathy, even among Cats fans, and he definitely should have kept his disappointment private rather than having Hodge do an article. That said, he contributes an awful lot to the community, and his passion for Q hockey is second to none (even if he could no doubt get better results if he could learn to stay out of the way) - Moncton is fortunate to have him. Not saying he is perfect by any means - but he doesn't deserve to be called an ass. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on May 13, 2020 9:33:45 GMT -4
If the 20-21 season is cancelled, God forbid, shouldn't the league be concerned about the viability of some franchises? What kind of league will there be to come back to? The financial bubble Q teams do better with the year off. They already lose money each season. Their owners soak up the losses. They wouldnt be able to go into any season with games in it but less ticket sales and less advertising sponsorship etc. The fixed costs (equipment) coaches, staff, player expenses (billet allowance etc), even before travel to road games etc....and trying to market it would put them under. Really for those teams a year off may help them. Consider that the owners all have their own businesses that may be headed to negative annual balance sheet for the year there may not be the normal wiggle room and credit help from banks. Only a few CHL teams turn annual profits. Not many of these investors are in it for the money. They do it for love of game and community. So if we hear later that the league will play a shortened season but not all teams will play in it...this will be why. I don't see a revenue/expense sharing model that is on the horizon here. |
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Post by bois on May 13, 2020 9:39:12 GMT -4
poor bobby what an ass that guy is That is an unfair comment ... his position on this is not going to garner much sympathy, even among Cats fans, and he definitely should have kept his disappointment private rather than having Hodge do an article. That said, he contributes an awful lot to the community, and his passion for Q hockey is second to none (even if he could no doubt get better results if he could learn to stay out of the way) - Moncton is fortunate to have him. Not saying he is perfect by any means - but he doesn't deserve to be called an ass. he runs to the media to complain about anything he can...... despite being rich and sheltering his money to avoid proper taxes... threatens to pull out of pei all the time if he doesn't get government to change the law for him... breaks valid contracts with growers when times are tough etc etc etc i don't have any sympathy for the man... and i stand by my comment yes he does some good.... easy to do good when it has no negative impact on your financial situation |
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Post by jimmy on May 13, 2020 9:39:32 GMT -4
Imagine if the contenders don't honor the "boomerang" trade... That would be an interesting twist ... I was wondering the other day about trades with futures, and how they really work. Are they set in stone at the time of the original deal in January? Or are they set up such as one team or the other has the option to return picks for players at the draft (which would provide protection if someone were to suffer a long term injury)? Take the Cats this season ... normally, the players they are supposed to send at the draft would likely hold (far?) more value than the picks they stand to get back ... so if anyone would have incentive to welch on the original promise, it would be them. But in this circumstance where the 2020/21 season is in some doubt, it is actually the opposite ... the Mooseheads might be inclined to say they no longer want older players with less remaining shelf life, and would prefer to just keep the picks, leaving the Cats holding the bag on veteran players who could potentially age out of the league before action resumes (clearly this would be a bigger factor if the players involved are Pelletier and Spence - which it sounds like they may not be). So question is - is the deal set in stone - or does one team or the other have an option to say, you know what, things have changed, we will decline the futures and just leave the deal stand the way it was ... |
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 13, 2020 9:41:04 GMT -4
If the 20-21 season is cancelled, God forbid, shouldn't the league be concerned about the viability of some franchises? What kind of league will there be to come back to? Probably one that better suits the talent level of the QMJHL. 18 teams is unfortunately too many for the talent that the region produces. Now I’m not advocating or saying they should willingly drop teams but if they did lose some teams, the on-ice product would improve drastically. The WHL needs to cut back by about 4 teams, they are struggling to ice contenders year after year, too watered down. |
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Post by bois on May 13, 2020 9:42:25 GMT -4
Imagine if the contenders don't honor the "boomerang" trade... That would be an interesting twist ... I was wondering the other day about trades with futures, and how they really work. Are they set in stone at the time of the original deal in January? Or are they set up such as one team or the other has the option to return picks for players at the draft (which would provide protection if someone were to suffer a long term injury)? Take the Cats this season ... normally, the players they are supposed to send at the draft would likely hold (far?) more value than the picks they stand to get back ... so if anyone would have incentive to welch on the original promise, it would be them. But in this circumstance where the 2020/21 season is in some doubt, it is actually the opposite ... the Mooseheads might be inclined to say they no longer want older players with less remaining shelf life, and would prefer to just keep the picks, leaving the Cats holding the bag on veteran players who could potentially age out of the league before action resumes (clearly this would be a bigger factor if the players involved are Pelletier and Spence - which it sounds like they may not be). So question is - is the deal set in stone - or does one team or the other have an option to say, you know what, things have changed, we will decline the futures and just leave the deal stand the way it was ... we've had future deals change...... player went pro.... keep pick instead.... player was ineligible to be traded so we get pick and a prospect instead..... i wouldnt be surprised if especially now the deal gets modifuied somehow....... of course noone seems to know for sure who was involved so how will we know it's different |
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 13, 2020 9:42:44 GMT -4
Imagine if the contenders don't honor the "boomerang" trade... That would be an interesting twist ... I was wondering the other day about trades with futures, and how they really work. Are they set in stone at the time of the original deal in January? Or are they set up such as one team or the other has the option to return picks for players at the draft (which would provide protection if someone were to suffer a long term injury)? Take the Cats this season ... normally, the players they are supposed to send at the draft would likely hold (far?) more value than the picks they stand to get back ... so if anyone would have incentive to welch on the original promise, it would be them. But in this circumstance where the 2020/21 season is in some doubt, it is actually the opposite ... the Mooseheads might be inclined to say they no longer want older players with less remaining shelf life, and would prefer to just keep the picks, leaving the Cats holding the bag on veteran players who could potentially age out of the league before action resumes (clearly this would be a bigger factor if the players involved are Pelletier and Spence - which it sounds like they may not be). So question is - is the deal set in stone - or does one team or the other have an option to say, you know what, things have changed, we will decline the futures and just leave the deal stand the way it was ... Usually any deal involving futures, the futures are written into the deal, obviously not made public, but both sides sign off on it. In the past, some teams used to get both GM's to sign off on future considerations but not send in the paperwork until the draft. |
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Post by jimmy on May 13, 2020 9:42:53 GMT -4
If the 20-21 season is cancelled, God forbid, shouldn't the league be concerned about the viability of some franchises? What kind of league will there be to come back to? The financial bubble Q teams do better with the year off. They already lose money each season. Their owners soak up the losses. They wouldnt be able to go into any season with games in it but less ticket sales and less advertising sponsorship etc. The fixed costs (equipment) coaches, staff, player expenses (billet allowance etc), even before travel to road games etc....and trying to market it would put them under. Really for those teams a year off may help them. Consider that the owners all have their own businesses that may be headed to negative annual balance sheet for the year there may not be the normal wiggle room and credit help from banks. Only a few CHL teams turn annual profits. Not many of these investors are in it for the money. They do it for love of game and community. So if we hear later that the league will play a shortened season but not all teams will play in it...this will be why. I don't see a revenue/expense sharing model that is on the horizon here. Did anyone see that the Portland Winterhawks filed for bankruptcy? By all accounts they are a successful, large market WHL team - but they got dragged under by the other business interests of their owner. Sounds like they will survive and emerge with new ownership. Don't be shocked if more teams follow ... |
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Post by SteveUL on May 13, 2020 9:47:39 GMT -4
Imagine if the contenders don't honor the "boomerang" trade... There is no option to not honour a trade. Any trade registered with the league happens no matter what, unless the league says different. If say Moncton decided it wasn't sending L'Heureux and/or Desnoyers to Halifax (or whatever the deal actually is), the league just scratches them off of Moncton's roster and writes them in on Halifax's roster. If they want to play they show up to Halifax's camp. If they show up to Moncton's camp they'd be inelligible players and could not play for Moncton, and Moncton would have to forfeit any games they did play in. Referees would probably be aware that they are ineligible and ban them from the ice before the puck was dropped. It would just never get to that as the players would go to where the league tells them to, for the good of their own hockey career. |
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