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Post by Jack Bauer on May 11, 2020 9:12:39 GMT -4
Yeah...all pettiness. No chance it would just be history repeating itself. Has to be pettiness  If we convinced him last year, he would have played last year. Kids don't play Bchl if they have their mind made up to play chl, unless there is no roster spot for them. Not every case is the same. And everyone realizes we're in a different world then a year ago. You constantly trying to sell this franchise as some team being picked on by others is just always a source of humor here. There's no pettiness when someone expects a highly touted NCAA player to sign with your team. History just says that's how they do business. It's never about getting 100% of those players on immediate commitments. But as usual you're too busy trying to find some added reason why people might be pissed/bitter about it and call them petty. Reality is that as most have said for years...SJ is a team dealing with bigger money and resources and is able to always roll the dice on players who are usually only going to 5-6 teams in this league. Congrats on your new player. But stop thinking people are petty about you signing him. Some are just happy to see highly touted players in the league no matter what team they play for. And even your own fans can see this stuff for what it is and not see others commenting as petty....because they're mature hockey fans who have seen this song and dance many times. |
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Post by howitzer on May 11, 2020 9:17:05 GMT -4
Better not see SJ fans whine the next time Quebec, Moncton or Halifax get a guy to report.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 11, 2020 9:17:48 GMT -4
Yeah...all pettiness. No chance it would just be history repeating itself. Has to be pettiness I don't think we've ever had a player agree to play here before, but let me go play somewhere else for a year first before I report. To think this was pre-arranged would mean we convinced Reynolds to ditch NCAA right after we drafted him and instead of him playing in the Q right away, we sent him off to the BCHL to make it look like he was still considering NCAA as his first option. Pretty sure that would be a first for us. So you agree that people are just petty about it? Speculating about a big market teams that has a history of attracting NCAA players isn't valid for this franchise? I've yet to see anyone be petty about projecting the Sea Dogs as a team that goes after the NCAA kids later in drafts then they'd go if they weren't NCAA guys. That's just the reality you've created over 15 years of operating that way. But those who will talk about the next kid picked in round 2/3 rated in the top 5 won't be petty either. If Bathurst did it and people had similar comments....they could be judged as petty depending on the context. But its not petty when its the same big market teams doing it. It's just how they get to operate. And i'm not whining or complaining about the system. I accepted it for what it was a long time ago. In this case i'm glad the kid changed his mind. But I don't think petty is anywhere near the right word to use here. |
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Post by scotiahockey on May 11, 2020 9:20:55 GMT -4
Yeah...all pettiness. No chance it would just be history repeating itself. Has to be pettiness I don't think we've ever had a player agree to play here before, but let me go play somewhere else for a year first before I report. To think this was pre-arranged would mean we convinced Reynolds to ditch NCAA right after we drafted him and instead of him playing in the Q right away, we sent him off to the BCHL to make it look like he was still considering NCAA as his first option. Pretty sure that would be a first for us. I don’t think that’s the case at all but I do think once he got drafted by the Sea Dogs, it opened the doors up to him coming to the Q. I don’t personally think he lands in this league, with too many other teams. Every thing he said post draft suggested he was very open to the possibility, he showed up to development camp and with everything else surrounding him and the Sea Dogs leading up to the draft, it’s no wonder people begin to think he was coming for this season (I being one of them). From the players perspective though, absolutely makes sense to not commit right away. You’re 16 years old, a lot can change year over year and you may not be the highly touted player you once were as you get older. Keep those doors open for a season that ultimately really doesn’t matter outside of development. He went to a great league, developed very nicely and now entering his draft season, on a team that’s on the rise it makes sense to jump ship now. You combine all those factors with the fact he was 2 years away from ever stepping foot at BC unless he re-classified (I’m sure he could have) and it makes sense to come play for the Sea Dogs. He never closed the doors on the league like some other NCAA guys have and do. There’s clearly have and have nots in the league, it’s just the way it is. The Sea Dogs can and will attract talent that other teams can’t (mind you they do swing and miss a lot on NCAA guys but have done well lately) and that’s fine by me. I don’t think anything sinister or shady went down here, maybe that’s naive by me but I don’t think that’s the case here. I think it was just a case of a kid who was open to coming to the league, if he got to land with certain teams. Once that happened, the Sea Dogs convinced him the best place for his development was in the Q not the NCAA route. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 11, 2020 9:21:21 GMT -4
Outside of a few people outside of SJ saying we always get ncaa kids (which we don't) and ONE SJ fan who posted on hf, there was nothing more than hope here. Sure you do. That isn't a blanket that requires a 100% accuracy rate to be labeled that. The fact you think that way is why I say you're a source of humor. You actually think you don't always get NCAA kids. When you're probably the team who has got the most since they came in the league. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 11, 2020 9:24:10 GMT -4
Better not see SJ fans whine the next time Quebec, Moncton or Halifax get a guy to report. The reaction of calling others petty is actually what comes off as petty here, ironically enough. |
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Post by scotiahockey on May 11, 2020 9:33:16 GMT -4
Outside of a few people outside of SJ saying we always get ncaa kids (which we don't) and ONE SJ fan who posted on hf, there was nothing more than hope here. Sure you do. That isn't a blanket that requires a 100% accuracy rate to be labeled that. The fact you think that way is why I say you're a source of humor. You actually think you don't always get NCAA kids. When you're probably the team who has got the most since they came in the league. They do miss on a lot of NCAA guys, that comes with the territory of selecting them. In the past 2 years though, they’ve so far had at least 4 guys flip... Stairs, Lawrence, Desroches and now Reynolds. That’s a pretty good haul for 2 seasons and a good chunk of their core for when they go for it. Sure maybe these kids were always coming to the league, we’ll never know but there’s teams that haven’t flipped 4 kids in the last decade, let alone in 2 years. SJ is clearly one of the teams that gets NCAA kids and for any fans to say they don’t is simply untrue. Obviously when you’re willing to take the swings on guys that other teams never have a chance of convincing, so they simply don’t draft them, you’re going to have a higher rate of misses than other teams... If people choose not to see that then it’s on them. SJ has a chance at convincing guys, so I hope they keep selecting them because I want to see the best players play in the league and I don’t care if that means the same 3-4 teams keep drafting them. The Q is the one CHL league that really can’t afford to have guys go NCAA because the depth simply isn’t there to replace them/not miss them like the OHL or WHL. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 11, 2020 9:48:42 GMT -4
Sure you do. That isn't a blanket that requires a 100% accuracy rate to be labeled that. The fact you think that way is why I say you're a source of humor. You actually think you don't always get NCAA kids. When you're probably the team who has got the most since they came in the league. Now that is garbage. Our entire list of drafted kids who said they were going NCAA is Durepos, Huberdeau, Kelly, Oke, Gagne, Gould, Lawrence, Desroches, Stairs, Reynolds, McCallum. In 15 years. Not sure what your point is as I feel like you just proved mine. You've been after those players since day 1 and still heavily invest time, resources, and money into attracting those kids and probably(i'm not counting exact numbers, but few others can list 10 names over their entire lifespan) end up getting more then anyone else. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 11, 2020 9:52:01 GMT -4
The reaction of calling others petty is actually what comes off as petty here, ironically enough. For the most part, it isn't fans on this board calling SJ cheaters. It's the fans (and PAID JOURNALISTS) in markets such as Gatineau and Rimouski. And this stuff is why so many Bathurst posters left over the years. How many Gatineau or Rimouski fans have called you cheaters who actually are normal posters and not their versions of chsb? You can't blanket entire fan bases because of a couple of loud idiots on a message board. The more you try and defend your stance/comments on this the more you end up looking like the petty one. |
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Post by juliansteed on May 11, 2020 10:06:44 GMT -4
Better not see SJ fans whine the next time Quebec, Moncton or Halifax get a guy to report. Oh some will whine for sure. But their whining won't be directed at the player or the team that gets him to report. It will be directed at Georgie for not taking a chance on him. |
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on May 11, 2020 10:16:27 GMT -4
I’m sure the fact that he’s played with stairs and Lawrence since Timbits helped, probably not a huge factor but certainly wasn’t going to hurt them
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Post by ldub23 on May 11, 2020 11:13:45 GMT -4
Outside of a few people outside of SJ saying we always get ncaa kids (which we don't) and ONE SJ fan who posted on hf, there was nothing more than hope here. Sure you do. That isn't a blanket that requires a 100% accuracy rate to be labeled that. The fact you think that way is why I say you're a source of humor. You actually think you don't always get NCAA kids. When you're probably the team who has got the most since they came in the league. It looks like it's time to dust off an old post. Trevor Georgie - despite seemingly not doing enough to satisfy some Sea Dogs fans - has done a remarkable job at getting players with NCAA options to sign with Saint John. However, since Jonathan Huberdeau in 2009, the team's record at doing this had been very poor. In 2009, the Sea Dogs drafted Pierre Durepos and Jonathan Huberdeau - who stated that they were leaning towards a US education package. Both sign and are key contributors to 2 Presidents Cups and one Memorial Cup. Charlie Coyle leaves Boston to join the 2012 team and plays a huge role as well. Dirty Ba$tard$ those NCAA $ea Dog$. 2011 - drafted Connor Brickley, Ryan Segala and Marc Beiga. None sign 2012 - Drew Michals and Wiley Sherman - nope 2013 - Jack Eichel (even after refusing Halifax) and Joey Daccord - Nada 2014 - Jack Massie, Monty Graham, Marshall Rafai and Lincoln Griffin - NO 2015 - Morgan Barron, Marc McLaughlin and Ben Miragaes - I don't think so, Bud 2016 - Shane Bowers (after saying no to Screaming Eagles), Simon Eisliger, Devan Newhook, Matt Gould ( Editor's Note: he did sign in 2019 with TG), Matthew Steinberg and Derek Fournier. Say goodnight, Mr. Young 2017 - Lynden Breen (local player), Tim Noble, Luke Wilson, Justin Hryckowian, Patrick Moynihan and Robby Griffin. We have a winner - welcome to Saint John, young master Luke. 2018 - Josh Lawrence (Yes - after the draft), Charlie DesRoches (PEI boy, upset the Islanders didn't draft him, walks down to Sea Dogs table and signs a decommitment form - YES), Dawson Stairs (well, Josh is going, sounds like a good plan - YES), Kale McCallum (initially doubtful - does sign with TG), Connor Bradford (nice city but New England is nicer), Jack Williams ("you guys are very good but it's hard to walk away from my favorite NCAA team"), Cade DeStafini (Isn't New Brunswick a city in New Jersey). Lahaie et al - "those dirty cheating ba$tard$ - paying hundreds of thousands to bring in these recalcitrant players. The QMJHL should launch a investigation". 2019 - VDO at 6 - Evan Nause (No Show - VDO gets #6 in 2020), VIC at 7 - Guillaume Richard ($UMaine? But the Tigres are my hometown team - sure I'll put on the jersey and smile - "what a good boy!" - another No Show - VIC gets #7 in 2020), SHE at 9 - Cam Whynot ("but he's not there? Still good risk for a top D" - traded to Halifax), RIM at 14 - Zachary Bolduc ("sure it'll cost $26,000 to get him to waive his Prep school fees - but we need to draft the best available and he's worth the wait" - signs later and performs very well), BAT at 16 - Cole Huckins ("I don't care if he has said he's going State side, he's from Fredericton and would be honoured to play in Bathurst for a recent Memorial Cup champ - great move, Sly" - signs and also plays very well), CHI at 18 - Oscar Plandowski ("sure he's said he's going south but, hey, he could be a huge add for a cup run next season" - traded to Charlottetown) ... The Sea Dogs at 21 select Peter Reynolds ... "OH MY GOD, those cheating ba$tard$ are at it again ... every F'n year they spend well over $100,000 trying to buy a championship ... Mr. Commissioner - where do we stand with the investigation and the new rules to stop those cheaters in Saint John???" ... At 22 GAT takes Charles-Alexis Legault, at 29 CHI takes Jacob Guevin, and at 41 SHA takes Tovar Tinling ("NCAA be damned, we need more players from Quebec staying closer to home") ... At 51, the Sea Dogs are proud to select from Selects Academy, Cameron MacDonald ... "There they go again - buying more high-end players - BA$TARD$!!!" ... At 59, CHA takes Ryan Greene - "Great risk for a first round talent ... way to go Islanders, good on ya". ... I'm Patrick Roy, I think I'll draft William Rousseau (80 - No Show) Mikael Huchette (83 - No Show), James Malatesta (116 - signs and excels) and Eli Barnett (118 - No Show). "Oh, St. Patrick, what would the QMJHL do without strong willed guys like you to blaze the trail to keep more kids in Quebec. You da man!!!" I realize that a relatively few fans from other teams will continue to snipe … but I hope this at least helps frame what has really happened in this regard. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 11, 2020 11:21:21 GMT -4
Sure you do. That isn't a blanket that requires a 100% accuracy rate to be labeled that. The fact you think that way is why I say you're a source of humor. You actually think you don't always get NCAA kids. When you're probably the team who has got the most since they came in the league. It looks like it's time to dust off an old post. Trevor Georgie - despite seemingly not doing enough to satisfy some Sea Dogs fans - has done a remarkable job at getting players with NCAA options to sign with Saint John. However, since Jonathan Huberdeau in 2009, the team's record at doing this had been very poor. In 2009, the Sea Dogs drafted Pierre Durepos and Jonathan Huberdeau - who stated that they were leaning towards a US education package. Both sign and are key contributors to 2 Presidents Cups and one Memorial Cup. Charlie Coyle leaves Boston to join the 2012 team and plays a huge role as well. Dirty Ba$tard$ those NCAA $ea Dog$. 2011 - drafted Connor Brickley, Ryan Segala and Marc Beiga. None sign 2012 - Drew Michals and Wiley Sherman - nope 2013 - Jack Eichel (even after refusing Halifax) and Joey Daccord - Nada 2014 - Jack Massie, Monty Graham, Marshall Rafai and Lincoln Griffin - NO 2015 - Morgan Barron, Marc McLaughlin and Ben Miragaes - I don't think so, Bud 2016 - Shane Bowers (after saying no to Screaming Eagles), Simon Eisliger, Devan Newhook, Matt Gould ( Editor's Note: he did sign in 2019 with TG), Matthew Steinberg and Derek Fournier. Say goodnight, Mr. Young 2017 - Lynden Breen (local player), Tim Noble, Luke Wilson, Justin Hryckowian, Patrick Moynihan and Robby Griffin. We have a winner - welcome to Saint John, young master Luke. 2018 - Josh Lawrence (Yes - after the draft), Charlie DesRoches (PEI boy, upset the Islanders didn't draft him, walks down to Sea Dogs table and signs a decommitment form - YES), Dawson Stairs (well, Josh is going, sounds like a good plan - YES), Kale McCallum (initially doubtful - does sign with TG), Connor Bradford (nice city but New England is nicer), Jack Williams ("you guys are very good but it's hard to walk away from my favorite NCAA team"), Cade DeStafini (Isn't New Brunswick a city in New Jersey). Lahaie et al - "those dirty cheating ba$tard$ - paying hundreds of thousands to bring in these recalcitrant players. The QMJHL should launch a investigation". 2019 - VDO at 6 - Evan Nause (No Show - VDO gets #6 in 2020), VIC at 7 - Guillaume Richard ($UMaine? But the Tigres are my hometown team - sure I'll put on the jersey and smile - "what a good boy!" - another No Show - VIC gets #7 in 2020), SHE at 9 - Cam Whynot ("but he's not there? Still good risk for a top D" - traded to Halifax), RIM at 14 - Zachary Bolduc ("sure it'll cost $26,000 to get him to waive his Prep school fees - but we need to draft the best available and he's worth the wait" - signs later and performs very well), BAT at 16 - Cole Huckins ("I don't care if he has said he's going State side, he's from Fredericton and would be honoured to play in Bathurst for a recent Memorial Cup champ - great move, Sly" - signs and also plays very well), CHI at 18 - Oscar Plandowski ("sure he's said he's going south but, hey, he could be a huge add for a cup run next season" - traded to Charlottetown) ... The Sea Dogs at 21 select Peter Reynolds ... "OH MY GOD, those cheating ba$tard$ are at it again ... every F'n year they spend well over $100,000 trying to buy a championship ... Mr. Commissioner - where do we stand with the investigation and the new rules to stop those cheaters in Saint John???" ... At 22 GAT takes Charles-Alexis Legault, at 29 CHI takes Jacob Guevin, and at 41 SHA takes Tovar Tinling ("NCAA be damned, we need more players from Quebec staying closer to home") ... At 51, the Sea Dogs are proud to select from Selects Academy, Cameron MacDonald ... "There they go again - buying more high-end players - BA$TARD$!!!" ... At 59, CHA takes Ryan Greene - "Great risk for a first round talent ... way to go Islanders, good on ya". ... I'm Patrick Roy, I think I'll draft William Rousseau (80 - No Show) Mikael Huchette (83 - No Show), James Malatesta (116 - signs and excels) and Eli Barnett (118 - No Show). "Oh, St. Patrick, what would the QMJHL do without strong willed guys like you to blaze the trail to keep more kids in Quebec. You da man!!!" I realize that relatively fans from other teams will continue to snipe … but I hope this at least helps frame what has really happened in this regard. Again a long post that just seems to give some fact to what i am saying. Nobody is sniping. People are calling it what it is. Since the league changed the rules less players have flip flopped. But SJ is still heavy into drafting them and going after them AND being successful in landing them. Why this in insulting to some of you i will never understand. Some of you cant separate a fight with a bitter chsb and rational thought from other fans. You guys being 5 for 100 and batting 5% is still a lot better then a Charlottetown going 1 for 40. You are getting near 25% of your roster being “NCAA guys” right now. What is there to even debate? |
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Post by seadogs10 on May 11, 2020 11:29:19 GMT -4
Hookup the hate straight into my veins!
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Post by Slap Shooter on May 11, 2020 11:36:39 GMT -4
sjseadogs.com/article/top-prospect-peter-reynolds-signs-with-sea-dogsTOP PROSPECT PETER REYNOLDS SIGNS WITH SEA DOGS The Saint John Sea Dogs announced today the signing of top prospect Peter Reynolds. The talented forward was ranked third overall in the 2019 QMJHL Draft and was previously committed to Boston College in the NCAA. Reynolds played the 2019-2020 season for Chilliwack in the BCHL where he led all sixteen-year-olds in scoring with 14 goals and 33 assists in 53 games. Reynolds’ point total ranks third in the last ten years for sixteen-year-olds, behind Tyson Jost (10th Overall in 2016 NHL Draft – Colorado Avalanche) and Alex Newhook (16th Overall in 2019 NHL Draft – Colorado Avalanche), and 16th all time in the BCHL. “I really want to thank Boston College and Chilliwack for everything they have done for me” said Reynolds. “Coach Maloney taught me so much this past year and I really appreciate it. I want to thank Coach York and coach Buckley for everything they have done for me as well.” The native of Fredericton, New Brunswick was selected by the Sea Dogs 21st overall in the 2019 QMJHL Draft. The pick originally belonged to the Shawinigan Cataractes and was acquired by the Sea Dogs in 2017 for forward Max-Antoine Melançon (73rd Overall in 2017 QMJHL Draft). Reynolds’ returns to New Brunswick after many seasons away from home. Prior to last season, Reynolds played three seasons at Shattuck St. Mary’s in Minnesota registering a total of 236 points. “I am really excited to come home and be close to my family. I am also extremely excited to play for such a world class organization in my backyard.” Reynolds joins an up and coming core that is not only talented but loaded with local flavour. He grew up a Sea Dogs fan, admiring in particular, Sea Dogs Hall of Famer Jonathan Huberdeau. “Growing up I watched plenty of Sea Dogs games and I thought they were the coolest thing. I loved watching Huberdeau, he was so dominant and now to finally be with the Sea Dogs is very exciting.” Sea Dogs President and General Manager Trevor Georgie believes Reynolds is going to fit perfectly in the team culture and be an important part of the core. “Gifted and impressive – that’s Peter in a nutshell” said Sea Dogs President & General Manager, Trevor Georgie. “I have had the privilege of getting to know him and his family over the past year or so, and we’re getting a humble, but remarkably driven person. What became abundantly clear (to me) is that he wants to excel at whatever he does. Now he wants to win at the highest level, here in the CHL with our group.” Reynolds is the most recent player to make the move from the NCAA to the Sea Dogs in the past 24 months. He joins Charlie Desroches (Northeastern), Josh Lawrence (Boston University), Matt Gould (Providence College), Michael Campoli (Boston College), and fellow New Brunswickers, Dawson Stairs and Kale McCallum. “Great players have great options and we really appreciate Peter, and all the players before him, who have taken a leap of faith with us. In the end, management alone isn’t building a team, we’re building this thing together. With Scott (McCain) we have the best owner in the CHL, we have a winning tradition, and we treat our players like family. There are so many great programs and choices across North America, including Boston College, but we believe in ours a bit more.” Despite geography, Reynolds has carefully watched the team come together over the past few years, and he has big dreams about what could be in store for him and his new teammates. “To win a Memorial Cup with the Sea Dogs would be amazing. Growing up playing with some of the guys on the team is really cool and to win with them would be amazing. I think this is a super special group and I’m excited to get started.”
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