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Post by SteveUL on Nov 20, 2020 11:11:40 GMT -4
Whether it is 8 teams from NB or a mix of teams from NB, PEI and NS, I see no difference. It is all inside the bubble and everybody has to follow protocol. Either we are all bubbled together or we are not. its a huge difference if you're worried about spread kids can not high five one another or spend more than 15 minutes in a dressing room to get ready for a game... season was delayed starting bigtime.... were told we might have provincials if everything goes well but there was no chance of interprovincial tourneys and you see no difference? why is AUS not playing then? but an outlaw elite ringette team can travel and here we have to pick a parent to go watch a game ten minutes from our house because only one parent is allowed per kid Correct ... I see no difference. If one NB team can play against another NB team, I see no reason why a PEI or NS team couldn't travel to NB to participate in a tournament that has protocols in place for all teams to follow. We are all one bubble and are essentially one Province right now as far as borders go. But you still have to follow the rules that are put in place. Travelling around our bubble has no more risk than travelling around your own City. AUS isn't playing now because the first priority for them is education, and adding another level of risk and the costs to deal with that is not essential. They typically have to support their hockey programs as they don't financially cover themselves (UNB probably does), and that's not an essential cost for these universities right now. Everything we do has a risk involved with it. We are willing to accept a certain amount of risk for people to do their jobs, but non-essential things that cost money are not worth the risk, unless there is a payoff. Hosting a hockey tournament brings quite a bit of money into regions, especially to the tourism businesses that are struggling. That's why it gets approved, to try to prop up failing businesses. But to get approval you have to show a well thought out plan. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 20, 2020 11:13:43 GMT -4
its a huge difference if you're worried about spread kids can not high five one another or spend more than 15 minutes in a dressing room to get ready for a game... season was delayed starting bigtime.... were told we might have provincials if everything goes well but there was no chance of interprovincial tourneys and you see no difference? why is AUS not playing then? but an outlaw elite ringette team can travel and here we have to pick a parent to go watch a game ten minutes from our house because only one parent is allowed per kid Correct ... I see no difference. If one NB team can play against another NB team, I see no reason why a PEI or NS team couldn't travel to NB to participate in a tournament that has protocols in place for all teams to follow. We are all one bubble and are essentially one Province right now as far as borders go. But you still have to follow the rules that are put in place. Travelling around our bubble has no more risk than travelling around your own City. AUS isn't playing now because the first priority for them is education, and adding another level of risk and the costs to deal with that is not essential. They typically have to support their hockey programs as they don't financially cover themselves (UNB probably does), and that's not an essential cost for these universities right now. Everything we do has a risk involved with it. We are willing to accept a certain amount of risk for people to do their jobs, but non-essential things that cost money are not worth the risk, unless there is a payoff. Hosting a hockey tournament brings quite a bit of money into regions, especially to the tourism businesses that are struggling. That's why it gets approved, to try to prop up failing businesses. But to get approval you have to show a well thought out plan. The problem I see when you start doing tournaments with teams from across NB NS and PEI is it can spread a lot quicker and get harder to trace. If you play league games and a team X player gets it, you can get team Y to quarantine, but in a tournament they can play 3 teams from separate provinces and those teams play another 6 teams, it can spread in a hurry. |
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Post by jimmy on Nov 20, 2020 11:18:20 GMT -4
Whether it is 8 teams from NB or a mix of teams from NB, PEI and NS, I see no difference. It is all inside the bubble and everybody has to follow protocol. Either we are all bubbled together or we are not. its a huge difference if you're worried about spread kids can not high five one another or spend more than 15 minutes in a dressing room to get ready for a game... season was delayed starting bigtime.... were told we might have provincials if everything goes well but there was no chance of interprovincial tourneys and you see no difference? why is AUS not playing then? but an outlaw elite ringette team can travel and here we have to pick a parent to go watch a game ten minutes from our house because only one parent is allowed per kid Right now, in NB, we are allowed to play minor hockey in our zones or leagues only. There is talk that this may be loosened in the new year to allow tournaments, but no guidance yet on whether that would mean provincial, Atlantic bubble, within zones, etc ... Frankly, I think the decision has not yet been made, and will be dependent on case load as we get closer - as it should be. The private hockey programs that do not operate under the Hockey Canada umbrella (the big ones being Andrews and Atlantic Hockey Group, though there are many smaller ones as well) are basically following similar rules, with the exception being that they are allowing teams to travel anywhere that people would otherwise be able to travel (i.e. within the Atlantic bubble). |
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Post by jimmy on Nov 20, 2020 11:21:08 GMT -4
Correct ... I see no difference. If one NB team can play against another NB team, I see no reason why a PEI or NS team couldn't travel to NB to participate in a tournament that has protocols in place for all teams to follow. We are all one bubble and are essentially one Province right now as far as borders go. But you still have to follow the rules that are put in place. Travelling around our bubble has no more risk than travelling around your own City. AUS isn't playing now because the first priority for them is education, and adding another level of risk and the costs to deal with that is not essential. They typically have to support their hockey programs as they don't financially cover themselves (UNB probably does), and that's not an essential cost for these universities right now. Everything we do has a risk involved with it. We are willing to accept a certain amount of risk for people to do their jobs, but non-essential things that cost money are not worth the risk, unless there is a payoff. Hosting a hockey tournament brings quite a bit of money into regions, especially to the tourism businesses that are struggling. That's why it gets approved, to try to prop up failing businesses. But to get approval you have to show a well thought out plan. The problem I see when you start doing tournaments with teams from across NB NS and PEI is it can spread a lot quicker and get harder to trace. If you play league games and a team X player gets it, you can get team Y to quarantine, but in a tournament they can play 3 teams from separate provinces and those teams play another 6 teams, it can spread in a hurry. Your are correct - and that is why Hockey New Brunswick has yet to sanction such tournaments - and may or may not get to later in the season. A few weeks ago, the expectation was tournament play would start after Xmas ... but now, I am not so sure. I think league play might be the best we can hope for this season. |
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Post by bois on Nov 20, 2020 11:26:18 GMT -4
The problem I see when you start doing tournaments with teams from across NB NS and PEI is it can spread a lot quicker and get harder to trace. If you play league games and a team X player gets it, you can get team Y to quarantine, but in a tournament they can play 3 teams from separate provinces and those teams play another 6 teams, it can spread in a hurry. Your are correct - and that is why Hockey New Brunswick has yet to sanction such tournaments - and may or may not get to later in the season. A few weeks ago, the expectation was tournament play would start after Xmas ... but now, I am not so sure. I think league play might be the best we can hope for this season. and that is what my understanding of things was as well and for this year i think that makes the most sense so when i heard there were tourneys actually taking place with teams from all over the bubble that really shocked me and maddens me..... it should not be happening |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 20, 2020 11:45:27 GMT -4
Correct ... I see no difference. If one NB team can play against another NB team, I see no reason why a PEI or NS team couldn't travel to NB to participate in a tournament that has protocols in place for all teams to follow. We are all one bubble and are essentially one Province right now as far as borders go. But you still have to follow the rules that are put in place. Travelling around our bubble has no more risk than travelling around your own City. AUS isn't playing now because the first priority for them is education, and adding another level of risk and the costs to deal with that is not essential. They typically have to support their hockey programs as they don't financially cover themselves (UNB probably does), and that's not an essential cost for these universities right now. Everything we do has a risk involved with it. We are willing to accept a certain amount of risk for people to do their jobs, but non-essential things that cost money are not worth the risk, unless there is a payoff. Hosting a hockey tournament brings quite a bit of money into regions, especially to the tourism businesses that are struggling. That's why it gets approved, to try to prop up failing businesses. But to get approval you have to show a well thought out plan. The problem I see when you start doing tournaments with teams from across NB NS and PEI is it can spread a lot quicker and get harder to trace. If you play league games and a team X player gets it, you can get team Y to quarantine, but in a tournament they can play 3 teams from separate provinces and those teams play another 6 teams, it can spread in a hurry. We are in a bubble with PEI and NS, and NFLD, so anything that happens in NB can spread quickly to the other Provinces as it is. You are fooling yourself if you think that isn't true. We work in all four provinces (I do) and come and go as we need to. At the PEI border you get questioned, and when you enter into NFLD you get questioned, but that all relies on the honour system. All it takes is one person that is asymptomatic to answer the questions to the best of their knowledge, and enter into another Province and they have spread it. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 20, 2020 12:26:39 GMT -4
The problem I see when you start doing tournaments with teams from across NB NS and PEI is it can spread a lot quicker and get harder to trace. If you play league games and a team X player gets it, you can get team Y to quarantine, but in a tournament they can play 3 teams from separate provinces and those teams play another 6 teams, it can spread in a hurry. We are in a bubble with PEI and NS, and NFLD, so anything that happens in NB can spread quickly to the other Provinces as it is. You are fooling yourself if you think that isn't true. We work in all four provinces (I do) and come and go as we need to. At the PEI border you get questioned, and when you enter into NFLD you get questioned, but that all relies on the honour system. All it takes is one person that is asymptomatic to answer the questions to the best of their knowledge, and enter into another Province and they have spread it. One person(or family) visiting family is quite different from 3 PEI teams coming to Moncton in a tournament and playing 7 to 10 NB teams where you have thousands of points of contact to possibly spread to hundreds within a week. |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 20, 2020 12:38:05 GMT -4
We are in a bubble with PEI and NS, and NFLD, so anything that happens in NB can spread quickly to the other Provinces as it is. You are fooling yourself if you think that isn't true. We work in all four provinces (I do) and come and go as we need to. At the PEI border you get questioned, and when you enter into NFLD you get questioned, but that all relies on the honour system. All it takes is one person that is asymptomatic to answer the questions to the best of their knowledge, and enter into another Province and they have spread it. One person(or family) visiting family is quite different from 3 PEI teams coming to Moncton in a tournament and playing 7 to 10 NB teams where you have thousands of points of contact to possibly spread to hundreds within a week. The rules allow you to travel within the bubble. Do you think they pulled off this tournament without consulting with the NB Government ? |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 20, 2020 13:03:27 GMT -4
We are in a bubble with PEI and NS, and NFLD, so anything that happens in NB can spread quickly to the other Provinces as it is. You are fooling yourself if you think that isn't true. We work in all four provinces (I do) and come and go as we need to. At the PEI border you get questioned, and when you enter into NFLD you get questioned, but that all relies on the honour system. All it takes is one person that is asymptomatic to answer the questions to the best of their knowledge, and enter into another Province and they have spread it. One person(or family) visiting family is quite different from 3 PEI teams coming to Moncton in a tournament and playing 7 to 10 NB teams where you have thousands of points of contact to possibly spread to hundreds within a week. Doesnt sound much different then a trip to Costco will be for most over the next 4 weeks. I predict every one of those has a lineup outside of them right now. And nothings stopping it from being a mix of people from all Atlantic provinces. One family visiting another is also the exact same. 6 person family from PEI going to a 6 person family's home in NB is no different then teams playing other teams. For all the talk and precaution and everything people want i've yet to see 1 rational person have a mask on in their own home regardless of how many people are in there. So in some ways you're safer in the line at Costco if everyone is protected and distanced. People interacting with people spreads the virus. The virus doesn't know if you're at home drinking with Uncle Jed from Arichat who hasnt visited anyone since March or if you're next to Covid-filled Karen in the line at the local weed store while she learns the difference between indica and sativa. But even yourself just proved that people still think it's perfectly fine to gather family to family yet not team to team. As if covid knows the difference. You have to see the lack of consistency in that. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 20, 2020 14:01:05 GMT -4
One person(or family) visiting family is quite different from 3 PEI teams coming to Moncton in a tournament and playing 7 to 10 NB teams where you have thousands of points of contact to possibly spread to hundreds within a week. Doesnt sound much different then a trip to Costco will be for most over the next 4 weeks. I predict every one of those has a lineup outside of them right now. And nothings stopping it from being a mix of people from all Atlantic provinces. One family visiting another is also the exact same. 6 person family from PEI going to a 6 person family's home in NB is no different then teams playing other teams. For all the talk and precaution and everything people want i've yet to see 1 rational person have a mask on in their own home regardless of how many people are in there. So in some ways you're safer in the line at Costco if everyone is protected and distanced. People interacting with people spreads the virus. The virus doesn't know if you're at home drinking with Uncle Jed from Arichat who hasnt visited anyone since March or if you're next to Covid-filled Karen in the line at the local weed store while she learns the difference between indica and sativa. But even yourself just proved that people still think it's perfectly fine to gather family to family yet not team to team. As if covid knows the difference. You have to see the lack of consistency in that. Playing hockey you don't have a mask, everbody at Costco is supposed to wear one. HUUUGGEEE difference. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 20, 2020 15:36:07 GMT -4
Doesnt sound much different then a trip to Costco will be for most over the next 4 weeks. I predict every one of those has a lineup outside of them right now. And nothings stopping it from being a mix of people from all Atlantic provinces. One family visiting another is also the exact same. 6 person family from PEI going to a 6 person family's home in NB is no different then teams playing other teams. For all the talk and precaution and everything people want i've yet to see 1 rational person have a mask on in their own home regardless of how many people are in there. So in some ways you're safer in the line at Costco if everyone is protected and distanced. People interacting with people spreads the virus. The virus doesn't know if you're at home drinking with Uncle Jed from Arichat who hasnt visited anyone since March or if you're next to Covid-filled Karen in the line at the local weed store while she learns the difference between indica and sativa. But even yourself just proved that people still think it's perfectly fine to gather family to family yet not team to team. As if covid knows the difference. You have to see the lack of consistency in that. Playing hockey you don't have a mask, everbody at Costco is supposed to wear one. HUUUGGEEE difference. Your post was family vs teams. I responded to that yet you picked the small part not about that to prove a point. So then you agree that family to family and team to team are the same thing. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 20, 2020 15:39:27 GMT -4
Playing hockey you don't have a mask, everbody at Costco is supposed to wear one. HUUUGGEEE difference. Your post was family vs teams. I responded to that yet you picked the small part not about that to prove a point. So then you agree that family to family and team to team are the same thing. Not necessarily. If you visit your family you will interact with 5-10 people max usually. a team playing games in a tournament can have direct or indirect interactions with over a hundred people which can spread it to thousands within days. The risk is much higher. |
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Post by jimmy on Nov 20, 2020 15:51:29 GMT -4
Your post was family vs teams. I responded to that yet you picked the small part not about that to prove a point. So then you agree that family to family and team to team are the same thing. Not necessarily. If you visit your family you will interact with 5-10 people max usually. a team playing games in a tournament can have direct or indirect interactions with over a hundred people which can spread it to thousands within days. The risk is much higher. One single hockey tournament would appear to carry more risk than one single family gathering for the reasons you state ... however to be fair, how many family gatherings occur for every hockey tournament that happens? Clearly many more gatherings of family and friends (likely hundreds in any given day just in Moncton) occur than sports tournaments ... and I would frankly have no idea how to assess the overall cumulative risk of the respective activities. Both would seem to add to the risk of spreading the virus ... but so would virtually any foray outside your home, to one degree or another. That is what makes this so hard - staying in our home and never leaving for an extended period of time is not a viable option. So then we enter into the debate of which activities are 'worth' the risk and which are not ... which often comes down to the perspective of the individual. Priorities for one person or group of people do not always align with those of others. 2020 sucks ... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 20, 2020 15:52:59 GMT -4
Your post was family vs teams. I responded to that yet you picked the small part not about that to prove a point. So then you agree that family to family and team to team are the same thing. Not necessarily. If you visit your family you will interact with 5-10 people max usually. a team playing games in a tournament can have direct or indirect interactions with over a hundred people which can spread it to thousands within days. The risk is much higher. I work in a smaller office with 10 people. My wife works in a building with hundreds. Our family members are not just interacting with us over the next month. Their immune systems are essentially interacting with any person we've interacted with over the last 2 weeks. The spread is there whether it's family or a team it's the same risk. It's all dependent on any 1 person and their habits. Is there risk when teams get together? Yes, the same risk that's there when families get together or any other non mask wearing get together. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 20, 2020 15:56:40 GMT -4
Not necessarily. If you visit your family you will interact with 5-10 people max usually. a team playing games in a tournament can have direct or indirect interactions with over a hundred people which can spread it to thousands within days. The risk is much higher. One single hockey tournament would appear to carry more risk than one single family gathering for the reasons you state ... however to be fair, how many family gatherings occur for every hockey tournament that happens? Clearly many more gatherings of family and friends (likely hundreds in any given day just in Moncton) occur than sports tournaments ... and I would frankly have no idea how to assess the overall cumulative risk of the respective activities. Both would seem to add to the risk of spreading the virus ... but so would virtually any foray outside your home, to one degree or another. That is what makes this so hard - staying in our home and never leaving for an extended period of time is not a viable option. So then we enter into the debate of which activities are 'worth' the risk and which are not ... which often comes down to the perspective of the individual. Priorities for one person or group of people do not always align with those of others. 2020 sucks ... Exactly. Very well put. And am I exaggerating in saying we all in the Maritimes have someone somewhat close to us working in health care? From LTC to Residential Care to the Hospitals we all know people who are working the front lines of this thing. And we've all likely spent an unmasked evening or 2 with some of those since this thing began. We minimize risk. But I don't see how a group of kids from PEI playing a group of kids from Moncton is any different then a big family gathering for many which few would think twice about as long as it was their own family enjoying themselves. Unmasked. Trying to move on from this shitty year. |
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