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Post by islander19 on Feb 6, 2022 20:46:08 GMT -4
It was Elliot Boyd and Saye last night the little bit I’ve seen from Saye the last 2 games he’s gonna be a great fit. Reminds me of Spencer’s Cobbold a little bit obviously only 2 games Yeah my bad, posted that in the wrong thread. Didn’t see the game last night but I think Saye might’ve been on the 4th line tonight? Either way, great addition for basically no cost. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2022 21:05:56 GMT -4
Ummm - WOW - just fukkin' WOW!
Islanders Top 5 CORSI
N. Laaouan 317
L. Cormier 300
X. Simoneau 218
B. Budgell 214
D. Elliott 206
(Before this weekend's games)
For comparison's sake:
Quebec Top 5 CORSI
V. Marjala 212
N. Savoie 183
N. Gaucher 176
J. Malatesta 161
V. Komarov 150
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Post by countryboy on Feb 6, 2022 22:06:51 GMT -4
Is this 5X5 data only or does it include power play? Size of sample suggests to me that it includes PP….and our PP is very strong and would really balloon these numbers. Ummm - WOW - just fukkin' WOW! Islanders Top 5 CORSIN. Laaouan 317 L. Cormier 300 X. Simoneau 218 B. Budgell 214 D. Elliott 206 (Before this weekend's games) For comparison's sake:
Quebec Top 5 CORSIV. Marjala 212 N. Savoie 183 N. Gaucher 176 J. Malatesta 161 V. Komarov 150 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2022 22:20:15 GMT -4
Is this 5X5 data only or does it include power play? Size of sample suggests to me that it includes PP….and our PP is very strong and would really balloon these numbers. Ummm - WOW - just fukkin' WOW! Islanders Top 5 CORSIN. Laaouan 317 L. Cormier 300 X. Simoneau 218 B. Budgell 214 D. Elliott 206 (Before this weekend's games) For comparison's sake:
Quebec Top 5 CORSIV. Marjala 212 N. Savoie 183 N. Gaucher 176 J. Malatesta 161 V. Komarov 150 I honestly don't know. Wiki defines CORSI as being determined at even strength. FROM WIKI:Corsi is an advanced statistic used in the game of ice hockey to measure shot attempt differential while at even strength play. This includes shots on goal, missed shots on goal, and blocked shot attempts towards the opposition's net minus the same shot attempts directed at your own team's net. |
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Post by countryboy on Feb 6, 2022 22:35:25 GMT -4
I would guess these numbers are Corsi For…..I.e. before subtracting the Corsi Against.
Is for if it is 5X5 or all situations….I’ll look into these numbers and think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2022 22:48:37 GMT -4
I would guess these numbers are Corsi For…..I.e. before subtracting the Corsi Against. Is for if it is 5X5 or all situations….I’ll look into these numbers and think about it. No - they wouldn't be CORSI if they didn't subtract the chances against. Some teams have team leaders with negative CORSI numbers - it doesn't mean they weren't on the ice for any scoring chances for. If only scoring chances were counted here - how could somebody possibly show a negative? I'm just putting the numbers up for people to see - not to argue about them. Some people just won't accept the numbers for what they are - even when there is video proof for everything. Not meaning to be rude whatsoever. It just gets to be a chore forever being called out that analytics that are backed up with video proof aren't accurate. Apologies if I'm coming off the wrong way countryboy because you're a good poster who has been around for a long time - and I respect you for that. CORSI is chances for minus chances against when a player is on the ice - period. I don't know what else to say. For a player to be somewhere around 300 CORSI after roughly 30 games - and based on that player averaging around 20 shifts per game (top six forward) or 30 shifts per game (top pair D-man) - he would need to accumulate one more scoring chance every second to third shift - more than he was on the ice against. Does Lukas Cormier average 1 more scoring chance for than against every three shifts at even strength? In my estimation - I think that's probable with a top team like the Islanders. Cape Breton Top 5 CORSI:N. Girouard 31 C. Huggan -1 P. Pattengale -6 M. McQuaid -10 O. Houde -10 |
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Post by bois on Feb 7, 2022 8:56:10 GMT -4
i'm not gonna argue about analytics you guys can fill yer boots
i would like to say possibly the single greatest trade the Isles ever made was Gentile for Laaouaan.... what a great junior dman he has been.... i will argue he is the best defenseman this organization has had.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 8:56:23 GMT -4
| CATEGORY | CHARLOTTETOWN | BAIE-COMEAU | | GOALS | 4 | 1 | | SOG | 33 | 18 | | Even St. Puck Poss. | 21:16 | 13:04 | | Puck Battles Won | 73 | 67 | | Time On Ice | D 24:48 Lukas Cormier
F 22:25 Patrick Guay | D 20:06 M-A Pepin
F 22:28 Jacob Gaucher | | +/- | +3 Lukas Cormier
| Even x 7 Players | | SOG | 7 Lukas Cormier | 3 x 3 Players | | Shot Blocks | 6 William Trudeau
| 3 Y. Sapelnikov
| | Hits | 4 Drew Elliott | 3 C-A Tremblay | | Takeaways | 15 Lukas Cormier (Wow)
| 8 Isaac Dufort
8 Etienne Arseneau | | Faceoffs | 6/9 Xavier Simoneau | 9/12 Xavier Fortin |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 9:04:23 GMT -4
i'm not gonna argue about analytics you guys can fill yer boots i would like to say possibly the single greatest trade the Isles ever made was Gentile for Laaouaan.... what a great junior dman he has been.... i will argue he is the best defenseman this organization has had. Analytics are 100 percent backed up by video proof - not 90 percent backed up - or guesswork - or anything else. They are 100 PERCENT BACKED UP BY VIDEO PROOF - PERIOD. Analytics are for coaches, GM's and scouts - and for the players themselves who are given printouts after each game. I'm just trying to give the ordinary fan like myself a glimpse of what those analytics show. There is zero way to manipulate the system or to cheat. It's like a camera shot of a car going through a stop sign without stopping. You can have 15 witnesses claiming it didn't happen - but video proof doesn't lie. Wow - there's a lot of smart people here who just don't get it (not meaning you Bois). |
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Post by bois on Feb 7, 2022 9:07:05 GMT -4
i'm not gonna argue about analytics you guys can fill yer boots i would like to say possibly the single greatest trade the Isles ever made was Gentile for Laaouaan.... what a great junior dman he has been.... i will argue he is the best defenseman this organization has had. Analytics are 100 percent backed up by video proof - not 90 percent backed up - or guesswork - or anything else. They are 100 PERCENT BACKED UP BY VIDEO PROOF - PERIOD. Analytics are for coaches, GM's and scouts - and for the players themselves who are given printouts after each game. I'm just trying to give the ordinary fan a glimpse of what those analytics show. There is zero way to manipulate the system or to cheat. It's like a camera shot of a car going through a stop sign without stopping. You can have 15 witnesses claiming it didn't happen - but video proof doesn't lie. Wow - there's a lot of smart people here who just don't get it (not meaning you Bois). I just don't care man I judge by what I see... always have always will not tellin you to not post your analytics... just not gonna argue about them thats me personally tho another Islander who gets very overlooked but is a key cog in the team is our very own Covehead boy Kieran Gallant..... he reminds me alot of Zac Beauregard |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 9:09:10 GMT -4
Analytics are 100 percent backed up by video proof - not 90 percent backed up - or guesswork - or anything else. They are 100 PERCENT BACKED UP BY VIDEO PROOF - PERIOD. Analytics are for coaches, GM's and scouts - and for the players themselves who are given printouts after each game. I'm just trying to give the ordinary fan a glimpse of what those analytics show. There is zero way to manipulate the system or to cheat. It's like a camera shot of a car going through a stop sign without stopping. You can have 15 witnesses claiming it didn't happen - but video proof doesn't lie. Wow - there's a lot of smart people here who just don't get it (not meaning you Bois). I just don't care man I judge by what I see... always have always will not tellin you to not post your analytics... just not gonna argue about them thats me personally tho another Islander who gets very overlooked but is a key cog in the team is our very own Covehead boy Kieran Gallant..... he reminds me alot of Zac Beauregard By all means - there are people like you and Craig Eagles who absolutely hate stats and analytics and those who use them - and YOU fill YOUR fukkin' boots - man! I got better things to do than to argue with people who only see what they want to see. |
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Post by bois on Feb 7, 2022 9:13:29 GMT -4
i absolutely do not hate stats lol
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 7, 2022 9:15:44 GMT -4
I just don't care man I judge by what I see... always have always will not tellin you to not post your analytics... just not gonna argue about them thats me personally tho another Islander who gets very overlooked but is a key cog in the team is our very own Covehead boy Kieran Gallant..... he reminds me alot of Zac Beauregard By all means - there are people like you and Craig Eagles who absolutely hate stats and analytics and those who use them - and YOU fill YOUR fukkin' boots - man! I got better things to do than to argue with people who only see what they want to see. Can you read? vs You come off like a fucking idiot with this exchange. He's literally saying he has no interest. You're calling him a fucking idiot for it. Grow up. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 9:19:50 GMT -4
i absolutely do not hate stats lol You have about 25,000 posts and I have less than 100. I just want to apologize for coming off the wrong way. You're a great poster - really. I get a bit ticked because so many people seem to call me out for posting the analytics. To me - they can tell so much of the game that goes unseen and I like that sort of thing - but I'm quickly realizing that the overall membership here doesn't really care. I'll stop posting them. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 7, 2022 9:21:22 GMT -4
For the record...I also have no use for analytics. But those who love them can fill their boots with all their stats.
Generally they tell you what other stats do. And also have huge holes in that they have no way to measure competitiveness and about a dozen other factors that the "eye test" takes into account.
To each their own. But just enough with the PEOPLE HATE STATS and shoving analytics DOWN THE THROATS OF THOSE WHO DONT LIKE IT.
Its ok to voice an opinion that I'm not going to argue about something and just have that be the end of it. There's no need to take someone on for their lack of excitement over very boring advanced stats that a good 95% of hockey fans could not care less about.
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