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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 16, 2022 8:20:57 GMT -4
I agree, if Lawrence and Biakabutuka end up here and assuming we get our guy third overall in the import draft and Ivan is done here I'd rather keep Camp or Rodzinski as the 3rd 20yo. I mean it's not like we're expecting to contend next season so why spend more assets then we're already giving up in the Lawrence and Biakabutuka trades to strengthen the 20's when a Lawrence, Biakabutuka, Camp combo or a Lawrence, Biakabutuka and Rodzinski combo would be efficient enough as 20's I think it was just a rumour on Lawrence coming to CB. It was stated at the last trade deadline that CB would keep the SJ 1st in '24. It wouldn't make much sense for the Eagles to move the 11th or 19th pick for a 20 this year. I don't see Lawrence being dealt for anything less. Who knows what the deal is. But many have heard it so I expect something to happen. We also had zero reason to move an 18yr old Trenholm and those players tend to bring back huge returns so maybe after Desnoyers wasn't available SJ came to us and agreed to overpay and we get Lawrence at a discount. They can still move Trenholm for a good haul as a 19yr old lets not forget. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 9:41:06 GMT -4
If we hang on to the 2024 1st as part of this deal, the trade is going to go down as a great move. Trenholm has a lot to prove in this league before he is moved for a good haul as a 19 year old. The analytics just don't add up yet..we'll see, maybe he has a great mem cup and he is able to kick start from there.
My fear is that St.John has already overpaid in this deal, so as pieces fall in place we end up overpaying for Lawrence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 9:57:34 GMT -4
Assuming Lawrence is a done deal and Biakabutuka on the back end...we would need to lose Ivan to get him. The price would have to be really good... and with 3 teams chasing him, he will cost more then we need to spend. I agree, if Lawrence and Biakabutuka end up here and assuming we get our guy third overall in the import draft and Ivan is done here I'd rather keep Camp or Rodzinski as the 3rd 20yo.
I mean it's not like we're expecting to contend next season so why spend more assets then we're already giving up in the Lawrence and Biakabutuka trades to strengthen the 20's when a Lawrence, Biakabutuka, Camp combo or a Lawrence, Biakabutuka and Rodzinski combo would be efficient enough as 20's With everything I have seen from Camp, the more I feel he would be a good fit as a 20. Bring in one "high end" 20 forward, let's assume it's Lawrence and then you have Camp who can play up and down your line up, wing or center. He's a tremendous leader on and off the ice, a solid student which sets a great example for the young guys and most importantly he would embrace his role. The back end is soooo crowded, just no room for 2, 20's. Now of course this all contingent on Ivan Ivan. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 16, 2022 10:00:49 GMT -4
If we hang on to the 2024 1st as part of this deal, the trade is going to go down as a great move. Trenholm has a lot to prove in this league before he is moved for a good haul as a 19 year old. The analytics just don't add up yet..we'll see, maybe he has a great mem cup and he is able to kick start from there. My fear is that St.John has already overpaid in this deal, so as pieces fall in place we end up overpaying for Lawrence. Whatever we're paying is already decided. They really wanted Trenholm. Role players like him are hard to find, especially ones who may have 2 more full years in the league. I think they still get a good return on him from a contender as a 19yr old. The deal on paper was: Trenholm 2nd 2023 3rd 2022 3rd 2023 3rd 2024 for McCluskey Savoie 1st 2024 2nd 2023 3rd 2024 7th 2024 8th 2024 If we send back the 2nd and 3rd for Lawrence its Trenholm, 1 2nd, 3 3rds for 1st 2024, McCluskey, Savoie, Lawrence, 7th, 8th. I dont think thats so far fetched considering SJ was the buyer and we would have no reason to want to move Trenholm. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 10:13:18 GMT -4
If we hang on to the 2024 1st as part of this deal, the trade is going to go down as a great move. Trenholm has a lot to prove in this league before he is moved for a good haul as a 19 year old. The analytics just don't add up yet..we'll see, maybe he has a great mem cup and he is able to kick start from there. My fear is that St.John has already overpaid in this deal, so as pieces fall in place we end up overpaying for Lawrence. Whatever we're paying is already decided. They really wanted Trenholm. Role players like him are hard to find, especially ones who may have 2 more full years in the league. I think they still get a good return on him from a contender as a 19yr old. The deal on paper was: Trenholm 2nd 2023 3rd 2022 3rd 2023 3rd 2024 for McCluskey Savoie 1st 2024 2nd 2023 3rd 2024 7th 2024 8th 2024 If we send back the 2nd and 3rd for Lawrence its Trenholm, 1 2nd, 3 3rds for 1st 2024, McCluskey, Savoie, Lawrence, 7th, 8th. I dont think thats so far fetched considering SJ was the buyer and we would have no reason to want to move Trenholm. If this plays out as is indicated, it's a great deal. We need the bodies to eat mins, while the kids develop and we could turn the 1st into something far more valuable when it is most needed. BTW, I don't want to knock Trenholm's game, he is a great kid and yes a role player....but the league if full of guys that can skate and play that role.... I have been watching Connor for a long time and if he can figure out how to use the players around him, he will make a huge jump forward, to date we have not seen that. Hoping he has a big Mem Cup!!! |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 16, 2022 11:24:28 GMT -4
Whatever we're paying is already decided. They really wanted Trenholm. Role players like him are hard to find, especially ones who may have 2 more full years in the league. I think they still get a good return on him from a contender as a 19yr old. The deal on paper was: Trenholm 2nd 2023 3rd 2022 3rd 2023 3rd 2024 for McCluskey Savoie 1st 2024 2nd 2023 3rd 2024 7th 2024 8th 2024 If we send back the 2nd and 3rd for Lawrence its Trenholm, 1 2nd, 3 3rds for 1st 2024, McCluskey, Savoie, Lawrence, 7th, 8th. I dont think thats so far fetched considering SJ was the buyer and we would have no reason to want to move Trenholm. If this plays out as is indicated, it's a great deal. We need the bodies to eat mins, while the kids develop and we could turn the 1st into something far more valuable when it is most needed. BTW, I don't want to knock Trenholm's game, he is a great kid and yes a role player....but the league if full of guys that can skate and play that role.... I have been watching Connor for a long time and if he can figure out how to use the players around him, he will make a huge jump forward, to date we have not seen that. The fact he was only 18 and a part of our leadership group here and we had no reason to want to move on from a solid hard working character kid like that helped to inflate the return a bit. SJ could return him as captain for the following 2 seasons. I think they get a good return on him as a 19yr old likely returning as an overager which means whoever acquires him at 19 could even move him as an overager. I can see him being a great fit in Halifax this upcoming season with all the skill they have. |
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 16, 2022 13:04:58 GMT -4
If this plays out as is indicated, it's a great deal. We need the bodies to eat mins, while the kids develop and we could turn the 1st into something far more valuable when it is most needed. BTW, I don't want to knock Trenholm's game, he is a great kid and yes a role player....but the league if full of guys that can skate and play that role.... I have been watching Connor for a long time and if he can figure out how to use the players around him, he will make a huge jump forward, to date we have not seen that. The fact he was only 18 and a part of our leadership group here and we had no reason to want to move on from a solid hard working character kid like that helped to inflate the return a bit. SJ could return him as captain for the following 2 seasons. I think they get a good return on him as a 19yr old likely returning as an overager which means whoever acquires him at 19 could even move him as an overager. I can see him being a great fit in Halifax this upcoming season with all the skill they have. I think you are overestimating SJ's depth lol Right now, if Lawrence is headed to Cape Breton, SJ would have: MacDonald Trenholm Reynolds a 20 After that, the depth drops to guys like Burbidge, Elie, Simard, and Laforge. This isn't really a team that can afford to trade away a decent 19 (unless SJ can somehow get enough assets back from excess 20s to insulate better). |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 16, 2022 13:23:05 GMT -4
The fact he was only 18 and a part of our leadership group here and we had no reason to want to move on from a solid hard working character kid like that helped to inflate the return a bit. SJ could return him as captain for the following 2 seasons. I think they get a good return on him as a 19yr old likely returning as an overager which means whoever acquires him at 19 could even move him as an overager. I can see him being a great fit in Halifax this upcoming season with all the skill they have. I think you are overestimating SJ's depth lol Right now, if Lawrence is headed to Cape Breton, SJ would have: MacDonald Trenholm Reynolds a 20 After that, the depth drops to guys like Burbidge, Elie, Simard, and Laforge. This isn't really a team that can afford to trade away a decent 19 (unless SJ can somehow get enough assets back from excess 20s to insulate better). No, I see the depth issues. But they also have asset issues after loading up and a good 19yr old might fetch the best return in terms of future assets. You could get a couple of picks and a Trenholm overage replacement as a future and just lose 3 months of Trenholm. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 16, 2022 13:24:47 GMT -4
Whatever we're paying is already decided. They really wanted Trenholm. Role players like him are hard to find, especially ones who may have 2 more full years in the league. I think they still get a good return on him from a contender as a 19yr old. The deal on paper was: Trenholm 2nd 2023 3rd 2022 3rd 2023 3rd 2024 for McCluskey Savoie 1st 2024 2nd 2023 3rd 2024 7th 2024 8th 2024 If we send back the 2nd and 3rd for Lawrence its Trenholm, 1 2nd, 3 3rds for 1st 2024, McCluskey, Savoie, Lawrence, 7th, 8th. I dont think thats so far fetched considering SJ was the buyer and we would have no reason to want to move Trenholm. If this plays out as is indicated, it's a great deal. We need the bodies to eat mins, while the kids develop and we could turn the 1st into something far more valuable when it is most needed. BTW, I don't want to knock Trenholm's game, he is a great kid and yes a role player....but the league if full of guys that can skate and play that role.... I have been watching Connor for a long time and if he can figure out how to use the players around him, he will make a huge jump forward, to date we have not seen that. Hoping he has a big Mem Cup!!! Yeah and i'm not saying that IS the deal. Could be more going both ways for all I know. But looking at the original deal those pieces fit and we have nothing else to do but toss out theories and speculation until news starts coming in  |
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Post by gocapebreton on Jun 16, 2022 13:50:21 GMT -4
If this plays out as is indicated, it's a great deal. We need the bodies to eat mins, while the kids develop and we could turn the 1st into something far more valuable when it is most needed. BTW, I don't want to knock Trenholm's game, he is a great kid and yes a role player....but the league if full of guys that can skate and play that role.... I have been watching Connor for a long time and if he can figure out how to use the players around him, he will make a huge jump forward, to date we have not seen that. Hoping he has a big Mem Cup!!! Yeah and i'm not saying that IS the deal. Could be more going both ways for all I know. But looking at the original deal those pieces fit and we have nothing else to do but toss out theories and speculation until news starts coming in  That deal certainly has the appearance of futures. It certainly would be a sweet pickup for CB. That said, I would be highly surprised if it's Lawrence. Lawrence and Guay will potentially be the top two 20 y/o point producers next season. But, as you said, they came knocking on the door for Trenholm, so who knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 14:32:36 GMT -4
A little pre-mature...but I will give it a go...as a potential start to the season. I am assuming Langlois is moved at the draft.
Ivan Lawrence Squires
Trade for Langlois Repcik Savoie
MacDonald Patterson Ouellette
McClusky Bell Canning
2021 Draft pick Fletcher or Lochead
Shortall Squires
Buteau Biakabutuka
Perron Lavoie
Daigle
Ruccia
Delafontaine
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Post by hal on Jun 16, 2022 17:26:01 GMT -4
The fact he was only 18 and a part of our leadership group here and we had no reason to want to move on from a solid hard working character kid like that helped to inflate the return a bit. SJ could return him as captain for the following 2 seasons. I think they get a good return on him as a 19yr old likely returning as an overager which means whoever acquires him at 19 could even move him as an overager. I can see him being a great fit in Halifax this upcoming season with all the skill they have. I think you are overestimating SJ's depth lol Right now, if Lawrence is headed to Cape Breton, SJ would have: MacDonald Trenholm Reynolds a 20 After that, the depth drops to guys like Burbidge, Elie, Simard, and Laforge. This isn't really a team that can afford to trade away a decent 19 (unless SJ can somehow get enough assets back from excess 20s to insulate better). Wouldn't Trenholm be a 19 ? |
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Post by eagleeye on Jun 16, 2022 17:53:37 GMT -4
no Squires on defence he's going to get bumped
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Post by classiccaper on Jun 16, 2022 18:13:19 GMT -4
A little pre-mature...but I will give it a go...as a potential start to the season. I am assuming Langlois is moved at the draft. Ivan Lawrence Squires Trade for Langlois Repcik Savoie MacDonald Patterson Ouellette McClusky Bell Canning 2021 Draft pick Fletcher or Lochead Shortall Squires Buteau Biakabutuka Perron Lavoie Daigle Ruccia Delafontaine im thinking ivan wont be back, thinking we take a goalie with one of our 2nd rounders and move a goalie at the draft. Also with so many picks in the 1st/2nd round, you gotta think that more then just 2 players make the team next year. I can see canning being moved for pennies on the dollar for a change of scenary type of thing. |
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Post by justathought on Jun 16, 2022 19:09:50 GMT -4
I haven't seen Preston Pattengale's name mentioned as a D candidate.
When does trading period begin?
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