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Post by blueeagle on Dec 27, 2022 17:27:35 GMT -4
Will someone please update and post our remaing draft picks for the next 3 years. I don't have the stomach. I got the same as JEagle. Still somehow 8 picks in the first 2 rounds of 23 & 24, with 4 1sts, but now I wouldn't bet against them being used in an attempt to buy our way to contending in 24/25...
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Post by sherwood1020 on Dec 27, 2022 17:28:54 GMT -4
Honestly it would’ve made sense for Halifax to go after Schmitt considering they’re targeting 2 years but I bet they seen that price and said no…. Schmitt is good, but the price paid is a price we see on most BIG name players, I see Schmitt as a number 3/4 guy on a contender, not a 1/2 and you’s paid a 1/2 type price…it’s still possible he’s amazing as an OA and could prove us all wrong but right now it’s steep for sure. Sly still has a lot in the bank to make a strong team but having a high amount of high picks doesn’t mean just toss them at everything, you still need to be smart with trades.. This is my thought as well, 1st round pick plus 3 2nds could have gotten us multiple pieces to put together in our cycle instead of 1 (maybe) good D.
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 27, 2022 17:32:44 GMT -4
Honestly it would’ve made sense for Halifax to go after Schmitt considering they’re targeting 2 years but I bet they seen that price and said no…. Schmitt is good, but the price paid is a price we see on most BIG name players, I see Schmitt as a number 3/4 guy on a contender, not a 1/2 and you’s paid a 1/2 type price…it’s still possible he’s amazing as an OA and could prove us all wrong but right now it’s steep for sure. Sly still has a lot in the bank to make a strong team but having a high amount of high picks doesn’t mean just toss them at everything, you still need to be smart with trades.. Yeah this is exactly the way I see it pretty much. Paid a 1st pairing price now for what will probably be a 1st pairing player later. It's not a write off, but surely it's better to keep your powder dry and stay flexible. And even if it turns out he's a stud at 20, it's still an overpay Edit - we've also practically handed Blainville most of their rebuild. A 1st, 4 2nds, and a 3rd. Wonder if they target the same year as us..
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Post by eagleeye on Dec 27, 2022 18:00:11 GMT -4
AND Blainville GOT A FIRST AND SECOND FROM hALIFAX
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Post by Citris on Dec 27, 2022 18:21:45 GMT -4
AND Blainville GOT A FIRST AND SECOND FROM hALIFAX Assuming you mean from the Lawrence trade? The Armada have done an outstanding job so far. They've added - 1st 2023 (GAT) 1st 2024 (HAL) 1st 2024 (CAP) 2nd 2023 (HAL) 2nd 2023 (VIC) 2nd 2023 (VDO) 2nd 2024 (BLB) 2nd 2025 (BLB) 3rd 2023 (VIC) James Swan (2004) that's a hell of a start to a rebuild.
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 27, 2022 19:08:00 GMT -4
Well at least it’s another high character guy added to the dressing room to provide leadership since he did wear the C for the Armada.. I’m being a bit facetious but I seriously wonder, how much if any of that went into the price Sly was willing to pay since there’s such an emphasis on adding veterans and leadership to the dressing room/back end.
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Post by eagleeye on Dec 27, 2022 19:08:22 GMT -4
WE HAVE IN 2023 1ST AND ROUND 2 SAG VOLTS,and seadogs, i guess to replace our C LANGLOSIS
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Post by howitzer on Dec 27, 2022 20:37:45 GMT -4
Young teams need vets, leadership. But not at that cost. The point CB is at, they should be shopping in the bargain bins for these guys. Not paying xmas premium ++ prices.
Also, its ok to trade picks. You can't use them all. But why so many, and why now? Again, where CB is in their cycle, they should be leveraging top picks at draft time, when teams are desperate. Instead, CB is acting desperate.
They've had two good drafts, some major building blocks are in place, let it play out a bit. If this was next year, and they wanted to push things along a bit, I could see the reasoning. But now is not the time to be trading 4 top picks for a character defenseman.
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Post by Citris on Dec 27, 2022 20:52:37 GMT -4
If Schmitt wanted out and to play closer to home who's the real competition in that bidding war?
I'm sure Halifax had a bit of interest, Charlottetown as well, but neither were willing to spend the assets.
Moncton would be a wildcard in there and would make a lot of sense... was that what drove up the price?
I understand it's 2.5 years of a defenseman who's been a Captain in the QMJHL and is a top 4 guy at worst who can run a PP... but damn. The 1st I can see, the 1st and a 2nd I can see. But when he asked for a trade and you're paying a price like he's an NHL 1st rounder...
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Post by sherwood1020 on Dec 27, 2022 20:52:51 GMT -4
Young teams need vets, leadership. But not at that cost. The point CB is at, they should be shopping in the bargain bins for these guys. Not paying xmas premium ++ prices. Also, its ok to trade picks. You can't use them all. But why so many, and why now? Again, where CB is in their cycle, they should be leveraging top picks at draft time, when teams are desperate. Instead, CB is acting desperate. They've had two good drafts, some major building blocks are in place, let it play out a bit. If this was next year, and they wanted to push things along a bit, I could see the reasoning. But now is not the time to be trading 4 top picks for a character defenseman. 2 trades come to mind: Simon Hughes goes to CHA for 2 4ths (2020 2nd) Lane Hinkley to CHA for Simard and 3rd (2020 late first) Jim Hulton got himself 2 potential 2.5 year players with league experience already for an 18 year old "prospect" and 3 Draft picks none greater than a 3rd. I understand that there is a clear window in place and that the 2004s/2005s we have acquired fit our cycle, and at some point we are going to spend the draft capital. Buy why now, and why such a high price for the guys coming in, when the guys going out aren't matching those returns?
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Post by eagleeye on Dec 27, 2022 22:32:30 GMT -4
YES sherwood1020 we didn't get what we should of for OUR captain so far
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Post by JEagle on Dec 27, 2022 22:52:51 GMT -4
Is it just me or is there a higher than normal amount of players requesting trades this trade period?
Thomas Desruisseaux Brayden Schmitt Jude Campbell Lane Hinkley
Are just a few that have requested trades.
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Post by eagleeye on Dec 27, 2022 23:16:34 GMT -4
hockey canada said give the kids what they want
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 28, 2022 0:45:16 GMT -4
Young teams need vets, leadership. But not at that cost. The point CB is at, they should be shopping in the bargain bins for these guys. Not paying xmas premium ++ prices. Also, its ok to trade picks. You can't use them all. But why so many, and why now? Again, where CB is in their cycle, they should be leveraging top picks at draft time, when teams are desperate. Instead, CB is acting desperate. They've had two good drafts, some major building blocks are in place, let it play out a bit. If this was next year, and they wanted to push things along a bit, I could see the reasoning. But now is not the time to be trading 4 top picks for a character defenseman. Which is what people have been saying but somehow the Biggar move was “justified” by fans because of the things he brings in the locker room and the fact they need experience on the back end. Like you said, you acquire that on the cheap when you’re a team in the situation Cape Breton is in. You don’t go paying a premium. While the moves are baffling and don’t make sense as a rebuilding team, it’s becoming quite clear they don’t view themselves as a rebuilding team. They want to ice a competitive winning product as soon as possible. While I still don’t think it makes any sense to do what they’re doing, it makes a lot more sense when you consider the guys steering the ship have no intention of rebuilding the right way or probably even know how to do that type of rebuild. I feel bad for the fans of Cape Breton because this is headed down a path they’re all too familiar with, buying from the middle of the pack to try and get a winner because the guys running the operation don’t have the patience necessary to let things play out in a league that turns players over every 5 years.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 28, 2022 2:37:08 GMT -4
This is a tough day. One of the lowest I can remember. We've essentially abandoned a rebuild that really started picking #1 overall just 6 months ago. The building blocks were in place....as long as we had just a small bit of patience to get over this last hump all signs were there to keep rebuilding properly and start seeing some results next year.
The complete short sighted lack of patience to drive dozens of seat sales now and next year vs rebuilding the fan base with the youth and going for bigger commitments for 24-25/25-26 as the team turned toward a contender is absolutely deflating. The table was set here. Future picks in place to keep the farm system producing talent with vets to move now and have 1 last big sale while our 1st rounders got ice time. But we even had to move one of them before the calendar turned to a new year.
I see lots of talk how this does line up with the core as it's acquiring a 20 for 24-25. Which assumes the player wants to be here 2.5 years. Assumes the player we just paid top dollar for is a returning 19yr old which begs the question of why to pay the price if the player has those flaws. Our 2024 pick is a question mark. But the combo of the 4 picks means we moved 4 top 30 picks basically for this player.
Halifax acquired 2 20's this year...proven talent...an elite #1 C and the leagues 2nd leading scorer. Cost: 18yr old former 2nd rounder, 1st 23 and 24, 2nd 23 and 24, 3rd 23. We traded 4 top assets for an 18yr old we think could be a 20. A stud 20 costs 2-3 top assets and 1 of those is your contending year 1st....everyone can draw their own conclusions as to which team is managing things better.
These people are leaving this fan base in a position to either support the worst managed team in the CHL or blame themselves for losing their hockey team.
I hope it works. What other choice do we have?
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