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Post by coleminer on Feb 21, 2023 12:06:06 GMT -4
As someone pointed out, I don’t get what is historic about a rich man deal, but I suppose it could be historic of the new owner is awful.
As far as concerns about meddling, Bobby Smith meddled all the time.
I would assume the new owner would want his own personal but who knows.
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Post by coleminer on Feb 21, 2023 12:09:02 GMT -4
Maybe the trade deadline acquisitions was to make the team look good to potential buyers.
I would assume tickers prices will have to go up by a bigger amount than usual, the new owner will want to get their money back.
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Post by Reesor on Feb 21, 2023 12:12:20 GMT -4
Maybe the trade deadline acquisitions was to make the team look good to potential buyers. I would assume tickers prices will have to go up by a bigger amount than usual, the new owner will want to get their money back. You don't make an investment to rush to get your money back. If the group's worth is over 1 billion, they aren't concerned short term and are making this investment to make money long term. My hope is that they make this purchase now, and then do things to make the franchise worth a crap ton more. Things like modernize the Scotiabank Center or think about collaborating to build a new rink to attract more fans and more events. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 21, 2023 12:15:07 GMT -4
I get the team pushing it as "historic" - they are their own brand and can market it as they see fit.
Eastlink's over-the-top hype for the team announcing an ownership change was kind of pathetic. I just felt their involvement meant something coming with a big Eastlink sponsorship of some sort....to now see it all in hindsight they look really amateur coming out of this to me. This was "special announcement" worthy in that its not like they're interrupting highly viewed programming at 11am but the added theatrics were not at all needed.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Feb 21, 2023 12:17:36 GMT -4
A super rich family from Michigan, buying a CHL team in the Maritimes - I do worry about how much they will understand this market, both the hockey and the people.
But if they do good things, and we see results on the ice, great. I am a bit skeptical on the surface though. Wait and see.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 21, 2023 12:21:47 GMT -4
A super rich family from Michigan, buying a CHL team in the Maritimes - I do worry about how much they will understand this market, both the hockey and the people. But if they do good things, and we see results on the ice, great. I am a bit skeptical on the surface though. Wait and see. Seems inevitable that there will be some speed bumps early on as the new guys inevitably make the wrong decision or 2 and need to learn from experience. You're fortunate if Russell sticks around as he should command the respect of any new owner due to his resume. Having someone with solid knowledge of how this league works and how to properly execute rebuilds, contending seasons, etc is huge when there's a change at the very top. We all know where CB has gone wrong in these areas since making their own change. I can't see someone buying the Mooseheads making the same financial or personnel mistakes when hiring key roles within hockey ops. |
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Post by trueblue on Feb 21, 2023 12:27:36 GMT -4
I put this in the other thread, but if the new owners' resources are used correctly - they have every bit of potential to turn this franchise into the London Knights or the Portland Winterhawks of the QMJHL. Let's keep track of the team's "recruitment" (especially Americans and Euros) over these next few years  . |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 21, 2023 12:29:30 GMT -4
I put this in the other thread, but if the new owners' resources are used correctly - they have every bit of potential to turn this franchise into the London Knights or the Portland Winterhawks of the QMJHL. Let's keep track of the team's "recruitment" (especially Americans and Euros) over this next few years . The problem with that is the Q's financial limitations and the image is still has in the northeastern US where college is king. Halifax already might be as good as you're going to get in terms of a Q teams ability to dominate. The league keeps making it harder on them to bring in the good players. |
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Post by Reesor on Feb 21, 2023 12:30:09 GMT -4
A super rich family from Michigan, buying a CHL team in the Maritimes - I do worry about how much they will understand this market, both the hockey and the people. But if they do good things, and we see results on the ice, great. I am a bit skeptical on the surface though. Wait and see. Seems inevitable that there will be some speed bumps early on as the new guys inevitably make the wrong decision or 2 and need to learn from experience. You're fortunate if Russell sticks around as he should command the respect of any new owner due to his resume. Having someone with solid knowledge of how this league works and how to properly execute rebuilds, contending seasons, etc is huge when there's a change at the very top. We all know where CB has gone wrong in these areas since making their own change. I can't see someone buying the Mooseheads making the same financial or personnel mistakes when hiring key roles within hockey ops. The hope is that the Moose have enough personnel between the ownership group and the hockey operations group that the owners shouldn't really have to have a hand in any part of the day-to-day operations of the team. Brian Urquhart is the President and he should be that barrier. Plus the Mooseheads don't need fixing. It's not like a new owner is coming in and putting an ultimatum down for ticket sales or anything. The new ownership group could go to sleep and wake up with more money. I'm sure they will be looking at ways to make more money, but as long as the status quo is kept and the hockey side continues to operate like it has been, making money won't be an issue. As Moose fans we're extremely fortunate to be in a market where that is the case. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 21, 2023 12:32:11 GMT -4
Seems inevitable that there will be some speed bumps early on as the new guys inevitably make the wrong decision or 2 and need to learn from experience. You're fortunate if Russell sticks around as he should command the respect of any new owner due to his resume. Having someone with solid knowledge of how this league works and how to properly execute rebuilds, contending seasons, etc is huge when there's a change at the very top. We all know where CB has gone wrong in these areas since making their own change. I can't see someone buying the Mooseheads making the same financial or personnel mistakes when hiring key roles within hockey ops. The hope is that the Moose have enough personnel between the ownership group and the hockey operations group that the owners shouldn't really have to have a hand in any part of the day-to-day operations of the team. Brian Urquhart is the President and he should be that barrier. Plus the Mooseheads don't need fixing. It's not like a new owner is coming in and putting an ultimatum down for ticket sales or anything. The new ownership group could go to sleep and wake up with more money. I'm sure they will be looking at ways to make more money, but as long as the status quo is kept and the hockey side continues to operate like it has been, making money won't be an issue. As Moose fans we're extremely luck and fortunate to be in a market where that is the case. Unfortunately, in most cases, a new owner taking over will want to put his fingerprints on the team. As we see in other sports ventures, guys with business success always think they can bring it to sports and throw their weight around. |
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Post by trueblue on Feb 21, 2023 12:45:29 GMT -4
I put this in the other thread, but if the new owners' resources are used correctly - they have every bit of potential to turn this franchise into the London Knights or the Portland Winterhawks of the QMJHL. Let's keep track of the team's "recruitment" (especially Americans and Euros) over this next few years . The problem with that is the Q's financial limitations and the image is still has in the northeastern US where college is king. Halifax already might be as good as you're going to get in terms of a Q teams ability to dominate. The league keeps making it harder on them to bring in the good players. At the end of the day cash is the real king, rules be damned - as we've learned with those two teams I mentioned (plus Windsor). And even if the recruitment is stagnant (nullifying my second point), the fact is the new ownership has a great opportunity to capitalize on the huge population boom that is happening in the HRM right now. |
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Post by Reesor on Feb 21, 2023 12:52:19 GMT -4
The hope is that the Moose have enough personnel between the ownership group and the hockey operations group that the owners shouldn't really have to have a hand in any part of the day-to-day operations of the team. Brian Urquhart is the President and he should be that barrier. Plus the Mooseheads don't need fixing. It's not like a new owner is coming in and putting an ultimatum down for ticket sales or anything. The new ownership group could go to sleep and wake up with more money. I'm sure they will be looking at ways to make more money, but as long as the status quo is kept and the hockey side continues to operate like it has been, making money won't be an issue. As Moose fans we're extremely luck and fortunate to be in a market where that is the case. Unfortunately, in most cases, a new owner taking over will want to put his fingerprints on the team. As we see in other sports ventures, guys with business success always think they can bring it to sports and throw their weight around. Not much I can say to counter that. Just have to hope they realize how well the Mooseheads are run and let the people who run the team, run the team. Even Bobby Smith impacted day-to-day business, so we'll have to see what these folks do. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 21, 2023 12:58:37 GMT -4
The problem with that is the Q's financial limitations and the image is still has in the northeastern US where college is king. Halifax already might be as good as you're going to get in terms of a Q teams ability to dominate. The league keeps making it harder on them to bring in the good players. At the end of the day cash is the real king, rules be damned - as we've learned with those two teams I mentioned (plus Windsor). And even if the recruitment is stagnant (nullifying my second point), the fact is the new ownership has a great opportunity to capitalize on the huge population boom that is happening in the HRM right now. The rules are you can't spend the cash. So as much as it may "be damned" the reality is your commissioner and the other QMJHL owners are why players like Eichel never came here and there's been fewer high end Europeans. Do we really think owners like Patrick Roy wouldn't be exploiting every loophole they see if they could? London isn't breaking any rules. They also have a geographic location going for them that puts them in a great position to draw from US states they own the rights to. Halifax is never going to be London without a lot of rule changes. |
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Post by moosefan1994 on Feb 21, 2023 13:29:51 GMT -4
Weird - if somebody was to have told me back in 2009 there would come a day I would feel some misgiving about Bobby selling the team I would have laughed in their face ….. yet here we are and I don’t feel good about this at all.
I hope the new ownership doesn’t try to “fix” what isn’t broken.
I hope they understand the cycle that goes into building championship teams.
I really hope new ownership doesn’t make the same mistake Bobby did that led into the dark ages of the franchise.
I hope that if there is a learning curve it doesn’t take them as long as it took Bobby to figure it out.
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Post by Roscoe on Feb 21, 2023 13:39:15 GMT -4
Weird - if somebody was to have told me back in 2009 there would come a day I would feel some misgiving about Bobby selling the team I would have laughed in their face ….. yet here we are and I don’t feel good about this at all. I hope the new ownership doesn’t try to “fix” what isn’t broken. I hope they understand the cycle that goes into building championship teams. I really hope new ownership doesn’t make the same mistake Bobby did that led into the dark ages of the franchise. I hope that if there is a learning curve it doesn’t take them as long as it took Bobby to figure it out. I hope this new owner doesn't have a 15 yo son...  |
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