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Post by Captain Obvious on May 10, 2023 16:53:13 GMT -4
I don't see the point in spending blue chip assets to get an OA in a year where they are clearly not contending. Do like Halifax did with Huard, trade a mid round pick for a decent but not expensive OA. I'm ok with moving a 1st but only for a 2-3 year player. Kalmikov was 35 goal scorer that we got for a 3rd round pick. Agree, late 1st for a guy who will play top 6 for 2 or 3 years, not a 1 year OA in a non contending year. |
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2023 Draft
May 10, 2023 19:09:10 GMT -4
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Post by canbeer on May 10, 2023 19:09:10 GMT -4
Trading a first for a 20 would be an awful use of assets for Moncton before they should be going all in the year after next. Sooooo of course probably does happen. Big time...especially on the heels of wat they paid for a mediocre OA in Trenholm. Would your 20s not be Plandowski, Trenholm and Daniels? Nothing wrong with that trio for Moncton next year, I don’t get the Roelens talk. Moncton is losing I think 4 key guys from last year that are good players but in a way more importantly tough to play against… upgrading 20s for a non contender just makes the group harder to lose the next year. If I was Moncton, Halifax is ahead in the cycle and not my goal but rather to build a wall between myself and the 4 others in the division looking to build young and upcoming teams. Stay ahead of them the next few years with a bevy of good young talent, young depth and picks providing flexibility. Trading away seconds and first rd picks could be a young Furlong or Vidicek and even worse it could put those guys on SNB and Bat. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 10, 2023 19:25:33 GMT -4
Big time...especially on the heels of wat they paid for a mediocre OA in Trenholm. Would your 20s not be Plandowski, Trenholm and Daniels? Nothing wrong with that trio for Moncton next year, I don’t get the Roelens talk. Moncton is losing I think 4 key guys from last year that are good players but in a way more importantly tough to play against… upgrading 20s for a non contender just makes the group harder to lose the next year. If I was Moncton, Halifax is ahead in the cycle and not my goal but rather to build a wall between myself and the 4 others in the division looking to build young and upcoming teams. Stay ahead of them the next few years with a bevy of good young talent, young depth and picks providing flexibility. Trading away seconds and first rd picks could be a young Furlong or Vidicek and even worse it could put those guys on SNB and Bat. That's my thought exactly. What has kept the WC from being a top team for more than an "all in" year is trading away assets for quick fixes instead of focusing on drafting and developing, which is the lifeblood of good junior teams. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Jun 1, 2023 4:58:24 GMT -4
According to an article in l'Acadie Nouvelle, the Wildcats are still undecided on who to take 1st overall. A decision will be made after a final round of interviews next week.
Truth or just a play?
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Post by chootoi on Jun 1, 2023 8:41:38 GMT -4
Maybe they are just finalizing their 5'7" third line NCAA bubble forward list.
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 1, 2023 8:49:33 GMT -4
According to an article in l'Acadie Nouvelle, the Wildcats are still undecided on who to take 1st overall. A decision will be made after a final round of interviews next week. Truth or just a play? The only way I could see it being the truth is if someone is in play that is unexpected (or if they are looking at a move involving it). Otherwise, it is just mind games. |
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Post by joehockey on Jun 1, 2023 9:59:10 GMT -4
According to an article in l'Acadie Nouvelle, the Wildcats are still undecided on who to take 1st overall. A decision will be made after a final round of interviews next week. Truth or just a play? The only way I could see it being the truth is if someone is in play that is unexpected (or if they are looking at a move involving it). Otherwise, it is just mind games. Yeah, I’m sure that it is just mind games. They probably want to make it a big question going into the draft to drum up fan interest so they can make a big deal out of it when they pick Desnoyer. Not very exciting when all your fans already know who you plan to pick. |
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Post by jordo999 on Jun 1, 2023 16:58:14 GMT -4
I mean if Moncton wants to big for 2025 maybe something huge happens and they try to get as much possible to prepare for that year
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Jun 1, 2023 18:43:52 GMT -4
According to an article in l'Acadie Nouvelle, the Wildcats are still undecided on who to take 1st overall. A decision will be made after a final round of interviews next week. Truth or just a play? Update! Despite telling l’Acadie Nouvelle the #1 pick wasn’t made, Kevin Barrett of the Times and Transcript is reporting the Wildcats know who they’re taking. What a ride! |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 2, 2023 7:49:51 GMT -4
I mean if Moncton wants to big for 2025 maybe something huge happens and they try to get as much possible to prepare for that year What is hard is, they are not really built for one particular year. Their 2003's are mediocre at best. Their 2004's are solid but not great...Loshing Auger Mueller Marcil Ballentyne Steinman Their 2005's are promising...Morin Grenier Lounsbury Mercier but not deep. Their 2006's are Smith and AFG plus guys with no real Q experience who could be good or nothing. |
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Post by knuckles on Jun 2, 2023 8:18:22 GMT -4
I mean if Moncton wants to big for 2025 maybe something huge happens and they try to get as much possible to prepare for that year What is hard is, they are not really built for one particular year. Their 2003's are mediocre at best. Their 2004's are solid but not great...Loshing Auger Mueller Marcil Ballentyne Steinman Their 2005's are promising...Morin Grenier Lounsbury Mercier but not deep. Their 2006's are Smith and AFG plus guys with no real Q experience who could be good or nothing. Building with the 04s as OAs, 05s as 19yo & 06s as 18yo in a "go for it" year makes the most sense to me currently. Looking at 24/25... 04s - Loshing would probably one of, if not the best OA Fs in the league. No way he plays pro at 20yo with his current frame. Auger is an interesting kid being a late 2004-born (October). Definitely has taken some steps since entering the league, you would hope he can continue to progress forward. Two quality OAs and then you can wait and see with Mueller/Marcil this season, Steinman could present as your #1, will have to see but would be likely at this point. 05s - Morin will be arguably the best DMan in the league by this point. Grenier should progress along and be able to play in your top 4. Lounsbury can play in your top 6, would hope Mercier could by that point also. 06s - Smith should be a monster physically by this point and play in your top 9. AFG is also in your top 4. Based on solely guys you have in your roster, it would appear: F - Loshing (OA), Auger (OA), Lounsbury, Mercier, Smith (Mueller outside looking in) D - Morin, Grenier, AFG (Marcil outside looking in) G - Steinman (OA unless you choose another option). Keep in mind you also need to add two Euros. If you can bring in an Andersson-type 05 DMan with your Euro pick in 2024, a good 05 Euro forward in 2023, all of a sudden things look good without having made a single move. I have no idea what the draft pick situation is outside of the draft coming up, but can likely make something work and particularly with the 07 core (either trading at the draft or using them in a trade) to add a few more quality 05s. Not sure what your prospect situation looks like either, would hope based on the past season that Sampson can slot into your bottom 6 at 18. Lots of hypothetical thinking but I feel you are set up well for 24/25, all things considered. |
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Post by chootoi on Jun 2, 2023 8:27:11 GMT -4
It's really hard to win without top 10 and even top 5 draft talent. That doesn't mean you can't, but it makes it much more difficult in this league. Both the Remps and Moose have 4 top 10 drafted players, alongside other 1st round talent. Right now the Cats have one top10er on the roster - and its Filion. They're lacking game-breaking elite talent and it's very costly to acquire via trade.
You could make the argument that 2023 should be the year they build around with the 1st overall, but that would mean selling now and waiting another 3-4 years to see fruits, of which you may get a 2-3 year run out of it. I don't see Irving being that patient.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 2, 2023 8:30:53 GMT -4
What is hard is, they are not really built for one particular year. Their 2003's are mediocre at best. Their 2004's are solid but not great...Loshing Auger Mueller Marcil Ballentyne Steinman Their 2005's are promising...Morin Grenier Lounsbury Mercier but not deep. Their 2006's are Smith and AFG plus guys with no real Q experience who could be good or nothing. Building with the 04s as OAs, 05s as 19yo & 06s as 18yo in a "go for it" year makes the most sense to me currently. Looking at 24/25... 04s - Loshing would probably one of, if not the best OA Fs in the league. No way he plays pro at 20yo with his current frame. Auger is an interesting kid being a late 2004-born (October). Definitely has taken some steps since entering the league, you would hope he can continue to progress forward. Two quality OAs and then you can wait and see with Mueller/Marcil this season, Steinman could present as your #1, will have to see but would be likely at this point. 05s - Morin will be arguably the best DMan in the league by this point. Grenier should progress along and be able to play in your top 4. Lounsbury can play in your top 6, would hope Mercier could by that point also. 06s - Smith should be a monster physically by this point and play in your top 9. AFG is also in your top 4. Based on solely guys you have in your roster, it would appear: F - Loshing (OA), Auger (OA), Lounsbury, Mercier, Smith (Mueller outside looking in) D - Morin, Grenier, AFG (Marcil outside looking in) G - Steinman (OA unless you choose another option). Keep in mind you also need to add two Euros. If you can bring in an Andersson-type 05 DMan with your Euro pick in 2024, a good 05 Euro forward in 2023, all of a sudden things look good without having made a single move. I have no idea what the draft pick situation is outside of the draft coming up, but can likely make something work and particularly with the 07 core (either trading at the draft or using them in a trade) to add a few more quality 05s. Not sure what your prospect situation looks like either, would hope based on the past season that Sampson can slot into your bottom 6 at 18. Lots of hypothetical thinking but I feel you are set up well for 24/25, all things considered. My main concern with Auger and Loshing as OA's is neither is particularly durable, Loshing averages 55 games a year and Auger about 40. If that is the plan, I would look at adding low cost 2005 and 2006 players with up[side, guys from the Maritimes not happy in their current Quebec home or a high pick who has yet to break out. Do that rather than use the 1st rounders. |
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Post by knuckles on Jun 2, 2023 8:36:06 GMT -4
It's really hard to win without top 10 and even top 5 draft talent. That doesn't mean you can't, but it makes it much more difficult in this league. Both the Remps and Moose have 4 top 10 drafted players, alongside other 1st round talent. Right now the Cats have one top10er on the roster - and its Filion. They're lacking game-breaking elite talent and it's very costly to acquire via trade. You could make the argument that 2023 should be the year they build around with the 1st overall, but that would mean selling now and waiting another 3-4 years to see fruits, of which you may get a 2-3 year run out of it. I don't see Irving being that patient. Having a drafted 07 core that includes Desnoyers & whoever is selected at 13/18 (if you still are picking there) makes them the future you have to sell off for top-end talent. Maybe not as long as a window but then you are not crippled in debt (most likely) in terms of 1st overall, Gauthier & SHE are almost similar where the team is in a go-for-it year when Gauthier is only 17yo. I would be very surprised to see them wait as you indicated. |
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Post by knuckles on Jun 2, 2023 8:38:25 GMT -4
Building with the 04s as OAs, 05s as 19yo & 06s as 18yo in a "go for it" year makes the most sense to me currently. Looking at 24/25... 04s - Loshing would probably one of, if not the best OA Fs in the league. No way he plays pro at 20yo with his current frame. Auger is an interesting kid being a late 2004-born (October). Definitely has taken some steps since entering the league, you would hope he can continue to progress forward. Two quality OAs and then you can wait and see with Mueller/Marcil this season, Steinman could present as your #1, will have to see but would be likely at this point. 05s - Morin will be arguably the best DMan in the league by this point. Grenier should progress along and be able to play in your top 4. Lounsbury can play in your top 6, would hope Mercier could by that point also. 06s - Smith should be a monster physically by this point and play in your top 9. AFG is also in your top 4. Based on solely guys you have in your roster, it would appear: F - Loshing (OA), Auger (OA), Lounsbury, Mercier, Smith (Mueller outside looking in) D - Morin, Grenier, AFG (Marcil outside looking in) G - Steinman (OA unless you choose another option). Keep in mind you also need to add two Euros. If you can bring in an Andersson-type 05 DMan with your Euro pick in 2024, a good 05 Euro forward in 2023, all of a sudden things look good without having made a single move. I have no idea what the draft pick situation is outside of the draft coming up, but can likely make something work and particularly with the 07 core (either trading at the draft or using them in a trade) to add a few more quality 05s. Not sure what your prospect situation looks like either, would hope based on the past season that Sampson can slot into your bottom 6 at 18. Lots of hypothetical thinking but I feel you are set up well for 24/25, all things considered. My main concern with Auger and Loshing as OA's is neither is particularly durable, Loshing averages 55 games a year and Auger about 40. If that is the plan, I would look at adding low cost 2005 and 2006 players with up[side, guys from the Maritimes not happy in their current Quebec home or a high pick who has yet to break out. Do that rather than use the 1st rounders. Fair enough, I think as both continue to develop physically you'll see longer seasons though. Stock pile the 05s (Peddle would be an interesting situation) alongside the Euro draft, I honestly think you're in good shape when you can dangle the 07s as the future. |
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