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Post by coleminer on Mar 16, 2024 10:17:17 GMT -4
You want to make a 5 game suspension really measly… announce it March 1st while he’s still recovering for injury. I don’t see a cover up, they wait until he was healthy and then put the suspension in place. I think these players are allowed to make personal mistakes outside of hockey and be able to maintain at least something that resembles a small semblance of privacy. It’s not in the team’s interest or Dumais for the Moose to drag it on stage for a public execution. They did exactly what I would consider standard practice… Dumais is being punished for an off ice incident and that’s all that we’re going to say. And that’s all that they should say, leave the speeches for behind closed doors when they’re addressing their new team next year and the importance of off ice responsibilities. I also and bumfuzzled that the herald didn’t break this story. Even after the Moose had their release, it was Global News who had the dui release. With the hockey culture issues, it just smells bad for the organization and the Herald who are supposed to be independent reporters. The Herald were late on reporting a similar incident as well, 9 years ago. I won't mention the players incase he has redeemed himself and is having a good life. The Herald are pu s s ies.
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Post by coleminer on Mar 16, 2024 15:05:11 GMT -4
You want to make a 5 game suspension really measly… announce it March 1st while he’s still recovering for injury. I don’t see a cover up, they wait until he was healthy and then put the suspension in place. I think these players are allowed to make personal mistakes outside of hockey and be able to maintain at least something that resembles a small semblance of privacy. It’s not in the team’s interest or Dumais for the Moose to drag it on stage for a public execution. They did exactly what I would consider standard practice… Dumais is being punished for an off ice incident and that’s all that we’re going to say. And that’s all that they should say, leave the speeches for behind closed doors when they’re addressing their new team next year and the importance of off ice responsibilities. So if he fired off a gun in downtown Halifax, you are ok with 5 games? Bro, his name is 'canbeer'. Come on now.
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Post by Roscoe on Mar 16, 2024 18:54:14 GMT -4
In every interview of Dumais that's been posted in the last two years he comes across as sullen and disinterested.
This DUI is simply part of his recent behaviour - not wanting to return to Halifax with the bright pro hockey lights in sight...
At the very least he's lost a ton of $$ in endorcements- at worst he is toxic to CBJ.
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Post by Murph on Mar 16, 2024 19:04:27 GMT -4
The whole reason DUI is even a thing is because alcohol impairs your judgment. So saying that he needs to make better decisions and knew better etc etc applies to SOBER Jordan Dumais. Not the drunk version whose decision making is compromised. Liquor is new to the kids this age and you’re gonna see them make stupid decisions. It happens a lot but you don’t hear about it because they’re not a public figure. Kids are gonna screw up. He’s not the first and won’t be the last. Let him wear the consequences through the court system, same as any other teenager would and let those consequences spill into his “job” same as you or I. The big fuck up here in my opinion is the Mooseheads. 1- the 5 games seems light and looks tailored to the playoffs. Similar infractions in the OHL and WHL have fallen into the 10-12 game range. 2- the Mooseheads knew about the incident on March 1st. But did nothing publicly for two weeks. Had they suspended Dumas indefinitely pending an investigation, they could’ve given him the same 10-12 game suspension and still not affected the playoffs. Much better look. The way it’s perceived now is the team tried for two weeks to get the crown the squash the charges. 3- 99% of kids who become drinking age are going to experiment and test their limits when it comes to alcohol.The Mooseheads players hit those ages during their tenure and the team needs to be more proactive here to ensure player and public safety. There have been 3 public incidents in my recent memory but anybody who follows or is connected to junior hockey knows there’s a whole lot more incidents we never hear about. Property damage in hotels, damage to billet homes, drunk driving where nobody gets caught or perhaps a cop who’s a fan of the team escorts the player home (this has happened at least twice to my knowledge, once in 1999 and once in 2008). Like I said above, once the drinking starts, the players judgement no longer can be trusted. However if the Mooseheads had a program where the players can be up front of their plans, have team paid transportation arranged in advance so these situations are avoided seems like an easy step. This is super easy to do now with apps and ride shares. A bigger budget team like Halifax really has no excuse for implementing something like this. You can't suspend somebody that is still injured he was not active on March 1st yesterdays game was the first game that he was activated. The team can absolutely suspend someone who’s injured. It’s not a league suspension. He can be suspended I definitely and removed from team activities pending the investigation. If the league suspended him then his suspension wouldn’t begin until he was ready to play games. Then the games start coming off the total.
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Post by randohockeyguy on Mar 17, 2024 1:04:37 GMT -4
You can't suspend somebody that is still injured he was not active on March 1st yesterdays game was the first game that he was activated. The team can absolutely suspend someone who’s injured. It’s not a league suspension. He can be suspended I definitely and removed from team activities pending the investigation. If the league suspended him then his suspension wouldn’t begin until he was ready to play games. Then the games start coming off the total. That’s what happened …. He was in the car with three other players coming back from casino they missed curfew so billets reported it to moose and such other players were handled internally and Dumais got the league suspension starting when he was supposed to play once the news was announced league wide ..
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Post by Penguins23® on Mar 17, 2024 5:51:51 GMT -4
The team can absolutely suspend someone who’s injured. It’s not a league suspension. He can be suspended I definitely and removed from team activities pending the investigation. If the league suspended him then his suspension wouldn’t begin until he was ready to play games. Then the games start coming off the total. That’s what happened …. He was in the car with three other players coming back from casino they missed curfew so billets reported it to moose and such other players were handled internally and Dumais got the league suspension starting when he was supposed to play once the news was announced league wide .. It's a team suspension. A league suspension would be on the Q site. chl.ca/lhjmq/en/suspensions-and-fines-2023-24/
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Post by fabi1309 on Mar 17, 2024 9:43:08 GMT -4
That’s what happened …. He was in the car with three other players coming back from casino they missed curfew so billets reported it to moose and such other players were handled internally and Dumais got the league suspension starting when he was supposed to play once the news was announced league wide .. It's a team suspension. A league suspension would be on the Q site. chl.ca/lhjmq/en/suspensions-and-fines-2023-24/It will most likely have been coordinated with the league tho. I wouldn’t be surprised if it has to do with league suspensions being more serious than team suspensions or maybe league suspensions are on a players record longer? At the end of the day, the Q’s best interest is Dumai becoming a star player in the NHL.
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Post by coleminer on Mar 17, 2024 11:39:34 GMT -4
In every interview of Dumais that's been posted in the last two years he comes across as sullen and disinterested. This DUI is simply part of his recent behaviour - not wanting to return to Halifax with the bright pro hockey lights in sight... At the very least he's lost a ton of $$ in endorcements- at worst he is toxic to CBJ. There can be many reasons someone is sullen and disrespectful. Let’s not jump to conclusions. We aren’t psychologists.
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Post by coleminer on Mar 17, 2024 11:40:44 GMT -4
The team can absolutely suspend someone who’s injured. It’s not a league suspension. He can be suspended I definitely and removed from team activities pending the investigation. If the league suspended him then his suspension wouldn’t begin until he was ready to play games. Then the games start coming off the total. That’s what happened …. He was in the car with three other players coming back from casino they missed curfew so billets reported it to moose and such other players were handled internally and Dumais got the league suspension starting when he was supposed to play once the news was announced league wide .. Imagine having a great relationship with your billets and then they have to squeel on the 19 year old adult. Awkward.
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Post by jimmy on Mar 17, 2024 11:55:13 GMT -4
That’s what happened …. He was in the car with three other players coming back from casino they missed curfew so billets reported it to moose and such other players were handled internally and Dumais got the league suspension starting when he was supposed to play once the news was announced league wide .. Imagine having a great relationship with your billets and then they have to squeel on the 19 year old adult. Awkward. Not sure about this take ... presumably if everyone makes it home to bed a little late it never comes to light - but once one of the guys got himself arrested after curfew, I am sure the team put the press on to figure out what he was up to, who he was with, etc. The billets may not report every minor transgression to the team, but I doubt many of them would outright lie to cover for their player when being asked questions. I don't completely disagree with your point about it being awkward, but the billets fill a role as surrogate parents, not just as friends. Anyone who is a parent can relate that sometimes the decision that is in the best interest of your child is not one they will like you for.
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Post by coleminer on Mar 17, 2024 12:05:27 GMT -4
Imagine having a great relationship with your billets and then they have to squeel on the 19 year old adult. Awkward. Not sure about this take ... presumably if everyone makes it home to bed a little late it never comes to light - but once one of the guys got himself arrested after curfew, I am sure the team put the press on to figure out what he was up to, who he was with, etc. The billets may not report every minor transgression to the team, but I doubt many of them would outright lie to cover for their player when being asked questions. I don't completely disagree with your point about it being awkward, but the billets fill a role as surrogate parents, not just as friends. Anyone who is a parent can relate that sometimes the decision that is in the best interest of your child is not one they will like you for. Haha well obviously it is all his fault. My, for lack of a better word “take” still stands. And yes the billets of course work for the team first and foremost. Awkward!
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Post by Score on Mar 17, 2024 17:51:46 GMT -4
Not sure about this take ... presumably if everyone makes it home to bed a little late it never comes to light - but once one of the guys got himself arrested after curfew, I am sure the team put the press on to figure out what he was up to, who he was with, etc. The billets may not report every minor transgression to the team, but I doubt many of them would outright lie to cover for their player when being asked questions. I don't completely disagree with your point about it being awkward, but the billets fill a role as surrogate parents, not just as friends. Anyone who is a parent can relate that sometimes the decision that is in the best interest of your child is not one they will like you for. Haha well obviously it is all his fault. My, for lack of a better word “take” still stands. And yes the billets of course work for the team first and foremost. Awkward! I had Family member who was a billet....and yes, they always try to protect the player that's living with them. One instance, a player was taken to my family members place by the police here in Charlottetown........as much as they didn't want to get the kid in trouble, they had to contact the team and let them know. That certain players was driven to Amherst the next day to suit up with the Ramblers
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Post by randohockeyguy on Mar 17, 2024 18:53:56 GMT -4
Imagine having a great relationship with your billets and then they have to squeel on the 19 year old adult. Awkward. Not sure about this take ... presumably if everyone makes it home to bed a little late it never comes to light - but once one of the guys got himself arrested after curfew, I am sure the team put the press on to figure out what he was up to, who he was with, etc. The billets may not report every minor transgression to the team, but I doubt many of them would outright lie to cover for their player when being asked questions. I don't completely disagree with your point about it being awkward, but the billets fill a role as surrogate parents, not just as friends. Anyone who is a parent can relate that sometimes the decision that is in the best interest of your child is not one they will like you for. The three others were punished by the team i.e punished internally they couldn’t punish dumais untill the league and police had dealt with it.
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Post by randohockeyguy on Mar 17, 2024 19:01:56 GMT -4
That’s what happened …. He was in the car with three other players coming back from casino they missed curfew so billets reported it to moose and such other players were handled internally and Dumais got the league suspension starting when he was supposed to play once the news was announced league wide .. It's a team suspension. A league suspension would be on the Q site. chl.ca/lhjmq/en/suspensions-and-fines-2023-24/ If the team suspended him he would be a healthy scratch… the Victo players charged with sexual assault was not listed on the league suspension list they were dealt with on a team perspective… the Mooseheads and league decided this together whether the moose gave the league the number they were thinking about or the league told the moose and they both agreed. If he was able to play earlier he would be suspended he wasn’t practicing with the team after March 1st while they were in talks with HRP and the league
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Post by coleminer on Mar 18, 2024 5:17:36 GMT -4
Here is a hot take, and I am open to be being terribly wrong. Cut the billet program and get a boarding school type facility, with strict rules, hall monitors/squeelers. Business case be damned!
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