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Post by Steve on Sept 10, 2007 22:26:26 GMT -4
A Monkey could have coached that team...and basically every player on the team deserved a letter...they are all leaders on their own teams....but giving it to your own kid over guys who actually played on the U20 team is asinine. There were only 4 returnees from last year: Irving; goalie so no letter. Gagner; wore an 'A' Alzner; wore an 'A' Marchand; sometimes suspect attitude, benched for 2 games. So, the only guy Sutter got a letter over was Marchand, and that really doesn't look like a bad decision. I did think it was a little odd before the tournament, but not after watching it. Sutter didn't do anything to show he didn't deserve it. I actually thought Lucic getting the 'C' was weirder. Finally someone said what I've been thinking the whole series. Don't get me wrong, Milan Lucic is a fantastic player and one that Sutter had to face when he coached Red Deer but I was certain Gagner was going to get the "C", shows how much I really know  |
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Post by Deer on Sept 10, 2007 22:27:55 GMT -4
A Monkey could have coached that team...and basically every player on the team deserved a letter...they are all leaders on their own teams....but giving it to your own kid over guys who actually played on the U20 team is asinine. There were only 4 returnees from last year: Irving; goalie so no letter. Gagner; wore an 'A' Alzner; wore an 'A' Marchand; sometimes suspect attitude, benched for 2 games. So, the only guy Sutter got a letter over was Marchand, and that really doesn't look like a bad decision. I did think it was a little odd before the tournament, but not after watching it. Sutter didn't do anything to show he didn't deserve it. I actually thought Lucic getting the 'C' was weirder. I also thought Lucic getting the C was weird. He seems to me to be kind of a "flavour of the day" player............ everyone's currently all excited about him because of his play in helping Vancouver win that Memorial Cup. That and some people get really horned up whenever a physically huge player shows the least few flashes of skill. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Sept 10, 2007 22:29:56 GMT -4
I always found this kid had a bad attitude...almost like he believes he's above the team...dressing room cancer IMO. And yet every team he plays on wins........... his hockey career is speckled with championships left and right. Doesn't seem to hurt his teams too much. He played for some spectacular teams. He didn't carry the Wildcats or VD or Team Canada. So you always have to be a team player. 2004-2005 year he was benched the last game in the playoffs against VD for not putting in effort. Character is shown when your playing for a terrible team not the best team. Sheppard playing with CB in the rebuilding years showed character. I have a love/hate relationship with Marchand that would get a lot better if he grew up. |
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Post by Porkchop on Sept 11, 2007 7:40:20 GMT -4
I always found this kid had a bad attitude...almost like he believes he's above the team...dressing room cancer IMO. And yet every team he plays on wins........... his hockey career is speckled with championships left and right. Doesn't seem to hurt his teams too much. He was just benched for the last 2 games of an international series........that's pretty sad when you're going into the tournament as a top 2 line forward. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 11, 2007 8:26:17 GMT -4
And yet every team he plays on wins........... his hockey career is speckled with championships left and right. Doesn't seem to hurt his teams too much. He played for some spectacular teams. He didn't carry the Wildcats or VD or Team Canada. So you always have to be a team player. 2004-2005 year he was benched the last game in the playoffs against VD for not putting in effort. Character is shown when your playing for a terrible team not the best team. Sheppard playing with CB in the rebuilding years showed character. I have a love/hate relationship with Marchand that would get a lot better if he grew up. When did Marchand get benched against VD in 04-05, the Cats never played Vd in the playoffs. You can accuse him of being selfish or having a big head, but lack of effort is usually not the problem. He's a guy that's got a strong work ethic and plays all out, that's why he got drafted despite his size, he works out like a guy possessed, hence why he is so strong on the puck. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 11, 2007 8:27:17 GMT -4
And yet every team he plays on wins........... his hockey career is speckled with championships left and right. Doesn't seem to hurt his teams too much. He was just benched for the last 2 games of an international series........that's pretty sad when you're going into the tournament as a top 2 line forward. He wasn't benched for poor play, he was 20 minutes late for a team meeting. I don't condone it, but I don't know his reasons either. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2007 9:02:43 GMT -4
He was just benched for the last 2 games of an international series........that's pretty sad when you're going into the tournament as a top 2 line forward. He wasn't benched for poor play, he was 20 minutes late for a team meeting. I don't condone it, but I don't know his reasons either. He's not above the rules made by a coach because of his talent. Good for Suter for teaching him a little lesson... I would have done the same. Edit: Team Canada would have done fine without him... many players could have taken his place. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Sept 11, 2007 9:21:35 GMT -4
He played for some spectacular teams. He didn't carry the Wildcats or VD or Team Canada. So you always have to be a team player. 2004-2005 year he was benched the last game in the playoffs against VD for not putting in effort. Character is shown when your playing for a terrible team not the best team. Sheppard playing with CB in the rebuilding years showed character. I have a love/hate relationship with Marchand that would get a lot better if he grew up. When did Marchand get benched against VD in 04-05, the Cats never played Vd in the playoffs. You can accuse him of being selfish or having a big head, but lack of effort is usually not the problem. He's a guy that's got a strong work ethic and plays all out, that's why he got drafted despite his size, he works out like a guy possessed, hence why he is so strong on the puck. My mistake Rouyn-Noranda and yes he was in the last period. |
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Post by jimmy on Sept 11, 2007 9:25:24 GMT -4
Edit: Team Canada would have done fine without him... many players could have taken his place. I think the same could be said about any player on the team ... no real stars who stood out IMO ... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2007 9:29:51 GMT -4
Edit: Team Canada would have done fine without him... many players could have taken his place. I think the same could be said about any player on the team ... no real stars who stood out IMO ... My point was that yes, he is a good player...but he never was close to being the best player of any team. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 11, 2007 9:32:35 GMT -4
I think the same could be said about any player on the team ... no real stars who stood out IMO ... My point was that yes, he is a good player...but he never was close to being the best player of any team. He was the best player not only of his team but in the league last year's playoffs.  |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 11, 2007 9:42:50 GMT -4
How can you rip a guy for his team selections when he has never lost a game? His own kid was deserving of a letter. Just because guys are older and are more experienced doesn't mean they are leaders. A Monkey could have coached that team...and basically every player on the team deserved a letter...they are all leaders on their own teams....but giving it to your own kid over guys who actually played on the U20 team is asinine. I think that statement is quite uninformed. That team plays so well because Sutter is Coaching ... he demands a high work ethic and attention to detail. I'm not so sure that another Coach would get the same level of play out of that group. He isn't undefeated because his teams are loaded ... he has taken mediocre (non-favourites) teams to championships. If somebody else was Coaching Canada ... maybe the series is a little more interesting ... maybe the Russians actually win a couple. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2007 9:43:56 GMT -4
My point was that yes, he is a good player...but he never was close to being the best player of any team. He was the best player not only of his team but in the league last year's playoffs. He got a good little streak during the playoffs, being fed from great players helped...he wasn't top scorer during the season with Vald'or...but he got a very good season. Val d'or would have still finished one of the top teams without him |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 11, 2007 9:48:29 GMT -4
He was the best player not only of his team but in the league last year's playoffs. He got a good little streak during the playoffs, being fed from great players helped...he wasn't top scorer during the season with Vald'or...but he got a very good season. Val d'or would have still finished one of the top teams without him No he wasn't top scorer ... but how many games did he miss ? Check his PPG and see where that ranks him. CB fans will tell you that he was the difference in that series. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 11, 2007 9:51:16 GMT -4
He was the best player not only of his team but in the league last year's playoffs. He got a good little streak during the playoffs, being fed from great players helped...he wasn't top scorer during the season with Vald'or...but he got a very good season. Val d'or would have still finished one of the top teams without him They would have never made the finals without him, ask Cape Breton fans, he was the best player on the ice in that series. |
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