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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Sept 20, 2007 7:56:18 GMT -4
But at the same time it could move a potential 20-24 goal scorer in Andrew White off the 4th line and give him time on the 3rd line. It's not like they lose 30 goals. ahhhhh the "Danny Massé" position. Of course, big difference between replacing a 3rd liner with a body from the 3rd line-pressbox group, some of who have a year or two experience... vs. first replacing a 71 goal scorer.... then replacing a 100 pt guy after that. |
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Post by chsb on Sept 20, 2007 9:41:07 GMT -4
ahhhhh the "Danny Massé" position. Of course, big difference between replacing a 3rd liner with a body from the 3rd line-pressbox group, some of who have a year or two experience... vs. first replacing a 71 goal scorer.... then replacing a 100 pt guy after that. The Titan partly replaced Beau's loss in the off season by trading for Svoboda. Also in the offseason, the Titan acquired Messier who, so far, showed very good offensive instincts.... Therefore losing Bartos is not the major blow some of you are trying to make of it. Yes the Titan MIGHT have to look for a first or 2nd liner at Christmas, but also yes the Titan MIGHT NOT need to look for one. I find you very trigger happy by comparing the two situations and concluding the way you do. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Sept 20, 2007 9:44:33 GMT -4
Of course, big difference between replacing a 3rd liner with a body from the 3rd line-pressbox group, some of who have a year or two experience... vs. first replacing a 71 goal scorer.... then replacing a 100 pt guy after that. The Titan partly replaced Beau's loss in the off season by trading for Svoboda. Also in the offseason, the Titan acquired Messier who, so far, showed very good offensive instincts.... Therefore losing Bartos is not the major blow some of you are trying to make of it. Yes the Titan MIGHT have to look for a first or 2nd liner at Christmas, but also yes the Titan MIGHT NOT need to look for one. I find you very trigger happy by comparing the two situations and concluding the way you do. Wasnt really trying to re-open this argument... and not sure how I am trigger happy about anything? I dont understand that. BUT suggesting Andrew White could fill Peters role on line 3 is much less of a stretch than suggesting your 71 goal scorer and 100 pt guy have been replaced easily by others. |
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Post by mikeb on Sept 20, 2007 9:50:53 GMT -4
Of course, big difference between replacing a 3rd liner with a body from the 3rd line-pressbox group, some of who have a year or two experience... vs. first replacing a 71 goal scorer.... then replacing a 100 pt guy after that. The Titan partly replaced Beau's loss in the off season by trading for Svoboda. Also in the offseason, the Titan acquired Messier who, so far, showed very good offensive instincts.... Therefore losing Bartos is not the major blow some of you are trying to make of it. Yes the Titan MIGHT have to look for a first or 2nd liner at Christmas, but also yes the Titan MIGHT NOT need to look for one. I find you very trigger happy by comparing the two situations and concluding the way you do. I agree. I don't think the situations are the same at all either. Replacing a 3rd liner with another 3rd liner is way easier than replacing a 100 pt player. |
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Post by chsb on Sept 20, 2007 10:35:31 GMT -4
The Titan partly replaced Beau's loss in the off season by trading for Svoboda. Also in the offseason, the Titan acquired Messier who, so far, showed very good offensive instincts.... Therefore losing Bartos is not the major blow some of you are trying to make of it. Yes the Titan MIGHT have to look for a first or 2nd liner at Christmas, but also yes the Titan MIGHT NOT need to look for one. I find you very trigger happy by comparing the two situations and concluding the way you do. I agree. I don't think the situations are the same at all either. Replacing a 3rd liner with another 3rd liner is way easier than replacing a 100 pt player. There are no comparisons indeed.... That being said, I don't find any reason for any team to feel alarmed by the coming of Pelletier in Halifax. The chemistry on the different teams will now play a very large role in who will finish on top in the East. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Sept 20, 2007 10:47:11 GMT -4
I agree. I don't think the situations are the same at all either. Replacing a 3rd liner with another 3rd liner is way easier than replacing a 100 pt player. There are no comparisons indeed.... That being said, I don't find any reason for any team to feel alarmed by the coming of Pelletier in Halifax. The chemistry on the different teams will now play a very large role in who will finish on top in the East. So wait... Pelletier isnt better than sticking with Yetman/Kennedy combo? Seems goaltending was always a big issue with most predictors. You think this deal doesnt make Halifax any better than before, and that nobody should be concerned that we likely addressed a big questionmark? If Bathurst upgraded their defense or a forward (or goaltending, even with Pelletier) I would be much more "concerned" about them. Anytime a top ranked team gets BETTER, its a concern. |
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Post by Gman on Sept 20, 2007 10:50:53 GMT -4
I agree. I don't think the situations are the same at all either. Replacing a 3rd liner with another 3rd liner is way easier than replacing a 100 pt player. There are no comparisons indeed.... That being said, I don't find any reason for any team to feel alarmed by the coming of Pelletier in Halifax. The chemistry on the different teams will now play a very large role in who will finish on top in the East. LOL... good one. Look out for Cape Breton then- they seem to be gelling very nicely. I figure they are poised to take a run at it.  PS: I don't think a goaltender will affect chemistry too much.  |
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Post by Porkchop on Sept 20, 2007 10:52:47 GMT -4
The Titan partly replaced Beau's loss in the off season by trading for Svoboda. Also in the offseason, the Titan acquired Messier who, so far, showed very good offensive instincts.... Therefore losing Bartos is not the major blow some of you are trying to make of it. Yes the Titan MIGHT have to look for a first or 2nd liner at Christmas, but also yes the Titan MIGHT NOT need to look for one. I find you very trigger happy by comparing the two situations and concluding the way you do. Wasnt really trying to re-open this argument... and not sure how I am trigger happy about anything? I dont understand that. BUT suggesting Andrew White could fill Peters role on line 3 is much less of a stretch than suggesting your 71 goal scorer and 100 pt guy have been replaced easily by others. There isn't a 71 goal scorer to be replaced.......he was never part of the equation for this year.......the only guy lost that was part of the equation was Bartos....... |
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Post by Gman on Sept 20, 2007 10:54:02 GMT -4
Wasnt really trying to re-open this argument... and not sure how I am trigger happy about anything? I dont understand that. BUT suggesting Andrew White could fill Peters role on line 3 is much less of a stretch than suggesting your 71 goal scorer and 100 pt guy have been replaced easily by others. There isn't a 71 goal scorer to be replaced.......he was never part of the equation for this year.......the only guy lost that was part of the equation was Bartos....... You are correct, except chsb put his foot in his mouth as usual and compared this years team to last years, and in fact called it better offensively, so you have to look at the loss of Beau to compare them. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Sept 20, 2007 10:59:58 GMT -4
Wasnt really trying to re-open this argument... and not sure how I am trigger happy about anything? I dont understand that. BUT suggesting Andrew White could fill Peters role on line 3 is much less of a stretch than suggesting your 71 goal scorer and 100 pt guy have been replaced easily by others. There isn't a 71 goal scorer to be replaced.......he was never part of the equation for this year.......the only guy lost that was part of the equation was Bartos....... It goes back to he whole "How is Bathurst better this year vs. last year" debates over the summer. But the topic has been killed, and the thread is just off track now |
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Post by chsb on Sept 20, 2007 11:10:00 GMT -4
There isn't a 71 goal scorer to be replaced.......he was never part of the equation for this year.......the only guy lost that was part of the equation was Bartos....... You are correct, except chsb put his foot in his mouth as usual and compared this years team to last years, and in fact called it better offensively, so you have to look at the loss of Beau to compare them. How is that? First off I never said that it was better offensively....I said that it would just as good....big difference but it will not stop you from spreading half truths. What I am saying now is that some like yourself are indeed overblowing Bartos' loss to the team.... As for Pelletier, I never considered him as a big factor pro or against for Halifax.....he is good in this League, but he is not top-5. When you look at Yetman in the playoffs last season compared to Pelletier on a much more mature team and a more mature D, the difference is not that great. What it really does is remove Kennedy from the picture which is really a good thing. Pelletier has been inconsistent in his tenure in the Q so far. NB: It would have been much different if you guys had acquired Balnchard for instance. |
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Post by Porkchop on Sept 20, 2007 11:18:49 GMT -4
There isn't a 71 goal scorer to be replaced.......he was never part of the equation for this year.......the only guy lost that was part of the equation was Bartos....... You are correct, except chsb put his foot in his mouth as usual and compared this years team to last years, and in fact called it better offensively, so you have to look at the loss of Beau to compare them. Not at all..........with Bartos here, IMO, we are as good offensively as last year.......Bartos not here, might make it less, but he is the only loss. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Sept 20, 2007 11:22:03 GMT -4
You are correct, except chsb put his foot in his mouth as usual and compared this years team to last years, and in fact called it better offensively, so you have to look at the loss of Beau to compare them. How is that? First off I never said that it was better offensively....I said that it would just as good....big difference but it will not stop you from spreading half truths. What I am saying now is that some like yourself are indeed overblowing Bartos' loss to the team.... As for Pelletier, I never considered him as a big factor pro or against for Halifax.....he is good in this League, but he is not top-5. When you look at Yetman in the playoffs last season compared to Pelletier on a much more mature team and a more mature D, the difference is not that great. What it really does is remove Kennedy from the picture which is really a good thing. Pelletier has been inconsistent in his tenure in the Q so far. NB: It would have been much different if you guys had acquired Balnchard for instance. How much of a difference would Blanchard be vs. Pelletier considering we just need above average goaltending, not superstar goaltending? Blanchard is better, but Pelletier was top 5 LAST year and should be in that range again this year. He had better stats than Duchesne (mediocre team then powerhouse), and I would be ecstatic if we had a Duchesne-quality guy this year. We dont NEED a top 3 guy. We just needed to upgrade on Yetman/Kennedy so that this team wouldnt lose games due to goaltending. Pelletier played 51 games last year, 2.97 GAA with .901 save % on an underachieving Drummondville team most of the year. He then played well (from many reports and his own feelings) at pro camps. Most people would agree that going from Yetman to Pelletier is a significant upgrade on ability and experience, an upgrade on the biggest glaring weakness of the moose. As a potential division rival, this SHOULD concern you at least a bit? |
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Post by Gman on Sept 20, 2007 11:33:07 GMT -4
You are correct, except chsb put his foot in his mouth as usual and compared this years team to last years, and in fact called it better offensively, so you have to look at the loss of Beau to compare them. How is that? First off I never said that it was better offensively....I said that it would just as good....big difference but it will not stop you from spreading half truths. What I am saying now is that some like yourself are indeed overblowing Bartos' loss to the team.... As for Pelletier, I never considered him as a big factor pro or against for Halifax.....he is good in this League, but he is not top-5. When you look at Yetman in the playoffs last season compared to Pelletier on a much more mature team and a more mature D, the difference is not that great. What it really does is remove Kennedy from the picture which is really a good thing. Pelletier has been inconsistent in his tenure in the Q so far. NB: It would have been much different if you guys had acquired Balnchard for instance. Spreading half truths? LOL, another good one! Did you not argue til you were blue in the face that this year's offense would be as good or better than last years? Check the old board- it won't be hard to find the evidence. As for Pelletier not being top 5, well, that's a matter of opinion. His regular season stats from last year were top 5, and the goaltending crop is not as good this year. Blanchard and Pelletier had very similar numbers last year, except Blanchard had more shutouts. I don't understand why he would be so much of an upgrade where Pelletier is not. Please enlighten me. DRUMMONDVILLE has been one of the most inconsitent teams in the Q over the last 10 years. He was playing for a perrenial loser- what do you expect? This year he will have much more support around him, and he will play in an atmosphere that promotes success (even though we haven't had the ultimate success yet). We also have on our side Patenaude's track record for bringing over goaltenders in trades which benefit us more than the team they came from. (Dallaire, Lavallee, Duschesne) No one is saying POP is the top guy in the Q, but bringing him to a team that many had pegged as the top team already, is a pretty big thing. Now Bathurst has goaltending questions for their run, and Halifax doesn't. Hard to accept isn't it? ;D |
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Post by chsb on Sept 20, 2007 11:47:22 GMT -4
Drummondville, with a full roster last season,and a very mature D, was an ideal team for Pelletier to perform....
As I said, Pelletier is an upgrade over Kennedy for sure....no question...
He is simply not enough of an upgrade over Yetman to concern me that much....
You are right in it that it is a matter of opinion on Pelletier.
Many fans in the Western Division(who know much better Pelletier than we do at this time) expressed the opinion that he was overvalued....(overblown)....
As for the Titan, I am very hapy with what I see so far this season.
They might need some tweaking at Christmas, but nothing glaring.
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