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Post by Gman on Sept 20, 2007 12:03:17 GMT -4
Dude, it's not like we paid a fortune for him. We practically got him straight up for Peters. He's not the best goalie in the league, and we didn't pay the price of the top goalie in the league. He will service our needs, and possibly more. No one is expecting miracles, but the team was pretty good anyway. Pelletier only has to be good- which shouldn't be a problem. Funny how Yetman gets so much praise now, where a month ago everyone was saying how weak he was as the top goalie on a contending team.  |
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Post by chsb on Sept 20, 2007 12:31:06 GMT -4
Dude, it's not like we paid a fortune for him. We practically got him straight up for Peters. He's not the best goalie in the league, and we didn't pay the price of the top goalie in the league. He will service our needs, and possibly more. No one is expecting miracles, but the team was pretty good anyway. Pelletier only has to be good- which shouldn't be a problem. Funny how Yetman gets so much praise now, where a month ago everyone was saying how weak he was as the top goalie on a contending team. In the months past I always compared Halifax's situation in goals to the one in Bathurst where the goaltending was "unproven".... As for the trade itself, it is Pelletier and a 4th round pick for Peters, a 3rd and a 7th round pick. It will be fun to watch this Division unfold. I am expecting a rebounding Lewiston once Bernier, Perron,Marshall,Giliatti,and Reul are all back. The Titan are complete now and we should see the real picture next weekend. PEI does not have the coaching to go very far and the Sea Dogs improved their team. Moncton will always be around and it will make for a very tough Division if the Fog Devils show what they are capable of. I still expect the Titan to be a 85-90 points team this season. |
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Post by Gman on Sept 20, 2007 12:50:28 GMT -4
No it wasn't. It was MacIsaac, Peters, and a 3rd for Pelletier and a 4th. Our 3rd round pick will be at least 50th overall, maybe 54th if we finish 1st. Drummondvilles 4th rounder will be around 60th, so it's not a huge difference. For simplicity sake, it's Peters for Pelletier.
Marshall and Reul were all in the lineup against PEI last night and they lost quite badly, and were outshot by a large margin. Perron and Bernier will not make this team a top team. Delmas was outstanding last night. Bernier couldn't have done much better.
Through 2 games, the goaltending has looked pretty shaky. It's still a weakness until they prove otherwise. Offensively, you are rolling though, and the return of Perreault, Labrie, and Sigouin will only help.
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Post by Porkchop on Sept 20, 2007 13:19:52 GMT -4
No it wasn't. It was MacIsaac, Peters, and a 3rd for Pelletier and a 4th. Our 3rd round pick will be at least 50th overall, maybe 54th if we finish 1st. Drummondvilles 4th rounder will be around 60th, so it's not a huge difference. For simplicity sake, it's Peters for Pelletier. Marshall and Reul were all in the lineup against PEI last night and they lost quite badly, and were outshot by a large margin. Perron and Bernier will not make this team a top team. Delmas was outstanding last night. Bernier couldn't have done much better. Through 2 games, the goaltending has looked pretty shaky. It's still a weakness until they prove otherwise. Offensively, you are rolling though, and the return of Perreault, Labrie, and Sigouin will only help. Titan goaltending one the opener was a bit shaky......could be 1st game jitters, home crowd opening jitters, or whatever......the 2nd game was played very well by Legault with no shakiness at all.......all 3 goals allowed were on the powerplay and I believe one was a 5 on 3......he was solid.......it's really too early to judge our goaltending yet.......... On Halifax's side......I'm not sure how people can argue with you guys on this one.......with Pelletier you are a scary team. |
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Post by chsb on Sept 20, 2007 13:47:49 GMT -4
No it wasn't. It was MacIsaac, Peters, and a 3rd for Pelletier and a 4th. Our 3rd round pick will be at least 50th overall, maybe 54th if we finish 1st. Drummondvilles 4th rounder will be around 60th, so it's not a huge difference. For simplicity sake, it's Peters for Pelletier. Marshall and Reul were all in the lineup against PEI last night and they lost quite badly, and were outshot by a large margin. Perron and Bernier will not make this team a top team. Delmas was outstanding last night. Bernier couldn't have done much better. Through 2 games, the goaltending has looked pretty shaky. It's still a weakness until they prove otherwise. Offensively, you are rolling though, and the return of Perreault, Labrie, and Sigouin will only help. On Halifax's side......I'm not sure how people can argue with you guys on this one.......with Pelletier you are a scary team. Are you ready to hand them the Prez Cup? The game is played on the ice and the season is just starting.... I am personally more worried about the Huskies, specially now that macenauer is coming back to play. In this Division it will not be a cake walk for any team....including the Mooseheads. |
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Post by Gman on Sept 20, 2007 14:04:29 GMT -4
On Halifax's side......I'm not sure how people can argue with you guys on this one.......with Pelletier you are a scary team. Are you ready to hand them the Prez Cup? The game is played on the ice and the season is just starting.... I am personally more worried about the Huskies, specially now that macenauer is coming back to play. In this Division it will not be a cake walk for any team....including the Mooseheads. Personally, I'm more worried about the team Rimouski will evolve into by the end of the year. Their talent level is downright scary. Lets take away last year's draft for a second, and you still have Frolik, Skokan, Tanguay, Fortier, Gratchev, Plante. Then you add all the high end talent from last year in Cormier, Caron, Cornet, plus Neron. Then add in Bolduc and Leblanc on the back end and they just have a ton of potential. Macfarlane isn't a great goalie, but he can get the job done, so they will be a team no one wants to play in the playoffs. |
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Post by Porkchop on Sept 20, 2007 14:05:13 GMT -4
On Halifax's side......I'm not sure how people can argue with you guys on this one.......with Pelletier you are a scary team. Are you ready to hand them the Prez Cup? The game is played on the ice and the season is just starting.... I am personally more worried about the Huskies, specially now that macenauer is coming back to play. In this Division it will not be a cake walk for any team....including the Mooseheads. Last I checked, the cup wasn't handed out in September.......however that doesn't mean that Halifax isn't better with Pelletier.......last week we were all saying they were a question mark in net with 2 unproven guys.......they have that proven guy now with no more question marks.......they are definately a better team with Pelletier, no question. |
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Post by Gman on Sept 20, 2007 14:43:37 GMT -4
Are you ready to hand them the Prez Cup? The game is played on the ice and the season is just starting.... I am personally more worried about the Huskies, specially now that macenauer is coming back to play. In this Division it will not be a cake walk for any team....including the Mooseheads. Last I checked, the cup wasn't handed out in September.......however that doesn't mean that Halifax isn't better with Pelletier.......last week we were all saying they were a question mark in net with 2 unproven guys.......they have that proven guy now with no more question marks.......they are definately a better team with Pelletier, no question. When I think of a "proven goalie" I think of one that has at least been to the finals, but since there is only one goalie in the league this year who has that status, we will have to make due with one who had respectable numbers last year, which I don't mind doing. I feel better about the team now than I did 2 days ago. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 20, 2007 15:05:07 GMT -4
Myself, I don't see all the hype about Pelletier. If he plays no better than Yetman then the Moose actually lose as they send away a potential 30 goal scorer and a pick for him. I don't see it that way. This is a trade halifax had to make, because they couldn't count on Yetman playing great hockey all year and in the playoffs. Now Halifax has a goalie who has 3 years experience in the league and had awesome numbers last year as a starter on an underacheiving Drummondville team. Pelletier + Yetman > Yetman + Peters + Kennedy. Don't fool yourself- Peters would not have scored 30 goals from the 3rd line on Halifax. If he's given 1st or 2nd line ice in Drumm. he might though. The trade was still worth it. That deal was a no brainer for Halifax, low risk high return. Pelletier has alwaysys been very talented but his hip/lower back issue set him back, mostly at 18. He had a strong year last year. I think he`s easily top 5 in the Q...at least as good as anybody after Bernier right now. Peters being replaced by White/Smith/Cherementiev is not a huge downgrade but Kennedy to Pelletier is a huge upgrade. He may score 25 in Drum if he gets regular ice time/PP time but he wouldn't hit 20 on the 3rd line in Halifax. |
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Post by mikeb on Sept 20, 2007 15:14:54 GMT -4
Last I checked, the cup wasn't handed out in September.......however that doesn't mean that Halifax isn't better with Pelletier.......last week we were all saying they were a question mark in net with 2 unproven guys.......they have that proven guy now with no more question marks.......they are definately a better team with Pelletier, no question. When I think of a "proven goalie" I think of one that has at least been to the finals, but since there is only one goalie in the league this year who has that status, we will have to make due with one who had respectable numbers last year, which I don't mind doing. I feel better about the team now than I did 2 days ago. I disagree with your definition of "proven". I think more along the lines of a player who has "proven he can be relied upon in crucial instances because of skill and experience". There are lots of proven players in my book who don't get to the finals through no fault of their own because of the teams they play on. Pelletier has "proven" he can come up with big games in crucial situations. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 20, 2007 15:37:39 GMT -4
When I think of a "proven goalie" I think of one that has at least been to the finals, but since there is only one goalie in the league this year who has that status, we will have to make due with one who had respectable numbers last year, which I don't mind doing. I feel better about the team now than I did 2 days ago. I disagree with your definition of "proven". I think more along the lines of a player who has "proven he can be relied upon in crucial instances because of skill and experience". There are lots of proven players in my book who don't get to the finals through no fault of their own because of the teams they play on. Pelletier has "proven" he can come up with big games in crucial situations. Yes ... Pavalec was proven ... never got to the final ... Blanchard is proven. I define a proven goaltender as somebody that has been in the league a few years ... taken on the role of #1 and shown solid improvement from year to year ... someone that you know gives you a chance to win everynight. Mior on the other hand is not "proven" to me ... he can be fantastic ... but I find he is too inconsistent. Pelletier ... I've always placed him in the upper echelon of Q goaltending ... injuries have held him back as well as playing on a disfunctional team in Drummondville. He has also showed inconsistent play ... but it could be just as much his own doing as the team he has played for. I'd rather have Pelletier on my team than almost any goaltender in the Q ... Bernier and Blanchard I'd place ahead of him ... but I don't think there is another veteran that is better. There may be a few rookies in the Q that turn out to be better ... Mayer and the St. John's kid for example ... but they will need to handle the grind of the long season for a few years before that can be concluded. Tardif could turn out to be better as well ... but he is unproven. Tardif has proven that he is a skilled young goaltender with a promising future ... but hasn't yet proven that he is a solid #1 that can give his team a chance to win everynight ... maybe by March he will have proved that. |
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Post by Gman on Sept 20, 2007 16:01:12 GMT -4
You're right. Finals is a pretty high benchmark to set, since only 2 starting goalies can get there per year, and it's not always their fault if they don't. I also agree that guys like Pavelec proved themselves despite not quite getting there.
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Post by Murph on Sept 20, 2007 16:32:15 GMT -4
I don't see it that way. This is a trade halifax had to make, because they couldn't count on Yetman playing great hockey all year and in the playoffs. Now Halifax has a goalie who has 3 years experience in the league and had awesome numbers last year as a starter on an underacheiving Drummondville team. Pelletier + Yetman > Yetman + Peters + Kennedy. Don't fool yourself- Peters would not have scored 30 goals from the 3rd line on Halifax. If he's given 1st or 2nd line ice in Drumm. he might though. The trade was still worth it. That deal was a no brainer for Halifax, low risk high return. Pelletier has alwaysys been very talented but his hip/lower back issue set him back, mostly at 18. He had a strong year last year. I think he`s easily top 5 in the Q...at least as good as anybody after Bernier right now. Peters being replaced by White/Smith/Cherementiev is not a huge downgrade but Kennedy to Pelletier is a huge upgrade. He may score 25 in Drum if he gets regular ice time/PP time but he wouldn't hit 20 on the 3rd line in Halifax. I wouldn't say that re: Peters. He mainly played 3rd line last season and on the #2 PP. His linemates were Ryan Seymour, and the other was a mix of James Pouliot, Dan Smith or JP Cote. This year, on the 3rd line, he would have had probably Pridham or Corsi along with White or Chermetiev. He still would have seen time on the #2 PP. Peters last year had 22 goals, that basically came in two spurts. His first, was a 10 goal in 15 game stretch, followed by an 8 goal in 12 game run. He also had a slump of 1 goal, in 26 games. He's a hot and cold scorer, and if at 20 being a 3rd year player, if he develops any type of consistancy, he should hit 30 goals in Drummondville. EDIT: I was going off memory with those numbers, and after checking, his 2nd streak was 6 goals in 9 games. He also played with Hillier and Corsi during that span. |
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Post by MikeC on Sept 20, 2007 22:07:33 GMT -4
No it wasn't. It was MacIsaac, Peters, and a 3rd for Pelletier and a 4th. Our 3rd round pick will be at least 50th overall, maybe 54th if we finish 1st. Drummondvilles 4th rounder will be around 60th, so it's not a huge difference. For simplicity sake, it's Peters for Pelletier. The 3rd round pick that went to D'ville was VD's, not Halifax's. VDs 3rd rounder will likely be near the beginning of the 3rd round. |
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