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Post by Qfan69 on Apr 5, 2010 18:42:25 GMT -4
I thought it would be smart to start this Board because we kinda went a whole other way on the coin toss one. The whole talk about Clark just didn't flow there. So I'll try and get it started with more Clark talk. Clark knows where he did wrong and tried to fix it at the end of the year. Cam should keep him till Xmas for the sole reason that Cam himself even said he was the best Dmen on the team early in the year. Next I hope they take a forward with the 2ND pick. The whole tarde Clark came about because people think we should take one of the top D picks. But heres food for thought on that. This team is 2 years away from a big run everyone hopes. So if this kid they get is going to be as good or better then What Clark is then yeah go for it but i don't see it.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 5, 2010 19:01:50 GMT -4
Is it just me or doesn't it seem like non Moosehead fans are more concerned about Clarke then Moosehead fans are. I think we should keep him as a make work project and draft a forward with our 2nd pick.
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Post by qmaniac on Apr 5, 2010 19:10:29 GMT -4
I don't know why talking about Clarke is all of a sudden a neccessity. Russell won't trade him unless he feels he gets fair market value for him. If he gets that I'm sure it will be for the best internest of the team. If that doesn't happen, great it's another young talented dman on our blueline. There have been documented issues this season but I think they're being blown out of proportion the last little while. Out of towners just have a straight dislike for the kid because they don't like their team playing against him.
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Post by jimmy on Apr 5, 2010 19:11:26 GMT -4
Is it just me or doesn't it seem like non Moosehead fans are more concerened about Clarke then Mooshead fans are. I think we should keep him as a make work project and draft a forward with our 2nd pick. Clarke can be a good player, no doubt about it ... which would lead me to think keeping him and seeing if he can work out his behavioural issues in the first half of next season would be worth it. The upside to that approach is that if he straightens up his act, you have a top pair d-man for the next two seasons, instead of what you would get if you trade him in June, which would probably be 50 cents on the dollar given his reputation. The downside risk would be if the situation were to deteriorate to the point that the team ended up sending him home at some point next fall before they can deal him, at which point his trade value would be even lower than it would be in June. I guess the question becomes, how big an issue is Clarke's on and off ice behaviour to the team? Is it a minor irritant that Russell can live with, even if it drives him crazy at times? Or is he disruptive to the point of bringing the whole team down? I would suggest that only those really close to the team would know ...
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 5, 2010 19:17:37 GMT -4
Changing the "Clarke" topic.....would u prefer to see the Mooseheads draft a forward or a defenseman or the best player available. Since or defense seems pretty full I would love to get the best forward available, but who is that? It differs depending on who u talk to. I am hoping we are able to grab the best goalie available as well, but not sure if he would be around for our second round picks.
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Post by howitzer on Apr 5, 2010 19:31:54 GMT -4
Is it just me or doesn't it seem like non Moosehead fans are more concerened about Clarke then Mooshead fans are. I think we should keep him as a make work project and draft a forward with our 2nd pick. Clarke can be a good player, no doubt about it ... which would lead me to think keeping him and seeing if he can work out his behavioural issues in the first half of next season would be worth it. The upside to that approach is that if he straightens up his act, you have a top pair d-man for the next two seasons, instead of what you would get if you trade him in June, which would probably be 50 cents on the dollar given his reputation. The downside risk would be if the situation were to deteriorate to the point that the team ended up sending him home at some point next fall before they can deal him, at which point his trade value would be even lower than it would be in June. I guess the question becomes, how big an issue is Clarke's on and off ice behaviour to the team? Is it a minor irritant that Russell can live with, even if it drives him crazy at times? Or is he disruptive to the point of bringing the whole team down? I would suggest that only those really close to the team would know ... Well said. Good post. The whole Clarke talk is getting a bit much. We've been a last place team for 2 years now. Nobody is untouchable. Therefore if Cam gets value for a player, and it's a deal that improves the team, he'll make it, whether it's Garrett Clarke, Gerrad Grant, Corbeil whoever. If it makes the team better, you make the deal. Pretty standard practise. Cam's not going to give him away just because he took some untimely, selfish penalties. He is/was 17. There are guys in the NHL who still have trouble controlling that aspect of their game. It doesn't make them bad players who teams are dying to get rid of. Love him or hate, the kid has talent. He's got the potential to be a #1 or #2 d-man, and at the very least be a great #4 defencemen in this league. I don't expect he will automatically, over the course of an off-season, all of a sudden become an angel, but there are some players who's positives out weigh their rather obvious negatives. I think Clarke will fall into that category.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2010 19:41:46 GMT -4
It does seem for the most part that the out of town posters are the ones devaluing Clarke. I love having a player on our team that everyone hates, except for Moose fans. I never claimed to be a scout but I have seen a lot of players come through the Mooseheads and Clarkes potential really excites me. He has the skills of say Bondrachuk, can develope the shot of Picard, the smarts of Sharrow and can hit like Suchy.
My biggest worry next year is how we are going to score goals. I think we have some potential but if you look in the future offense is where we need to build. So I hope Cam uses the draft/trade period to address that. We do need a goaltending prospect although I think there is a chance we will have Corbeil for 2 more years.
We are definately moving in the right direction and I really hope CLarke is part of it.
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Qfan69
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Post by Qfan69 on Apr 5, 2010 19:41:57 GMT -4
I have to say Forward and I'd be happy with Burke. From what i seen of him I really think him and Brent could jell together and do some great things.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Apr 5, 2010 20:07:37 GMT -4
I don't think Clarkie is going anywhere till Xmas; Cam will give him the start of the year to see if he's matured he may be a completely different player in September. * on a side note who is renewing their STH I plan on it; just need to find a buddy or I may go it alone?
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Post by sharrow on Apr 6, 2010 9:41:53 GMT -4
I like most Moose fans would prefer we keep Clarke and endeavour to change his bad habits, more importantly is that we build a 1st line of Grant, Trade for a high scoring 18 yr forward and our euro forward, a 2nd line of Desjardins, Gelinas & MacDonald, 3rd line (checking) Randell, Andrews & Lemeuix and a 4th line Boudreau, pick, pick plus extras pick, pick
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Post by Qfan69 on Apr 6, 2010 9:42:51 GMT -4
Well now that its agreed that halifax fans are not the ones whole want clark gone let's talk about the goaltenders. First what's the word on Delmas and the Avs? If he doesn't sign and is back for sure what do you think he can bring in at the draft? In asking that question I should also say I'd rather keep him and trade Corbil. I think Peter is the better player and could steal a game where Corbil at times looks shacky at times still. Plus I think Matt can bring back more then Delmas could. Lastly I really think its the last year for both of them in the Q. If NHL scouts/teams see Matt as central scouting does he might make the first round or very early second. If that is the case they might want him playing pro were they can keep close eyes on him.
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Post by sharrow on Apr 6, 2010 9:56:17 GMT -4
I think job one would be to acquire the best goalie in the draft and that appears to be Tremblay and I would prefer that he is a back up to Delmas (I have never been a fan of Corbeil), In order for us to get both a top skater and Tremblay, Russell will have to have two picks in the first six, therefore some stickhandling is required and I hope he is up to the task. It is vital to the rebuild that we add skilled players to our organization NOW !
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 6, 2010 11:55:46 GMT -4
I think job one would be to acquire the best goalie in the draft and that appears to be Tremblay and I would prefer that he is a back up to Delmas (I have never been a fan of Corbeil), In order for us to get both a top skater and Tremblay, Russell will have to have two picks in the first six, therefore some stickhandling is required and I hope he is up to the task. It is vital to the rebuild that we add skilled players to our organization NOW ! I didn't think Tremblay would be a top six. Is he that highly touted? I was hoping he would last to late first round or even to our first 2nd round pick.
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Post by canucklehead on Apr 6, 2010 12:55:29 GMT -4
I think job one would be to acquire the best goalie in the draft and that appears to be Tremblay and I would prefer that he is a back up to Delmas (I have never been a fan of Corbeil), In order for us to get both a top skater and Tremblay, Russell will have to have two picks in the first six, therefore some stickhandling is required and I hope he is up to the task. It is vital to the rebuild that we add skilled players to our organization NOW ! I didn't think Tremblay would be a top six. Is he that highly touted? I was hoping he would last to late first round or even to our first 2nd round pick. Personally I'd say Tremblay will be gone within the first 10 picks hard to say when it comes to goaltenders sometimes. Antoine Bibeau might work or possibly Brandon Whitney from Valley are a couple others they could target. Other goaltenders could be Alex Dubeau, Carl Hozjan, and Maxime Legace.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2010 13:10:10 GMT -4
Personally I don't want to see Clarke gone, after all what would certain out of towners have to troll about on the Moose board?
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