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Post by defresh101 on Apr 14, 2010 9:48:34 GMT -4
Howitzer my mistake I miss read it. Now I can't complain too much as I have poor grammar myself but took me 4 times too read it for that sentence to make sense. Maybe I am just slow. Anyway I was stupid and your grammar sucks. On another note with Randell I think he could definately be a 2nd line center on a competitive team. I do believe he is abit out of his element with a guy like Knotek. Travis is not a first line top line guy. But give him good players around him and he may surprise.
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Post by bois on Apr 14, 2010 9:50:49 GMT -4
so assuming there is any truth to these rumours of Beaton and Duffy being Mooseheads next year... what is going the other way to make this happen?
Sharrow says on our board that Halifax's 2011 Euro pick is part of a Duffy deal.. can't see that having much value to be honest more of a throw in.... so what else is on the table?
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 14, 2010 9:53:49 GMT -4
Howitzer.....in your first paragraph you said "I doubt a team will draft him this summer". And if you continue to read the sentence it all makes sense... "I doubt a team will draft him this summer, let him play next year, then put him in the AHL, or ECHL the next year" He didnt say he wasnt getting drafted...he was speaking to the fact he doubts a team will draft him and put him in pro hockey at 20. ohhh...I read it the wrong way.....sorry Howitzer.
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Post by howitzer on Apr 14, 2010 20:33:57 GMT -4
haha mass confusion over a sentence. Actually, reading it back I could see how it could have been interpreted a little differently. It's all good though fellas.
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Post by canbeer on Apr 15, 2010 0:14:09 GMT -4
How about Delmas and our '11 Euro pick to Rimouski for Straka as a future in '11-'12. Rimouski looks solid for next year and needs a goalie. I like the idea of that type of move even if other picks need to be involved. Then, if he returns, you keep Knotek as the offensive help and first line centre that that Moose need. If there's a market for him then he can still be moved at Christmas. Also you can help add some upfront talent and move our 3rd overall euro pick this year for a good forward or just add another solid pick/move another pick up into the first round. Might take some creativity but I'm sure some trades could be made to maximize '10-'11 while helping out the next year as well. Straka with the playoffs he had might sneak into the back end of the 1st round, I doubt Rimouski lets him go unless you trade them a package including your 1st this year. That couldn't/wouldn't be pulled off. Think about it... the Moose send Delmas and their 2nd overall pick for no on ice return for a year, how would that make sense. If additional picks or assets were needed they would be a piece of the future part of the deal not the original part. How could trading Delmas and the 2nd overall pick for Rimouski's 2011 1st round pick (or whatever the placeholder is) be explained to the fans?
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Post by Qfan69 on Apr 15, 2010 7:15:51 GMT -4
so assuming there is any truth to these rumours of Beaton and Duffy being Mooseheads next year... what is going the other way to make this happen? Sharrow says on our board that Halifax's 2011 Euro pick is part of a Duffy deal.. can't see that having much value to be honest more of a throw in.... so what else is on the table? Well I haven't heard anything on either trades but just looking at the players and the teams I think Beaton could be had for the 25 or 28th pick. As for Duffy his value isn't really that high because he's never played up to his potential. So you guy need some Dee I would think maybe start with Amoyt, or they might want Knotek.
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Post by mikeb on Apr 15, 2010 8:55:47 GMT -4
so assuming there is any truth to these rumours of Beaton and Duffy being Mooseheads next year... what is going the other way to make this happen? Sharrow says on our board that Halifax's 2011 Euro pick is part of a Duffy deal.. can't see that having much value to be honest more of a throw in.... so what else is on the table? Well I haven't heard anything on either trades but just looking at the players and the teams I think Beaton could be had for the 25 or 28th pick. As for Duffy his value isn't really that high because he's never played up to his potential. So you guy need some Dee I would think maybe start with Amoyt, or they might want Knotek. PEI has Polasek already and are getting Nestrasil to complete a trade with Victo so why would they need Knotek?
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Post by bois on Apr 15, 2010 9:48:59 GMT -4
Well I haven't heard anything on either trades but just looking at the players and the teams I think Beaton could be had for the 25 or 28th pick. As for Duffy his value isn't really that high because he's never played up to his potential. So you guy need some Dee I would think maybe start with Amoyt, or they might want Knotek. PEI has Polasek already and are getting Nestrasil to complete a trade with Victo so why would they need Knotek? or Amyot for that matter? and yes Duffy had a horrible second season but he certainly did play up to his potential as a 16 year old.... I really don't see how his value has dropped quite as much as you guys seem to imply... he's still very young and if anything his Q value might be a bit higher now because he looks like a 5 year player (likely overager) as he will certainly not be NHL drafted this summer now I don't think he's worth a 1st round pick by himself for sure..... but he is worth more than a 3rd
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Post by canbeer on Apr 15, 2010 10:16:47 GMT -4
PEI has Polasek already and are getting Nestrasil to complete a trade with Victo so why would they need Knotek? or Amyot for that matter? and yes Duffy had a horrible second season but he certainly did play up to his potential as a 16 year old.... I really don't see how his value has dropped quite as much as you guys seem to imply... he's still very young and if anything his Q value might be a bit higher now because he looks like a 5 year player (likely overager) as he will certainly not be NHL drafted this summer now I don't think he's worth a 1st round pick by himself for sure..... but he is worth more than a 3rd So a second rd pick... I could see that. I don't think the Moose would move their 19th pick for him but maybe one of their other 2nd rd picks might makes sense. The Moose have 5 picks in the top 37 picks and I would think one D, one goalie and three forwards would be ideal... if they turn one of those picks into a 18 year old offensive forward with potential it would make sense. I'm not a fan of Duffy but if Knotek and Bety are gone the Moose need help down the middle and Duffy's potential for a 2nd when they have two other 2nd rd picks and a lot of guys returning could be worth it. The downside with Duffy is that he's soft and if he doesn't produce it's not like he brings a lot else to the table.
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Post by bois on Apr 15, 2010 10:44:36 GMT -4
You have to remember Duffy was not put in a position to succeed offensively here after Chouinard was canned
I think if he plays in the top 6.. he will regain his offensive prowess
and looking at Halifax's roster for next year he should stand a very reasonable chance to play in your top 6
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Post by wingman on Apr 15, 2010 11:01:36 GMT -4
Lavigne had him playing on the top line and was also on the pp when he was first hired but eventually moved to the 2nd line and then down to where he was as the season went on.
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Post by canbeer on Apr 15, 2010 11:06:34 GMT -4
You have to remember Duffy was not put in a position to succeed offensively here after Chouinard was canned I think if he plays in the top 6.. he will regain his offensive prowess and looking at Halifax's roster for next year he should stand a very reasonable chance to play in your top 6 That's true but a 2nd rd pick is a good asset and Duffy had something like 4-5 points after Christmas. He has lots of potential but he is a risk at this point. If Bety isn't back and the Moose picked up Duffy he would likely have a good chance to step right in between Grant/Desjardins and Randell... basically Knotek's spot from last year.
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Post by bois on Apr 15, 2010 11:17:51 GMT -4
Lavigne had him playing on the top line and was also on the pp when he was first hired but eventually moved to the 2nd line and then down to where he was as the season went on. I think you are mistaken here wingman The only time Duffy played topline for us was during a stretch where our team was hampered by injuries I think Lavigne actually had Duffy as a first line center for all of a period..... he did play some on the second line I agree..... but was mostly a third liner or fourth liner under Lavigne
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Post by lalalaprise on Apr 15, 2010 11:19:13 GMT -4
I honestly hope Halifax doesnt trade for Duffy...im not getting a good vibe that he will re-gain his offensive touch.
And in regards to Beaton...he isnt worth that much...GAT essentially got him for a song....theres no way he is worth anymore than a 4th rd pick as a 20 year old.
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Post by melly on Apr 15, 2010 11:47:23 GMT -4
In our history we have only drafted two Real Goalies, Giguere (Expansion Draft) & LeClaire and if Tremblay is the best thats who we should get, we always took also rans in the Patenaude era and ended up with a bunch of duds, PLEASE we (Moose Fans) deserve the best in this most important position. So you include Giguere but not Volkov? Volkov was drafted in the Euro draft and was a good goalie for the Moose. I was trying to look at past drafts but 2000 - 2003 on the Q site gives me a spyware warning so I decided against looking there. I know that we drafted MacDonald and he is an NHL / AHL player. Yetman ended up stealing the job from a 20 yr old and played well for the Moose. He wasn't elite but he was still good (not a dud). Churchill wasn't a dud either. So that's another 4 goalies drafted. On top of that during the Patenaude they didn't need to draft a lot of goalies. He was able to acquire Dallaire (2 yrs), Lavallee (1 yr) and Duchesne (3 yrs)...all three ended up being elite goalies with the Moose. Patenaude was GM for 9 - 10 years. 6 of those years he had an elite goalie (acquired through trades). Yetman was a goalie for 2 years, and Churchill was a starting goalie for 2 years. So in Patenaude's time he had a good goalie for the full duration. 6 of the years he acquired an elite goalie through trades which diminished the need to use a high draft pick on a goalie, which is good because the high draft picks were scarce...but that's another issue. But I don't think as Moose fans we can't really complain that we have only had duds for goalies. We actually were pretty rich in our goalies (except the 2000 draft - but that was b4 Patenaude and a complete mess of a draft - Todd Veary!) ;D Patenaude liked the reclamation projects for goalies, great, except his final project blew up in his face in a year the team should have won a title. Patenaude went to the well too many times and in the end he found Pelletier. Yetman is average, and he didn't steal the job, he was forced in there because of horribly inconsistent play of the 20 year old. You didn't mention Kennedy, there was certain dud. Churchill was OK, not a dud, but not elite either. For me, I look at the drafted goalies that we developed, and in recent past I don't think we have done that well.
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