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Post by sharrow on Apr 13, 2010 9:07:32 GMT -4
Todays article in the Chronicle from Russell sheds more light on the trading front whereby he saids there is a lot of interest in other teams looking to trade for one of his goalies plus there is interest in some d-man like Aymot, Dimitruk and Clarke. Russell states that if he can get an offensive forward anything is possible for trading. I would think that we will have our "92" scoring forward at the June draft period.
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Post by lalalaprise on Apr 13, 2010 9:19:00 GMT -4
There seems to be a goalie shortage of sorts next season...
Bathurst: Nadeau, 19 : Lacerte, 19 : Steeves, 17 Baie-Comeau: Dunnett, 20 : Giroux, 18 Cape Breton: Verronneau, 17 Chicoutimi: Gusse, 17 : Gibson, 18 : Desrosiers, 17 Drummondville: Piche, 19 Gatineau: Clermont, 19 : Carignan, 17 Halifax: Delmas, 20 : Corbeil, 19 Lewiston: Roy, 19 : Kennedy, 17 Moncton: Owen, 20 Montreal: Berube, 19 ; Marcoux, 17 PEI: Mosher, 20 Quebec: Domingue, 18 : Appleby, 17 Rimouski: Tremblay, 19 Rouyn-Noranda: Champion, 20 : Audette, 19 : Noonan, 17 Saint John: St-Laurent, 20 : Tingley, 17 Shawinigan: Girard, 19 : Val-D'or: Gervais-Chouinard, 18 : Coulton, 19 : Fortier, 17 Victoriaville: Mastropietro, 19
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 13, 2010 9:26:29 GMT -4
You're contradicting yourself, saying there is a shortage, then lising enough goalies to fill each team's need. ;D
Plus this draft is said to be deep in goalies...so you can add 5-6 from the 2010 draft.
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Post by lalalaprise on Apr 13, 2010 9:27:29 GMT -4
You're contradicting yourself, saying there is a shortage, then lising enough goalies to fill each team's need. ;D Plus this draft is said to be deep in goalies...so you can add 5-6 from the 2010 draft. There will ALWAYS be goalies to fill the rosters I just meant there is a shortage of high end goalies... I dont see many on that list...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 13, 2010 9:29:56 GMT -4
You're contradicting yourself, saying there is a shortage, then lising enough goalies to fill each team's need. ;D Plus this draft is said to be deep in goalies...so you can add 5-6 from the 2010 draft. There will ALWAYS be goalies to fill the rosters I just meant there is a shortage of high end goalies... I dont see many on that list... Yeah a lot of teams will be drafting a goalie early this year and just "brdging" with a 19 or 20 year old until that goalie is ready to be #1.
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Post by canbeer on Apr 13, 2010 10:33:23 GMT -4
How about Delmas and our '11 Euro pick to Rimouski for Straka as a future in '11-'12. Rimouski looks solid for next year and needs a goalie. I like the idea of that type of move even if other picks need to be involved.
Then, if he returns, you keep Knotek as the offensive help and first line centre that that Moose need. If there's a market for him then he can still be moved at Christmas.
Also you can help add some upfront talent and move our 3rd overall euro pick this year for a good forward or just add another solid pick/move another pick up into the first round.
Might take some creativity but I'm sure some trades could be made to maximize '10-'11 while helping out the next year as well.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 13, 2010 10:38:04 GMT -4
How about Delmas and our '11 Euro pick to Rimouski for Straka as a future in '11-'12. Rimouski looks solid for next year and needs a goalie. I like the idea of that type of move even if other picks need to be involved. Then, if he returns, you keep Knotek as the offensive help and first line centre that that Moose need. If there's a market for him then he can still be moved at Christmas. Also you can help add some upfront talent and move our 3rd overall euro pick this year for a good forward or just add another solid pick/move another pick up into the first round. Might take some creativity but I'm sure some trades could be made to maximize '10-'11 while helping out the next year as well. Straka with the playoffs he had might sneak into the back end of the 1st round, I doubt Rimouski lets him go unless you trade them a package including your 1st this year.
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Post by voiceofytown on Apr 13, 2010 11:21:17 GMT -4
I would say Saint John would need to upgrade St Laurent unless next season there looking to stand pat and wait for the next.
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Post by howitzer on Apr 13, 2010 17:41:06 GMT -4
Interesting read in the Herald.
I can't see them moving Corbeil unless a team drastically overpays. And considering he's only had 11 wins in 2 years, I can't see that happening. Everyone knows the teams he's played on haven't been good, but still. Who is going to overpay for a guy with 11 wins, and no playoff experience? Just isn't gonna happen. Matthew Wuest has an article on his blog, and I agree with it. If we're going to shot for 2011-2012 (I'm still not sold we'll be ready by then) then why trade him? Yes he'll be 20, but will only be going into his 2nd year as a drafted player. I doubt a team will draft him this summer, let him play next year, then put him in the AHL, or ECHL the next year. It's possible, but not probable.
I'd say Delmas will be moved. I like the Saint John idea too. They will most defintely be in the market for a starting goalie, so they are probably one of the teams calling.
I like he talk of a 20yr old scorer. We don't need anyone fancy, not a "high-end" guy, but a guy you can plug in the top 6 and count on some offensive consistancy from him. I have no idea who would be out there to fit that bill, or what cost would be, but in the right scenario, I'd like to see some veteran scoring added. With the natural progression of the young guys we have up front, we'll score more goals, no doubt about that. But you don't want too much pressure on guys like Gelinas, Andrews, MacDonald, even Desjardins. They'll all be better, and may even have a breakout year, however it'd be nice to have some experience to take the load off them. Also assuming we bring in a 17-18 yr old euro, you dont want the kid to come in and throw top line minutes on him and expect him to produce right away. If that happens, great, but you can't expect it or bank on it happening.
When you break it down, and this is assuming we'll lose Knotek, the only sure things up front will be Grant and Bernard (offensively speaking). And I only put Bernard in there because he'll be 19 and a 3rd year guy. He's got to step up, and I think he will. Apart from them, we'll still be young, so an experienced, skilled guy, is a good idea IMO. It might cost a pick, but we've got enough this year and next to use one up.
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Post by defresh101 on Apr 13, 2010 18:52:34 GMT -4
Interesting read in the Herald. I can't see them moving Corbeil unless a team drastically overpays. And considering he's only had 11 wins in 2 years, I can't see that happening. Everyone knows the teams he's played on haven't been good, but still. Who is going to overpay for a guy with 11 wins, and no playoff experience? Just isn't gonna happen. Matthew Wuest has an article on his blog, and I agree with it. If we're going to shot for 2011-2012 (I'm still not sold we'll be ready by then) then why trade him? Yes he'll be 20, but will only be going into his 2nd year as a drafted player. I doubt a team will draft him this summer, let him play next year, then put him in the AHL, or ECHL the next year. It's possible, but not probable. I'd say Delmas will be moved. I like the Saint John idea too. They will most defintely be in the market for a starting goalie, so they are probably one of the teams calling. I like he talk of a 20yr old scorer. We don't need anyone fancy, not a "high-end" guy, but a guy you can plug in the top 6 and count on some offensive consistancy from him. I have no idea who would be out there to fit that bill, or what cost would be, but in the right scenario, I'd like to see some veteran scoring added. With the natural progression of the young guys we have up front, we'll score more goals, no doubt about that. But you don't want too much pressure on guys like Gelinas, Andrews, MacDonald, even Desjardins. They'll all be better, and may even have a breakout year, however it'd be nice to have some experience to take the load off them. Also assuming we bring in a 17-18 yr old euro, you dont want the kid to come in and throw top line minutes on him and expect him to produce right away. If that happens, great, but you can't expect it or bank on it happening. When you break it down, and this is assuming we'll lose Knotek, the only sure things up front will be Grant and Bernard (offensively speaking). And I only put Bernard in there because he'll be 19 and a 3rd year guy. He's got to step up, and I think he will. Apart from them, we'll still be young, so an experienced, skilled guy, is a good idea IMO. It might cost a pick, but we've got enough this year and next to use one up. Think your abit off on some stuff your saying. Fisrtly there has been too much talk by scout this year about Corbeil. Some team will pick him up. Its too risky not to, the Moose getting winning next year and he progresses more his value will be way up there. Some NHL team will clue into that and risk abit and grab him this year. Think you way off. Secondly so the only sure thing we have next year offensivly is Grant and Bernard. Are you aware that Jesskyo Bernard played 56 games and has 16 points. What about Travis Randell hes somewhat experienced by this point. And what experience can Bernard give a guy like Gelinas who has done more in one year than Bernard has in his whole Q career. Age means squat sometimes look at Crosby he lit up the league and was gone by 18 years old.
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Post by offside on Apr 13, 2010 20:07:11 GMT -4
Word around Sackville is that both Duffy and Beaton will be in Mooseheads Uniforms some time next year also a bit surprising that the coaching staff are still pretty high on Wigginton and think he will fill a role for them next year?? That would be 3 Sackville kids on that team can't see it but has been mentioned several times at the rinks around here!!
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Post by howitzer on Apr 13, 2010 20:17:30 GMT -4
Interesting read in the Herald. I can't see them moving Corbeil unless a team drastically overpays. And considering he's only had 11 wins in 2 years, I can't see that happening. Everyone knows the teams he's played on haven't been good, but still. Who is going to overpay for a guy with 11 wins, and no playoff experience? Just isn't gonna happen. Matthew Wuest has an article on his blog, and I agree with it. If we're going to shot for 2011-2012 (I'm still not sold we'll be ready by then) then why trade him? Yes he'll be 20, but will only be going into his 2nd year as a drafted player. I doubt a team will draft him this summer, let him play next year, then put him in the AHL, or ECHL the next year. It's possible, but not probable. I'd say Delmas will be moved. I like the Saint John idea too. They will most defintely be in the market for a starting goalie, so they are probably one of the teams calling. I like he talk of a 20yr old scorer. We don't need anyone fancy, not a "high-end" guy, but a guy you can plug in the top 6 and count on some offensive consistancy from him. I have no idea who would be out there to fit that bill, or what cost would be, but in the right scenario, I'd like to see some veteran scoring added. With the natural progression of the young guys we have up front, we'll score more goals, no doubt about that. But you don't want too much pressure on guys like Gelinas, Andrews, MacDonald, even Desjardins. They'll all be better, and may even have a breakout year, however it'd be nice to have some experience to take the load off them. Also assuming we bring in a 17-18 yr old euro, you dont want the kid to come in and throw top line minutes on him and expect him to produce right away. If that happens, great, but you can't expect it or bank on it happening. When you break it down, and this is assuming we'll lose Knotek, the only sure things up front will be Grant and Bernard (offensively speaking). And I only put Bernard in there because he'll be 19 and a 3rd year guy. He's got to step up, and I think he will. Apart from them, we'll still be young, so an experienced, skilled guy, is a good idea IMO. It might cost a pick, but we've got enough this year and next to use one up. Think your abit off on some stuff your saying. Fisrtly there has been too much talk by scout this year about Corbeil. Some team will pick him up. Its too risky not to, the Moose getting winning next year and he progresses more his value will be way up there. Some NHL team will clue into that and risk abit and grab him this year. Think you way off. Secondly so the only sure thing we have next year offensivly is Grant and Bernard. Are you aware that Jesskyo Bernard played 56 games and has 16 points. What about Travis Randell hes somewhat experienced by this point. And what experience can Bernard give a guy like Gelinas who has done more in one year than Bernard has in his whole Q career. Age means squat sometimes look at Crosby he lit up the league and was gone by 18 years old. WTF?? You need to re-read my post. Where did I say Corbeil won't be drafted? Of course he'll get drafted, but he'll still play next year for us, and IMO will be in the league as a 20 yr old. We can get decent value for Delmas in a trade. If we trade Corbeil, then next year we're looking for a starting goalie. Makes zero sense to trade him (unless Cam is blown away). I wasn't even discussing the NHL draft and Corbeil. I was talking about the idea of trading him. Are you aware players get better as they get older and produce more as they mature? Im fully aware of Jessyko Bernard's numbers. They weren't much. But did you miss where I mentioned how he's going to be 19 and going into his 3rd year in the league?? And where I think is ready to produce more?? Just because he had 16 pts this year means he's going to have 16 pts next year? Yea, you definitely need to read better because when I mentioned Grant and Bernard I specifically said "offensively speaking". Of course Travis Randall has experience and will be a big part of our forward group, but if you're counting on him to lead us offensively then you're going to be dissapointed. Randall is a great #3 centre on a contender. He doesn't have the natural scoring abilities or instincts to be a threat night in and night out offensively. I don't understand why you would compare any of our players to Crosby, and what he accomplished. He's a generational talent and you can't compare or relate anything he did to the normal hockey player.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 14, 2010 7:03:45 GMT -4
Think your abit off on some stuff your saying. Fisrtly there has been too much talk by scout this year about Corbeil. Some team will pick him up. Its too risky not to, the Moose getting winning next year and he progresses more his value will be way up there. Some NHL team will clue into that and risk abit and grab him this year. Think you way off. Secondly so the only sure thing we have next year offensivly is Grant and Bernard. Are you aware that Jesskyo Bernard played 56 games and has 16 points. What about Travis Randell hes somewhat experienced by this point. And what experience can Bernard give a guy like Gelinas who has done more in one year than Bernard has in his whole Q career. Age means squat sometimes look at Crosby he lit up the league and was gone by 18 years old. WTF?? You need to re-read my post. Where did I say Corbeil won't be drafted? Of course he'll get drafted, but he'll still play next year for us, and IMO will be in the league as a 20 yr old. We can get decent value for Delmas in a trade. If we trade Corbeil, then next year we're looking for a starting goalie. Makes zero sense to trade him (unless Cam is blown away). I wasn't even discussing the NHL draft and Corbeil. I was talking about the idea of trading him. Are you aware players get better as they get older and produce more as they mature? Im fully aware of Jessyko Bernard's numbers. They weren't much. But did you miss where I mentioned how he's going to be 19 and going into his 3rd year in the league?? And where I think is ready to produce more?? Just because he had 16 pts this year means he's going to have 16 pts next year? Yea, you definitely need to read better because when I mentioned Grant and Bernard I specifically said "offensively speaking". Of course Travis Randall has experience and will be a big part of our forward group, but if you're counting on him to lead us offensively then you're going to be dissapointed. Randall is a great #3 centre on a contender. He doesn't have the natural scoring abilities or instincts to be a threat night in and night out offensively. I don't understand why you would compare any of our players to Crosby, and what he accomplished. He's a generational talent and you can't compare or relate anything he did to the normal hockey player. Howitzer.....in your first paragraph you said "I doubt a team will draft him this summer".
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Post by lalalaprise on Apr 14, 2010 8:08:56 GMT -4
WTF?? You need to re-read my post. Where did I say Corbeil won't be drafted? Of course he'll get drafted, but he'll still play next year for us, and IMO will be in the league as a 20 yr old. We can get decent value for Delmas in a trade. If we trade Corbeil, then next year we're looking for a starting goalie. Makes zero sense to trade him (unless Cam is blown away). I wasn't even discussing the NHL draft and Corbeil. I was talking about the idea of trading him. Are you aware players get better as they get older and produce more as they mature? Im fully aware of Jessyko Bernard's numbers. They weren't much. But did you miss where I mentioned how he's going to be 19 and going into his 3rd year in the league?? And where I think is ready to produce more?? Just because he had 16 pts this year means he's going to have 16 pts next year? Yea, you definitely need to read better because when I mentioned Grant and Bernard I specifically said "offensively speaking". Of course Travis Randall has experience and will be a big part of our forward group, but if you're counting on him to lead us offensively then you're going to be dissapointed. Randall is a great #3 centre on a contender. He doesn't have the natural scoring abilities or instincts to be a threat night in and night out offensively. I don't understand why you would compare any of our players to Crosby, and what he accomplished. He's a generational talent and you can't compare or relate anything he did to the normal hockey player. Howitzer.....in your first paragraph you said "I doubt a team will draft him this summer". And if you continue to read the sentence it all makes sense... "I doubt a team will draft him this summer, let him play next year, then put him in the AHL, or ECHL the next year" He didnt say he wasnt getting drafted...he was speaking to the fact he doubts a team will draft him and put him in pro hockey at 20.
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Post by sharrow on Apr 14, 2010 9:16:30 GMT -4
I think that Bernard will be traded at the draft and become a 19 yr old project for another organization, also I don't see where there will be a spot for Wiggington, Mc Guigan or Costello all back to Junior 'A'.
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