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Post by lalalaprise on May 7, 2010 7:57:25 GMT -4
Maybe I shouldn't have nailed it down to 'having seen them play' I'm sure most of us on here can make a somewhat realistic list based on things we've heard/read, stats, size, etc. Would be interesting to see. I thought of another side of what your asking. From the players that are rated is there any that might slip out of the first round that we can steal at 19 like we did with Bishop last year. Bishop was rated top 10 last year but fell to 19 and Cam was really excited about being able to get him there. Halifax didnt really steal Bishop...he went where he should have gone based on talent...he was overranked by siome folks.
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Post by howitzer on May 7, 2010 8:01:17 GMT -4
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Post by howitzer on May 7, 2010 8:19:39 GMT -4
The situation could get pretty complicated. It could also turn out fairly simple and we take Matheson at #2. BC holds all the cards right now. It sure would have been nice to win that coin toss and take all the guess work out of it.
Interesting angle that Matheson could be playing in order to go to an English speaking team. Even above that he might be playing a little bit of the NCAA thing. How much would the NCAA thing turn off Halifax?? I personally don't think a lot, but in is article, Willy Palov does mention how we might want to avoid the headache ourselves.
From reading Radoter, it seems BC fans are fairly split on who they want to take at #1. Some say take best player regardless (Matheson) but a lot of others want them to take Ciampini. They think their defence is solid going forward and they want a scorer.
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Post by lalalaprise on May 7, 2010 10:06:48 GMT -4
I dont think Halifax are concerned in the least about Matheson not reporting...
I see a large difference between Matheson and everyone else (i know a real shocker) so if I was sitting there at #2 id do everything possible to flip picks. If Halifax doesnt see a big difference than id imagine they would just hold onto #2 and go from there.
Halifax may take the risk and hope BaC takes Ciampini, which im guessing is exactly what happens.
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Post by Gman on May 7, 2010 10:35:09 GMT -4
I dont think Halifax are concerned in the least about Matheson not reporting... I see a large difference between Matheson and everyone else (i know a real shocker) so if I was sitting there at #2 id do everything possible to flip picks. If Halifax doesnt see a big difference than id imagine they would just hold onto #2 and go from there. Halifax may take the risk and hope BaC takes Ciampini, which im guessing is exactly what happens. I'm not a GM, so I don't know how effective it would be for Russell to play mind games going in. What if he flat out told BC, no thanks, the player we feel is best will be there at #2, causing some doubt in BC's mind that the Moose may be targetting someone other than Matheson. Does that kind of stuff work?
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Post by lalalaprise on May 7, 2010 10:48:03 GMT -4
I dont think Halifax are concerned in the least about Matheson not reporting... I see a large difference between Matheson and everyone else (i know a real shocker) so if I was sitting there at #2 id do everything possible to flip picks. If Halifax doesnt see a big difference than id imagine they would just hold onto #2 and go from there. Halifax may take the risk and hope BaC takes Ciampini, which im guessing is exactly what happens. I'm not a GM, so I don't know how effective it would be for Russell to play mind games going in. What if he flat out told BC, no thanks, the player we feel is best will be there at #2, causing some doubt in BC's mind that the Moose may be targetting someone other than Matheson. Does that kind of stuff work? I dont think mind games ever really work. If Cam says to the BC GM that he feels the best guy will be there at #2 id still assume Halifax wanted Matheson and was just trying to get out of having to pay a price to swap picks. But it is awfully tough to take a kid 1st overall who you have doubts will report, thats why I feel BAC will try and give off the perseption that they MIGHT take Matheson, but deep down inside they probably know for certain they wont do that. I guess they would try and plant a seed of doubt, even to extract a 2nd rd pick in 2011 (for example). Its worth a shot to them, nothing to lose really.
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Post by howitzer on May 7, 2010 10:59:00 GMT -4
Is the NCAA threat always kind of been the for Matheson, or is this something that's just popped up over the last month or two?
I ask that because if it's something that's just come up recently that he MIGHT go NCAA then BaC might be more inclined to call his bluff on it and take him. As opposed to it being something that has been talked about as a possibility all season long, therefore holding more water to Q teams, and seriously scaring off BaC.
I agree it would be an extremely tough sell for the Drakkar to draft a kid who might not want to report. They've had some rough seasons lately and can not afford to miss with this #1 overall pick.
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Post by Qfan69 on May 7, 2010 11:18:50 GMT -4
I thought of another side of what your asking. From the players that are rated is there any that might slip out of the first round that we can steal at 19 like we did with Bishop last year. Bishop was rated top 10 last year but fell to 19 and Cam was really excited about being able to get him there. Halifax didnt really steal Bishop...he went where he should have gone based on talent...he was overranked by siome folks. I knew someone was going to say that but what I ment was he was ranked so high and fell to 19 is there any of those guys out there?
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Post by fireball on May 7, 2010 18:57:59 GMT -4
Lala, I do not mean to be smart or factitious, but what are your qualifications on determing the strengthens of these upcoming draft picks? Do not take it the wrong way please !
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 19:11:07 GMT -4
Lala, I do not mean to be smart or factitious, but what are your qualifications on determing the strengthens of these upcoming draft picks? Do not take it the wrong way please ! I think you meant facetious, which is ironic because I mean it to be said as a smart ass ;D
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Post by lalalaprise on May 7, 2010 23:28:28 GMT -4
Lala, I do not mean to be smart or factitious, but what are your qualifications on determing the strengthens of these upcoming draft picks? Do not take it the wrong way please ! You dont need qualifications to give your opinion... Whether you want to take my opinions as credible is everyone's own choice.
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Post by sharrow on May 9, 2010 10:56:40 GMT -4
here is how I see the 2010/11 Mooseheads after the draft and after camp breaks: GOAL, Delmas, Corbeil & 2nd Rd Pick, D-MEN, Abeltshauser, Clarke, Amyot, Hannay, Bishop, Lewis, Gillard & 3rd Rd Pick, 1ST LINE, Grant, Trade & Randell, 2ND LINE, Desjardins, Euro Pick & Gelinas, 3RD LINE, Andrews, MacDonald & Lemieux, 4TH LINE Ciampini, Boudreau & 1ST RD Pick, Extra Fwds, 2ND RD Pick & 2RD PIck. We have the following assets to acquire that other 1ST RD Pick, Knotek, Bety, Dimitruk & Bernard plus 2011 draft picks. I'd say we would likely start the season with a 25 man squad. And like LaLa stated we are all entitled to our opinion this is mine what is yours ??
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Post by qmaniac on May 9, 2010 11:38:59 GMT -4
here is how I see the 2010/11 Mooseheads after the draft and after camp breaks: GOAL, Delmas, Corbeil & 2nd Rd Pick, D-MEN, Abeltshauser, Clarke, Amyot, Hannay, Bishop, Lewis, Gillard & 3rd Rd Pick, 1ST LINE, Grant, Trade & Randell, 2ND LINE, Desjardins, Euro Pick & Gelinas, 3RD LINE, Andrews, MacDonald & Lemieux, 4TH LINE Ciampini, Boudreau & 1ST RD Pick, Extra Fwds, 2ND RD Pick & 2RD PIck. We have the following assets to acquire that other 1ST RD Pick, Knotek, Bety, Dimitruk & Bernard plus 2011 draft picks. I'd say we would likely start the season with a 25 man squad. And like LaLa stated we are all entitled to our opinion this is mine what is yours ?? I doubt you see Corbeil and Delmas back. He is (Delmas) your best shot to achieve your other 1st in some sort of package. I also don't think the Moose will head into '10/'11 without Charles Bety. He is a Cam Russell type player that is apparently great in the room and serves as a positive role model for Quebec kids who gets young players to develop solid work habits. Plus he isn't going to attract as much as some other assets would on the market.
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Post by sharrow on May 9, 2010 12:33:17 GMT -4
Non impact 20 yr olds are a thing of the past in Halifax we would have had none last year but we had to fill holes and had no other choice, this coming season is different, we will have sufficient players and then some, while I'm somewhat in agreement that we may possibly see either Corbeil or Delmas traded I don't really think it will be until Christmas or until they have enough confidence in the newcomer's ability to be able to start about 20 games, we are probably going to start the season with both veterans (Remember we could trade Delmas at anytime with him being an overager). Also Clarke's status will remain unknown at this point, with my line-up I'm assuming he going to stay as well as both veteran goalies but of course anything is possible. I think we have enough players and 2011 picks to get that important other 1ST RD Pick plus the 1ST line player.
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Post by MikeC on May 9, 2010 12:34:10 GMT -4
here is how I see the 2010/11 Mooseheads after the draft and after camp breaks: GOAL, Delmas, Corbeil & 2nd Rd Pick, D-MEN, Abeltshauser, Clarke, Amyot, Hannay, Bishop, Lewis, Gillard & 3rd Rd Pick, 1ST LINE, Grant, Trade & Randell, 2ND LINE, Desjardins, Euro Pick & Gelinas, 3RD LINE, Andrews, MacDonald & Lemieux, 4TH LINE Ciampini, Boudreau & 1ST RD Pick, Extra Fwds, 2ND RD Pick & 2RD PIck. We have the following assets to acquire that other 1ST RD Pick, Knotek, Bety, Dimitruk & Bernard plus 2011 draft picks. I'd say we would likely start the season with a 25 man squad. And like LaLa stated we are all entitled to our opinion this is mine what is yours ?? You have us trading for a 1st round pick and a 1st line forward. We would have to trade some substantial 2011 picks to get both those things, because what you have listed as assets to trade will not get us that.
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