Qfan69
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Jun 17, 2010 10:32:40 GMT -4
Post by Qfan69 on Jun 17, 2010 10:32:40 GMT -4
We might as well have some fun and see what everyone's on the matter are now.
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Jun 17, 2010 11:12:50 GMT -4
Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jun 17, 2010 11:12:50 GMT -4
Both guys would be good goalies and will help bring along Terrenzio (sp)... Corbeil could very well be back next year too. Delmas is definately done this year. But Corbeil should have more trade value right now.
I think it makes the most sense trading Corbeil for a nice asset, and letting Delmas be #1 and bring along Terrenzio, assuming this kid is actually as good as they say he can be. By holding Corbeil though, we could have him next year, preventing Terrenzio from being handed the #1 too early. Although that could be remedied by adding a decent veteran next season to share the load.
One thing for sure, it wont be both of them unless our prospects are clearly not ready for this level, in which case maybe we go with both till Xmas...
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Jun 17, 2010 12:31:05 GMT -4
Post by mikeb on Jun 17, 2010 12:31:05 GMT -4
Both guys would be good goalies and will help bring along Terrenzio (sp)... Corbeil could very well be back next year too. Delmas is definately done this year. But Corbeil should have more trade value right now. I think it makes the most sense trading Corbeil for a nice asset, and letting Delmas be #1 and bring along Terrenzio, assuming this kid is actually as good as they say he can be. By holding Corbeil though, we could have him next year, preventing Terrenzio from being handed the #1 too early. Although that could be remedied by adding a decent veteran next season to share the load. One thing for sure, it wont be both of them unless our prospects are clearly not ready for this level, in which case maybe we go with both till Xmas... Wow. That post was so politician like. Said a lot but committed to nothing adding nothing new to the discussion. You running in any election soon. You have my vote.
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Jun 17, 2010 13:01:00 GMT -4
Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jun 17, 2010 13:01:00 GMT -4
Both guys would be good goalies and will help bring along Terrenzio (sp)... Corbeil could very well be back next year too. Delmas is definately done this year. But Corbeil should have more trade value right now. I think it makes the most sense trading Corbeil for a nice asset, and letting Delmas be #1 and bring along Terrenzio, assuming this kid is actually as good as they say he can be. By holding Corbeil though, we could have him next year, preventing Terrenzio from being handed the #1 too early. Although that could be remedied by adding a decent veteran next season to share the load. One thing for sure, it wont be both of them unless our prospects are clearly not ready for this level, in which case maybe we go with both till Xmas... Wow. That post was so politician like. Said a lot but committed to nothing adding nothing new to the discussion. You running in any election soon. You have my vote. I said what I thought in bold, while discussing the other options... I added a few of the arguments for or against... And what discussion was I not adding to? I was the first reply! I AM the discussion lol
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Jun 17, 2010 13:11:04 GMT -4
Post by Smiley on Jun 17, 2010 13:11:04 GMT -4
Wow. That post was so politician like. Said a lot but committed to nothing adding nothing new to the discussion. You running in any election soon. You have my vote. I said what I thought in bold, Your post has no bold in it.
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Jun 17, 2010 13:40:01 GMT -4
Post by canbeer on Jun 17, 2010 13:40:01 GMT -4
If it was based on who I think would make this team better this year then Delmas but it's far from that easy.
I think for Corbeil to be moved you need to get a top asset in return and he can't be moved at a discount. With Delmas I don't think the Moose would feel the need to be as picky in their return and would be fine with picking up a 4th or 5th.
Delmas I think only cost a 6th.
Corbeil is going to the Canadian Jr. goalie summer camp (or whatever they call it), is 19 and is about to be drafted into the NHL. All of that combined with it looking like a crappy goalie year in the Q and he can't be given away.
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Jun 17, 2010 13:45:39 GMT -4
Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jun 17, 2010 13:45:39 GMT -4
If it was based on who I think would make this team better this year then Delmas but it's far from that easy. I think for Corbeil to be moved you need to get a top asset in return and he can't be moved at a discount. With Delmas I don't think the Moose would feel the need to be as picky in their return and would be fine with picking up a 4th or 5th. Delmas I think only cost a 6th. Corbeil is going to the Canadian Jr. goalie summer camp (or whatever they call it), is 19 and is about to be drafted into the NHL. All of that combined with it looking like a crappy goalie year in the Q and he can't be given away. please add to the discussion
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Jun 17, 2010 14:18:21 GMT -4
Post by sharrow on Jun 17, 2010 14:18:21 GMT -4
There are two real possibilities that could exist (1) Rimouski wanting Delmas and (2) Saint John seeking to make a deal for Corbeil, it should play itself out around training camp in the middle of August.
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Jun 17, 2010 19:53:39 GMT -4
Post by howitzer on Jun 17, 2010 19:53:39 GMT -4
What about an option C....and that being they keep neither.
I honestly think you'll see Delmas moved before the season, and then Corbeil moved at x-mas. May sound unlikely but here is why I think it's what will happen. They're not going to bring Terenzio up here and tell him he's going to be a back-up this year and then maybe a back-up next year, depending on Corbeil's status. There's no way the kid would come up with a scenario like that. They have Terenzio pegged to be the starter next year, so no matter what happens with Corbeil (AHL or whether he comes back) the prime opportunity to get full value on that asset is to move him at x-mas. Everyday after the trade deadline his value will decrease. So if all along Cam knows in his head, ok Terenzio is our guy next year, then why keep Corbeil?? Makes no sense.
I think the team is confident Terenzio can step right in the Q and play. It's a risk, but I think a calculated risk on their behalf. If you look at some of the quotes in the media, like "he's very mature for a 17"....."he's going to be given every chance to be #1"....."he's a big part of our future"...to me all that means is they're going to give in him the #1 job as soon as they can. So trade Delmas whenever ( get a 4th 5th rder back) go with Terenzio and Corbeil till xmas and then move Corbeil and go with Terenzio as the #1. And maybe pick up a cheap back-up just to give a cushion to Terenzio. I can't see them moving Corbeil anytime before x-mas because why would you, prices are ALWAYS higher at that time. So the scenario of go with Delmas and Terenzio to me isn't an option at all. And they definitely wont keep all 3 until x-mas, so that means Delmas will be moved asap.
To not move Corbeil at x-mas would be a huge opportunity missed to cash in on an assest. The market is ripe for a move like that, and I just can't see Cam pissing it away. And like I said, it all boils down to the fact the regardless of what happens with Corbeil, Terenzio will be our guy next year. If that wasn't the scenario, then the kid wouldn't have committed to come up. So move Corbeil at a time when you can get max value, and that being x-mas.
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Jun 17, 2010 20:00:01 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 20:00:01 GMT -4
What about an option C....and that being they keep neither. I honestly think you'll see Delmas moved before the season, and then Corbeil moved at x-mas. May sound unlikely but here is why I think it's what will happen. They're not going to bring Terenzio up here and tell him he's going to be a back-up this year and then maybe a back-up next year, depending on Corbeil's status. There's no way the kid would come up with a scenario like that. They have Terenzio pegged to be the starter next year, so no matter what happens with Corbeil (AHL or whether he comes back) the prime opportunity to get full value on that asset is to move him at x-mas. Everyday after the trade deadline his value will decrease. So if all along Cam knows in his head, ok Terenzio is our guy next year, then why keep Corbeil?? Makes no sense. I think the team is confident Terenzio can step right in the Q and play. It's a risk, but I think a calculated risk on their behalf. If you look at some of the quotes in the media, like "he's very mature for a 17"....."he's going to be given every chance to be #1"....."he's a big part of our future"...to me all that means is they're going to give in him the #1 job as soon as they can. So trade Delmas whenever ( get a 4th 5th rder back) go with Terenzio and Corbeil till xmas and then move Corbeil and go with Terenzio as the #1. And maybe pick up a cheap back-up just to give a cushion to Terenzio. I can't see them moving Corbeil anytime before x-mas because why would you, prices are ALWAYS higher at that time. So the scenario of go with Delmas and Terenzio to me isn't an option at all. And they definitely wont keep all 3 until x-mas, so that means Delmas will be moved asap. To not move Corbeil at x-mas would be a huge opportunity missed to cash in on an assest. The market is ripe for a move like that, and I just can't see Cam pissing it away. And like I said, it all boils down to the fact the regardless of what happens with Corbeil, Terenzio will be our guy next year. If that wasn't the scenario, then the kid wouldn't have committed to come up. So move Corbeil at a time when you can get max value, and that being x-mas. It's definitely risky but I like it!!!
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Jun 18, 2010 7:12:44 GMT -4
Post by mikeb on Jun 18, 2010 7:12:44 GMT -4
Wow. That post was so politician like. Said a lot but committed to nothing adding nothing new to the discussion. You running in any election soon. You have my vote. I AM the discussion lol Spoken like a true politician...
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Jun 18, 2010 8:38:35 GMT -4
Post by jimmy on Jun 18, 2010 8:38:35 GMT -4
What about an option C....and that being they keep neither. I honestly think you'll see Delmas moved before the season, and then Corbeil moved at x-mas. May sound unlikely but here is why I think it's what will happen. They're not going to bring Terenzio up here and tell him he's going to be a back-up this year and then maybe a back-up next year, depending on Corbeil's status. There's no way the kid would come up with a scenario like that. They have Terenzio pegged to be the starter next year, so no matter what happens with Corbeil (AHL or whether he comes back) the prime opportunity to get full value on that asset is to move him at x-mas. Everyday after the trade deadline his value will decrease. So if all along Cam knows in his head, ok Terenzio is our guy next year, then why keep Corbeil?? Makes no sense. I think the team is confident Terenzio can step right in the Q and play. It's a risk, but I think a calculated risk on their behalf. If you look at some of the quotes in the media, like "he's very mature for a 17"....."he's going to be given every chance to be #1"....."he's a big part of our future"...to me all that means is they're going to give in him the #1 job as soon as they can. So trade Delmas whenever ( get a 4th 5th rder back) go with Terenzio and Corbeil till xmas and then move Corbeil and go with Terenzio as the #1. And maybe pick up a cheap back-up just to give a cushion to Terenzio. I can't see them moving Corbeil anytime before x-mas because why would you, prices are ALWAYS higher at that time. So the scenario of go with Delmas and Terenzio to me isn't an option at all. And they definitely wont keep all 3 until x-mas, so that means Delmas will be moved asap. To not move Corbeil at x-mas would be a huge opportunity missed to cash in on an assest. The market is ripe for a move like that, and I just can't see Cam pissing it away. And like I said, it all boils down to the fact the regardless of what happens with Corbeil, Terenzio will be our guy next year. If that wasn't the scenario, then the kid wouldn't have committed to come up. So move Corbeil at a time when you can get max value, and that being x-mas. The only potential wrinkle in your theory is that assumes Corbeil will be in demand as an elite goalie at Xmas, which to me will depend entirely on his first half. The scouts love Corbeil, but the stats have yet to back it up - his on-ice play has never yet earned him the status of undisputed #1 on a bad Q team, let alone as a #1 that a championship contender needs to sacrifice an arm and a leg for ... Corbeil SHOULD be one of the top 19 year goalies in the Q - but he still needs to make it happen on the ice ... if you trade him now, you might get a team willing to pay for his potential ... if you wait until Xmas, you might hit the jackpot if he has a big first half, but if he has an inconsistent first half, all of a sudden his value would be pretty limited - no one would give you much for a struggling 19 year old goalie.
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Jun 18, 2010 8:41:55 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2010 8:41:55 GMT -4
I know what you are saying Howitzer and to me that is the most flexible option. However I think you evaluate Terenzio over the first half before you deal Corbeil. If Terenzio can give the team chances to win, against teams they should beat in the first half then maybe Corbeil would be an asset we can get some value for. At that point who would backup Terenzio would be the question as I think playing him most nights in the second half might be a bit much.
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Jun 18, 2010 8:52:52 GMT -4
Post by fireball on Jun 18, 2010 8:52:52 GMT -4
The Mooseheads have to have a experienced goaltender with Terenzio this season for sure ! He hasn't even played a game of Major Junior yet !
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Jun 18, 2010 9:15:55 GMT -4
Post by howitzer on Jun 18, 2010 9:15:55 GMT -4
What about an option C....and that being they keep neither. I honestly think you'll see Delmas moved before the season, and then Corbeil moved at x-mas. May sound unlikely but here is why I think it's what will happen. They're not going to bring Terenzio up here and tell him he's going to be a back-up this year and then maybe a back-up next year, depending on Corbeil's status. There's no way the kid would come up with a scenario like that. They have Terenzio pegged to be the starter next year, so no matter what happens with Corbeil (AHL or whether he comes back) the prime opportunity to get full value on that asset is to move him at x-mas. Everyday after the trade deadline his value will decrease. So if all along Cam knows in his head, ok Terenzio is our guy next year, then why keep Corbeil?? Makes no sense. I think the team is confident Terenzio can step right in the Q and play. It's a risk, but I think a calculated risk on their behalf. If you look at some of the quotes in the media, like "he's very mature for a 17"....."he's going to be given every chance to be #1"....."he's a big part of our future"...to me all that means is they're going to give in him the #1 job as soon as they can. So trade Delmas whenever ( get a 4th 5th rder back) go with Terenzio and Corbeil till xmas and then move Corbeil and go with Terenzio as the #1. And maybe pick up a cheap back-up just to give a cushion to Terenzio. I can't see them moving Corbeil anytime before x-mas because why would you, prices are ALWAYS higher at that time. So the scenario of go with Delmas and Terenzio to me isn't an option at all. And they definitely wont keep all 3 until x-mas, so that means Delmas will be moved asap. To not move Corbeil at x-mas would be a huge opportunity missed to cash in on an assest. The market is ripe for a move like that, and I just can't see Cam pissing it away. And like I said, it all boils down to the fact the regardless of what happens with Corbeil, Terenzio will be our guy next year. If that wasn't the scenario, then the kid wouldn't have committed to come up. So move Corbeil at a time when you can get max value, and that being x-mas. The only potential wrinkle in your theory is that assumes Corbeil will be in demand as an elite goalie at Xmas, which to me will depend entirely on his first half. The scouts love Corbeil, but the stats have yet to back it up - his on-ice play has never yet earned him the status of undisputed #1 on a bad Q team, let alone as a #1 that a championship contender needs to sacrifice an arm and a leg for ... Corbeil SHOULD be one of the top 19 year goalies in the Q - but he still needs to make it happen on the ice ... if you trade him now, you might get a team willing to pay for his potential ... if you wait until Xmas, you might hit the jackpot if he has a big first half, but if he has an inconsistent first half, all of a sudden his value would be pretty limited - no one would give you much for a struggling 19 year old goalie. Yep I agree with that. He needs to have a strong first half in order for him to have great value at x-mas. The other thing too is injury. If he got injured in Oct and was out for a while, that would obviously be a big blow to us dealing him. And like you said, if he comes in and plays bad, then maybe in hindsight a pre-season trade would have been best. Who knows, maybe a team picks up the phone and makes Cam an offer he can't refuse during the Aug trade period. In that case you go with Delmas and Terenzio. My scenario is definitely "best case". But I also don't think it's that far fetched. Unless Corbeil absolutely shits the bed, his numbers and play should be better. If nothing alone the team in front of him should be better, so that's a good start. Also like webber mentioned, a lot depends on how Terenzio plays as well.
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