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Post by crash on Apr 12, 2014 14:43:35 GMT -4
A spot may have just opened up in Tampa for Drouin, if there wasn't already one for him. Ryan Malone has been charged with DUI and cocaine possession. Malone will be suspended internally for one game and play in the playoffs. This type of thing rarely has any effect on a player's career. If any jail time results from it, it'll be in the off-season ala Brysgalov. I said before that I'd like him to mature. He has put this team on his back in the playoffs and shown he can take hacks and slashes without retaliating. He took 2 minor penalties in the series. One was for hooking, which he had to take or Poirier (I think) would've been in on a breakaway. The other wasy for goalie interference which was ridiculous and unintentional. I couldn't believe he had the "C" in the Super Series, and an "A" at the World Jrs. He has shown he can lead by example. I don't think he'll need a spot to open up on Tampa next year. He will be on their 2nd line in October. Good on him too. He's too smart to be doing was he was doing earlier in the year. It may not be that simple for Malone. He's not going with the team to Washington for the last regular season game, but he has been scratched for the past three games in any case. He's having a terrible season - 15 pts in 57 games. He has had 7 traffic violations since June, and already had a court date at the end of the month for driving with a suspended license. It might be suggested to him that the NHL Substance Abuse Program would be be a good option for him right now. He is headed down the wrong road.
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Post by nsvees on Apr 12, 2014 14:54:57 GMT -4
He might not be with the Lightning next season even if this incident hadn't happened anyway. An aging player with declining production with a contract Tampa Bay probably would like to get out from (didn't he sign for 4-5 million a year a few years ago after he left he was traded there by Pittsburgh Penguins in 2008?). I'm not sure of his contract status (how many years left on his contract); they could release him or buy him out (I don't know if they have any compliance buyouts they could use on him).
It's obvious Malone is in dire need of help. For his sake, I hope he gets it.
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Post by bois on Apr 14, 2014 9:18:02 GMT -4
A spot may have just opened up in Tampa for Drouin, if there wasn't already one for him. Ryan Malone has been charged with DUI and cocaine possession. Malone wasn't holding Drouin back.. he's been a 4th liner/healthy scratch most of the year anyway and was a prime target for a compliance buyout in the summer... i'd say this sealed that happening if it wasn't anyway I bet he doesn't even travel with the team for the playoffs now
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 25, 2014 9:24:08 GMT -4
herald.ns.ca/mooseheads/1202921-inside-the-q-soak-up-drouin-s-brillianceGood summary of what Drouin has been doing. Tying Mario Lemieux`s playoff scoring stats in almost the same number of games is simply amazing given the era Lemieux played in. His progression this year should be exhibit A for why leaving a top prospect in junior sometimes is the best thing for them. Drouin is a significantly better/stronger/faster player this year than he was last year, plus he is doing it while playing center. I agree with Palov - most dominant junior since Crosby and I have never seen any player with his puck handling skill, which is on display virtually every shift. I shudder at those who say "His constant dangling frustrates me to no end but..." lol. I thoroughly enjoy watching him do what he does every time, and he rarely makes a mistake that ends up in our net. He has put this team on his back these playoffs. It seems like everyone else has struggled to varying degrees the last 2 series, but he just keeps on dominating despite tons of special attention being given to him.
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Post by bois on Apr 25, 2014 10:46:15 GMT -4
I agree with you Crazy Joe...... to me Drouin this year is more dominant than anybody I have seen play since Crosby .....
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 25, 2014 11:15:38 GMT -4
I agree with you Crazy Joe...... to me Drouin this year is more dominant than anybody I have seen play since Crosby ..... ......and he should be considering the age. He is 19 right now. I don't think Crosby played in the league after his 18th birthday, so his oldest play in the Q would have been 17 .
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 25, 2014 11:37:16 GMT -4
I agree with you Crazy Joe...... to me Drouin this year is more dominant than anybody I have seen play since Crosby ..... ......and he should be considering the age. He is 19 right now. I don't think Crosby played in the league after his 18th birthday, so his oldest play in the Q would have been 17 . Another discrediting comment after a pro moosehead post... if you are 1 thing, its predictable. Compare him to everyone...19, 20 and 21 year olds if you want. We arent talking age here...
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Post by Reesor on Apr 25, 2014 11:37:47 GMT -4
I agree with you Crazy Joe...... to me Drouin this year is more dominant than anybody I have seen play since Crosby ..... ......and he should be considering the age. He is 19 right now. I don't think Crosby played in the league after his 18th birthday, so his oldest play in the Q would have been 17 . Best since Crosby. Meaning Crosby was more dominant. Meaning Crosby's stats/age don't matter in this particular conversion, since we are acknowledging Crosby was better. One could argue Radulov at 19 in 05-06 was better. But then we'd have to use your age argument.
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Post by Murph on Apr 25, 2014 14:54:44 GMT -4
I agree with you Crazy Joe...... to me Drouin this year is more dominant than anybody I have seen play since Crosby ..... ......and he should be considering the age. He is 19 right now. I don't think Crosby played in the league after his 18th birthday, so his oldest play in the Q would have been 17 . It doesn't really work like that. Players don't start playing on their birthday. It goes by age-bracket. So if Crosby starts playing hockey at age 6. And Drouin starts playing hockey at age 6, then whether Drouin's birthday is in March, and Crosby's in August is irrelevant, since the hockey year begins in September. The month the player was born in has no bearing, unless you're trying to imply hockey development begins the second a kid leaves the womb. What you are assuming, is that Crosby and Drouin began hockey at the same age. If Crosby started at 6, and Drouin didn't start until 8, then technically Drouin is less-seasoned than Crosby. It all depends on when you want to argue development begins. Personally, I think it really starts to turn in Peewee. Crosby played 1 year ahead in minor hockey, so Drouin and Crosby essentially have the same amount of time to develop at this stage. As of this moment Drouin has played 175 QMJHL games and two world juniors. He currently is scoring at a 2.84 ppg clip. Crosby through his 17 year old QMJHL season had 143 games played also with two world juniors. In his final playoffs, he scored at a rate of 2.38 ppg. Their experience is fairly similar. Their ages as some sort of relevant point doesn't hold much weight as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 25, 2014 15:04:45 GMT -4
......and he should be considering the age. He is 19 right now. I don't think Crosby played in the league after his 18th birthday, so his oldest play in the Q would have been 17 . It doesn't really work like that. Players don't start playing on their birthday. It goes by age-bracket. So if Crosby starts playing hockey at age 6. And Drouin starts playing hockey at age 6, then whether Drouin's birthday is in March, and Crosby's in August is irrelevant, since the hockey year begins in September. The month the player was born in has no bearing, unless you're trying to imply hockey development begins the second a kid leaves the womb. What you are assuming, is that Crosby and Drouin began hockey at the same age. If Crosby started at 6, and Drouin didn't start until 8, then technically Drouin is less-seasoned than Crosby. It all depends on when you want to argue development begins. Personally, I think it really starts to turn in Peewee. Crosby played 1 year ahead in minor hockey, so Drouin and Crosby essentially have the same amount of time to develop at this stage. As of this moment Drouin has played 175 QMJHL games and two world juniors. He currently is scoring at a 2.84 ppg clip. Crosby through his 17 year old QMJHL season had 143 games played also with two world juniors. In his final playoffs, he scored at a rate of 2.38 ppg. Their experience is fairly similar. Their ages as some sort of relevant point doesn't hold much weight as far as I'm concerned. BTW actual age, or hockey age, had nothing to do with what Palov, me or bois were referring to (not saying that you don`t understand this, just for clarification though). Porkchop invented his own argument, which you are debating now
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 28, 2014 15:28:59 GMT -4
It doesn't really work like that. Players don't start playing on their birthday. It goes by age-bracket. So if Crosby starts playing hockey at age 6. And Drouin starts playing hockey at age 6, then whether Drouin's birthday is in March, and Crosby's in August is irrelevant, since the hockey year begins in September. The month the player was born in has no bearing, unless you're trying to imply hockey development begins the second a kid leaves the womb. What you are assuming, is that Crosby and Drouin began hockey at the same age. If Crosby started at 6, and Drouin didn't start until 8, then technically Drouin is less-seasoned than Crosby. It all depends on when you want to argue development begins. Personally, I think it really starts to turn in Peewee. Crosby played 1 year ahead in minor hockey, so Drouin and Crosby essentially have the same amount of time to develop at this stage. As of this moment Drouin has played 175 QMJHL games and two world juniors. He currently is scoring at a 2.84 ppg clip. Crosby through his 17 year old QMJHL season had 143 games played also with two world juniors. In his final playoffs, he scored at a rate of 2.38 ppg. Their experience is fairly similar. Their ages as some sort of relevant point doesn't hold much weight as far as I'm concerned. BTW actual age, or hockey age, had nothing to do with what Palov, me or bois were referring to (not saying that you don`t understand this, just for clarification though). Porkchop invented his own argument, which you are debating now ....and my point was valid.....it's typical of you to try to turn it into some sort of stupid porkchop vs Halifax argument though. Yes he may be the most dominant we've seen since Crosby....what is wrong with putting some perspective on it? it's not discrediting Drouin...we all know he is a great player and Q star. Crosby in his 18 year old season would have put up 200 points....we may not ever see a kid like that again.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 28, 2014 15:32:20 GMT -4
......and he should be considering the age. He is 19 right now. I don't think Crosby played in the league after his 18th birthday, so his oldest play in the Q would have been 17 . As of this moment Drouin has played 175 QMJHL games and two world juniors. He currently is scoring at a 2.84 ppg clip. Crosby through his 17 year old QMJHL season had 143 games played also with two world juniors. In his final playoffs, he scored at a rate of 2.38 ppg. Their experience is fairly similar. Their ages as some sort of relevant point doesn't hold much weight as far as I'm concerned. if you are looking at it from a ppg point of view, ages would be a very relevant point.......I would have loved to see Crosby play in the Q another year just to see all the records that would have been broken. There also would have been other factors to look at when looking at ppg though....was the playoff format 1 vs 16 at the time would be a huge one? Did Crosby play 4 rounds or did they have a bye at the time? Crosby only had 13 games in the 2005 playoffs, so I'm assuming they had a 1st round bye so the points were harder to come by than by beating up on a much weaker team.
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Post by Murph on Apr 28, 2014 16:16:36 GMT -4
As of this moment Drouin has played 175 QMJHL games and two world juniors. He currently is scoring at a 2.84 ppg clip. Crosby through his 17 year old QMJHL season had 143 games played also with two world juniors. In his final playoffs, he scored at a rate of 2.38 ppg. Their experience is fairly similar. Their ages as some sort of relevant point doesn't hold much weight as far as I'm concerned. if you are looking at it from a ppg point of view, ages would be a very relevant point.......I would have loved to see Crosby play in the Q another year just to see all the records that would have been broken. There also would have been other factors to look at when looking at ppg though....was the playoff format 1 vs 16 at the time would be a huge one? Did Crosby play 4 rounds or did they have a bye at the time? Crosby only had 13 games in the 2005 playoffs, so I'm assuming they had a 1st round bye so the points were harder to come by than by beating up on a much weaker team. It's still an issue of development time, not age. Why are you debating age? What relevance does it have with the argument? Had Crosby played at 18? I don't understand how that at all has relevance to the comment made, or how it in any way alters the debate, other than changing the subject altogether. You're the only one arguing hypothetical issues. Everyone else is simply focusing on the reality. But it still all goes back to your initial post as you attempted to debate an issue that was was never brought up. You jumped into a debate that was..... is Drouin better than Crosby. Nobody said that. But you felt, either due to ignorance with respect to the comment "best since Crosby" or simply bordem on your part and needed that porkchop rise to throw 2 cents in just for something to do. If you feel obligated to start a thread "How good would Crosby have been had he played at 18" feel free. It would make for some interesting speculation. But there's an off-topic forum for that.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 28, 2014 16:38:32 GMT -4
if you are looking at it from a ppg point of view, ages would be a very relevant point.......I would have loved to see Crosby play in the Q another year just to see all the records that would have been broken. There also would have been other factors to look at when looking at ppg though....was the playoff format 1 vs 16 at the time would be a huge one? Did Crosby play 4 rounds or did they have a bye at the time? Crosby only had 13 games in the 2005 playoffs, so I'm assuming they had a 1st round bye so the points were harder to come by than by beating up on a much weaker team. It's still an issue of development time, not age. Why are you debating age? What relevance does it have with the argument? Had Crosby played at 18? I don't understand how that at all has relevance to the comment made, or how it in any way alters the debate, other than changing the subject altogether. You're the only one arguing hypothetical issues. Everyone else is simply focusing on the reality. But it still all goes back to your initial post as you attempted to debate an issue that was was never brought up. You jumped into a debate that was..... is Drouin better than Crosby. Nobody said that. But you felt, either due to ignorance with respect to the comment "best since Crosby" or simply bordem on your part and needed that porkchop rise to throw 2 cents in just for something to do. If you feel obligated to start a thread "How good would Crosby have been had he played at 18" feel free. It would make for some interesting speculation. But there's an off-topic forum for that. I didn't jump into debating "is Drouin better than Crosby".....I just added some perspective to a comment. I guess being the best since Crosby, you could be talking about a 20 year old and say the same thing, but to me a high end prospect like Ehlers would be a better comparison. Perspective is a huge thing......he should be the most dominant now, but he wasn't at 17...age is a huge part of it. Development time isn't really that strong of an argument....Patrice Bergeron played rec hockey a couple years before Q then went straight to the NHL....you either got it or you don't. Everyone knows that Drouin is not near what Crosby was, or he wouldn't be in the Q at all right now...there is no argument to be had on that.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 28, 2014 17:30:44 GMT -4
It's still an issue of development time, not age. Why are you debating age? What relevance does it have with the argument? Had Crosby played at 18? I don't understand how that at all has relevance to the comment made, or how it in any way alters the debate, other than changing the subject altogether. You're the only one arguing hypothetical issues. Everyone else is simply focusing on the reality. But it still all goes back to your initial post as you attempted to debate an issue that was was never brought up. You jumped into a debate that was..... is Drouin better than Crosby. Nobody said that. But you felt, either due to ignorance with respect to the comment "best since Crosby" or simply bordem on your part and needed that porkchop rise to throw 2 cents in just for something to do. If you feel obligated to start a thread "How good would Crosby have been had he played at 18" feel free. It would make for some interesting speculation. But there's an off-topic forum for that. I didn't jump into debating "is Drouin better than Crosby".....I just added some perspective to a comment. I guess being the best since Crosby, you could be talking about a 20 year old and say the same thing, but to me a high end prospect like Ehlers would be a better comparison. Perspective is a huge thing......he should be the most dominant now, but he wasn't at 17...age is a huge part of it. Development time isn't really that strong of an argument....Patrice Bergeron played rec hockey a couple years before Q then went straight to the NHL....you either got it or you don't. Everyone knows that Drouin is not near what Crosby was, or he wouldn't be in the Q at all right now...there is no argument to be had on that. Why don't you simply admit you misunderstood the original point, rather than do this song and dance? You are meandering off on multiple paths, making no sense. There is no perspective that you added - your point about his age means nothing with regards to the original point. "and he should be considering the age" is your statement, and it makes no sense because 1) nobody was comparing him to Crosby and 2) just because you are a high ranked 18 year old doesn't mean you should be dominating like Drouin has This would have been way easier had you just said you misunderstood the original point
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