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Post by bois on Apr 3, 2014 13:53:25 GMT -4
Don't listen to anything Groulx says as if he is being honest. This guy uses pure psychology at all times. No one in Gatineau ever believes anything he ever says. I am sure he believes that your club was prepared last year, but if he makes a statement of any kind he is doing it for a psychological reason. This guy tells lots of outright lies as well. In the end he wins a lot, so most people do not seem to mind his conduct. more a bully than a coach but most everyone here drinks the kool aid
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 3, 2014 14:14:26 GMT -4
Don't listen to anything Groulx says as if he is being honest. This guy uses pure psychology at all times. No one in Gatineau ever believes anything he ever says. I am sure he believes that your club was prepared last year, but if he makes a statement of any kind he is doing it for a psychological reason. This guy tells lots of outright lies as well. In the end he wins a lot, so most people do not seem to mind his conduct. It was amusing to see him dismiss the importance of Drouin/Ehlers somewhat and go on about how strong all the other guys are. I actually thought that was an attempt to distract from his plan to focus a lot on Drouin/Ehlers (not that the comments would ever really work, but...). For example, if he comes out and basically says they will be focused on shutting those guys down (which he will be) it only motivates the rest of the team even more to step it up. None of this will really have an impact at all, but that's the feeling I got from his comments.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 3, 2014 14:23:27 GMT -4
Don't listen to anything Groulx says as if he is being honest. This guy uses pure psychology at all times. No one in Gatineau ever believes anything he ever says. I am sure he believes that your club was prepared last year, but if he makes a statement of any kind he is doing it for a psychological reason. This guy tells lots of outright lies as well. In the end he wins a lot, so most people do not seem to mind his conduct. more a bully than a coach but most everyone here drinks the kool aid You are experiencing what it's like to be in a minority group.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 3, 2014 14:31:47 GMT -4
he has showed that he can win with a star laden lineup, as many other Q coaches could also do.....what he has proved is that he can get the players to buy into his system and get on the same page..... So...regarding this talented team, his track record speaks for itself? So you actually agree with hfx09 after all that. she didn't say track record......she said resume......his jr resume really isn't that long....assistant for 2 years then took over a star studded lineup with Halifax that was any coaches dream. Before getting your stars on ice, his team never made it out of the 2nd round. Are you upset that I'd like to see him rebuild a team? the best coaches show themselves when you have a bad team....are you scared of seeing that or what?
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 3, 2014 14:59:32 GMT -4
So...regarding this talented team, his track record speaks for itself? So you actually agree with hfx09 after all that. she didn't say track record......she said resume......his jr resume really isn't that long....assistant for 2 years then took over a star studded lineup with Halifax that was any coaches dream. Before getting your stars on ice, his team never made it out of the 2nd round. Are you upset that I'd like to see him rebuild a team? the best coaches show themselves when you have a bad team....are you scared of seeing that or what? Oh resume, not track record. Totally different. I knew I looked up his coaching before and found the post - and I see we have had this identical conversation last year regarding his coaching ability. Here is the abbreviated version: For you, it`s always the NEXT test that will prove something for the moose lol. First it was RN, then it was BC... and when we beat all them (and Fucale still didn`t falter), then it was that we had no competition and that you look forward to the Memorial Cup. Now we won that, beating the WHL champs twice. And now you want to see Ducharme with a rebuilding team before you concede he is a good coach lol.... Here is his head coaching record: 2004-05: Joliette (Jr. AAA), head coach: 29-16-3, first overall 2005-06: Joliette (Jr. AAA), head coach: 39-8-4, first overall, won league, won Fred Page Cup 2006-07: Joliette (Jr. AAA), head coach: 40-10-4, second overall, won league 2007-08: Joliette (Jr. AAA), head coach: 41-9-2, first overall, league finalist 2011/12 Mooseheads: 39-22-2-5, 6th overall, 3rd round exit 2012/13 Mooseheads: 58-6-3-1, 1st overall, won league, won Memorial Cup 2013/2014 Mooseheads: 47-18-0-3, 2nd overall, still going!293 wins, 89 losses, and 3 league titles in AAA and the Q. He was also an assistant coach to the gold medal U-18 team too. The bolded part was updated by me now. What do you need to see to be convinced he is a successful coach/good coach or whatever it is you are arguing that he has not proven? That an untalented team finishes 12th? That a mediocre team finishes top 5? I can't debate this any longer. His "resume" does speak for itself to this point. We will have good coaching in these playoffs as we have for 3 years.
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Post by grobs on Apr 3, 2014 15:00:14 GMT -4
Not a bad resume as he made his way to major junior...
Ducharme, 38, spent the past three seasons as an Assistant Coach with the QMJHL’s Montreal Junior under Pascal Vincent. Prior to his tenure with the Junior, he was head coach of Joliette Action in the Quebec Jr AAA Hockey League from 2004 to 2008. With the Action, Ducharme compiled an impressive record of 149-43-4-7 winning two league titles, along with the Fred Page Cup in 2006. While in Joliette he was named coach of the year in 2008 after being a finalist for the award the 3 previous seasons. Furthermore, Ducharme was an assistant from 2002 to 2004 with UQTR Patriotes, winning a CIS Championship in 2003. Also assistant and head coach of Team Quebec and the World Under 17's. Seems like wherever he goes he wins.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 3, 2014 15:15:26 GMT -4
she didn't say track record......she said resume......his jr resume really isn't that long....assistant for 2 years then took over a star studded lineup with Halifax that was any coaches dream. Before getting your stars on ice, his team never made it out of the 2nd round. Are you upset that I'd like to see him rebuild a team? the best coaches show themselves when you have a bad team....are you scared of seeing that or what? Oh resume, not track record. Totally different. I knew I looked up his coaching before and found the post - and I see we have had this identical conversation last year regarding his coaching ability. Here is the abbreviated version: For you, it`s always the NEXT test that will prove something for the moose lol. First it was RN, then it was BC... and when we beat all them (and Fucale still didn`t falter), then it was that we had no competition and that you look forward to the Memorial Cup. Now we won that, beating the WHL champs twice. And now you want to see Ducharme with a rebuilding team before you concede he is a good coach lol.... Here is his head coaching record: 2004-05: Joliette (Jr. AAA), head coach: 29-16-3, first overall 2005-06: Joliette (Jr. AAA), head coach: 39-8-4, first overall, won league, won Fred Page Cup 2006-07: Joliette (Jr. AAA), head coach: 40-10-4, second overall, won league 2007-08: Joliette (Jr. AAA), head coach: 41-9-2, first overall, league finalist 2011/12 Mooseheads: 39-22-2-5, 6th overall, 3rd round exit 2012/13 Mooseheads: 58-6-3-1, 1st overall, won league, won Memorial Cup 2013/2014 Mooseheads: 47-18-0-3, 2nd overall, still going!293 wins, 89 losses, and 3 league titles in AAA and the Q. He was also an assistant coach to the gold medal U-18 team too. The bolded part was updated by me now. What do you need to see to be convinced he is a successful coach/good coach or whatever it is you are arguing that he has not proven? That an untalented team finishes 12th? That a mediocre team finishes top 5? I can't debate this any longer. His "resume" does speak for itself to this point. We will have good coaching in these playoffs as we have for 3 years. I'm sure all of those clubs were low end talent too? Doesn't matter what you dig up....I'd still like to see him go through a rebuild......that's not a bad thing. lol
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 3, 2014 15:33:25 GMT -4
Oh resume, not track record. Totally different. I knew I looked up his coaching before and found the post - and I see we have had this identical conversation last year regarding his coaching ability. Here is the abbreviated version: He was also an assistant coach to the gold medal U-18 team too. The bolded part was updated by me now. What do you need to see to be convinced he is a successful coach/good coach or whatever it is you are arguing that he has not proven? That an untalented team finishes 12th? That a mediocre team finishes top 5? I can't debate this any longer. His "resume" does speak for itself to this point. We will have good coaching in these playoffs as we have for 3 years. Doesn't matter what you dig up.... Yes why use actual factual results in a debate, when you can create hypothetical measuring sticks to defend your position.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 3, 2014 16:39:00 GMT -4
C'mon now. We all know these young guys coach themselves, so much experience and all in their young lives. Real coaching only starts in the NHL when the guys are more experienced and need more help.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 3, 2014 19:58:09 GMT -4
Doesn't matter what you dig up.... Yes why use actual factual results in a debate, when you can create hypothetical measuring sticks to defend your position. we all know what he can do with talent........why is it so wrong for me to want to see him without that? I've asked that about 6 times and you keep coming back with things everybody already knows. If he is as good as you think, he should have no problems at all with a rebuilding club. Might get back to contender status quicker than others. I think a coach like this will have an easy ride to the pros because of who he coaches for also.....having the best players, the top euros, etc, every year is a huge boost.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 3, 2014 20:17:11 GMT -4
Yes why use actual factual results in a debate, when you can create hypothetical measuring sticks to defend your position. we all know what he can do with talent........ So his resume speaks for itself? Round and round we go lol. What are you expecting if he has a rebuilding team? A contender??? Is that how you will judge him as a coach?
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Post by canbeer on Apr 3, 2014 21:24:34 GMT -4
we all know what he can do with talent........ So his resume speaks for itself? Round and round we go lol. What are you expecting if he has a rebuilding team? A contender??? Is that how you will judge him as a coach? But if the rebuilding team contends then it won't be a rebuilding team so that of course wouldn't count... Basically we just need to have a bad year at some point to prove he's not that great. Fucale isn't that great or proven because he was on a great team, the Mooseheads are not that great because the Q had an off year, not great again this year because the division was weak and the coach well he just benefited from that stuff so let not praise him. And the discounting continues...
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 3, 2014 21:47:46 GMT -4
So his resume speaks for itself? Round and round we go lol. What are you expecting if he has a rebuilding team? A contender??? Is that how you will judge him as a coach? But if the rebuilding team contends then it won't be a rebuilding team so that of course wouldn't count... Basically we just need to have a bad year at some point to prove he's not that great. Fucale isn't that great or proven because he was on a great team, the Mooseheads are not that great because the Q had an off year, not great again this year because the division was weak and the coach well he just benefited from that stuff so let not praise him. And the discounting continues... Yup. If we don't have a good roster, but then Moynihan scores 40 next year, Ducharme just benefited from having star players again. The 2011/12 team was expected to be mid-pack by most people with a chance to win a playoff round yet they finished 6th and went deep into round 3 - so it turns out they were good afterall and not anything Ducharme did.
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 3, 2014 22:27:14 GMT -4
But if the rebuilding team contends then it won't be a rebuilding team so that of course wouldn't count... Basically we just need to have a bad year at some point to prove he's not that great. Fucale isn't that great or proven because he was on a great team, the Mooseheads are not that great because the Q had an off year, not great again this year because the division was weak and the coach well he just benefited from that stuff so let not praise him. And the discounting continues... Yup. If we don't have a good roster, but then Moynihan scores 40 next year, Ducharme just benefited from having star players again. The 2011/12 team was expected to be mid-pack by most people with a chance to win a playoff round yet they finished 6th and went deep into round 3 - so it turns out they were good afterall and not anything Ducharme did. LOL feed the Troll! Porkchop is the guy that makes the bet he can never lose. I bet you a Million dollars the Leafs win the Stanley cup again!
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Post by bois on Apr 4, 2014 8:28:02 GMT -4
only way to find out if Ducharme is a good coach...., let him coach the Titan
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