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Post by nsvees on Apr 2, 2014 19:06:43 GMT -4
You have had top teams, but not with 2 of the top 3 or 4 NHL draftees and the "best" goalie in the country. I don't think there is a coach in the Q that wouldn't have done the same with Halifax last year. I never argued that he wasn't good......just that I'd like to see him in a rebuild.....we all know what he can do with talent running out of his ears. You do realize that all hfxfan09 said was regarding this series and coaching, that Dom`s record speaks for itself to this point. How can you debate that (which is what you are doing)? We didn`t suddenly turn into a rebuilding team. Its still a good team and his resume is a good one with them. Did it bother you that much to see a moosehead fan confident in something? Any coach in the league would have coached that team last year to a 58-6 record? Are you serious? He traded a good 19 year old defenseman away and went with a 17 year old in Murphy who needed work. His 2nd line had Ciampini and Boudreau on it - a line that carried the team when we missed the stars for a month. He took a rookie from Ontario Jr. B and molded him into a #2 defenseman by the end of the year. You aren`t giving him enough credit for things that go unnoticed. The progression of some guys allowed us to avoid making the big Xmas trade that usually guts the cupboards. You can`t discount the job he has done, say anyone could do it, say he isn`t a good coach until he has bad players (and finishes 9th instead of predicted 13th?)... but then cover your ass by saying "I said he was a good coach" lol. There are COUNTLESS examples of very good teams that go down in flames - even teams coached by coaches widely considered good coaches. So the fact we have lived up to the potential in playoffs to this point is coaching which is second to none. Well said, Joe.
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Post by Hot Water on Apr 2, 2014 19:48:41 GMT -4
You have had top teams, but not with 2 of the top 3 or 4 NHL draftees and the "best" goalie in the country. I don't think there is a coach in the Q that wouldn't have done the same with Halifax last year. I never argued that he wasn't good......just that I'd like to see him in a rebuild.....we all know what he can do with talent running out of his ears. You do realize that all hfxfan09 said was regarding this series and coaching, that Dom`s record speaks for itself to this point. How can you debate that (which is what you are doing)? We didn`t suddenly turn into a rebuilding team. Its still a good team and his resume is a good one with them. Did it bother you that much to see a moosehead fan confident in something? Any coach in the league would have coached that team last year to a 58-6 record? Are you serious? He traded a good 19 year old defenseman away and went with a 17 year old in Murphy who needed work. His 2nd line had Ciampini and Boudreau on it - a line that carried the team when we missed the stars for a month. He took a rookie from Ontario Jr. B and molded him into a #2 defenseman by the end of the year. You aren`t giving him enough credit for things that go unnoticed. The progression of some guys allowed us to avoid making the big Xmas trade that usually guts the cupboards. You can`t discount the job he has done, say anyone could do it, say he isn`t a good coach until he has bad players (and finishes 9th instead of predicted 13th?)... but then cover your ass by saying "I said he was a good coach" lol. There are COUNTLESS examples of very good teams that go down in flames - even teams coached by coaches widely considered good coaches. So the fact we have lived up to the potential in playoffs to this point is coaching which is second to none. Solid post. No one is disputing that Ducharme has had a lot of talent at his disposal the last few years but he also deserves a lot of credit for having it so in sync consistently. And while Drouin, Ehlers, and Fucale all had good pedigrees when they arrived, t's not like they haven't all overachieved significantly too. Drouin grew to be the third overall pick in the draft under Ducharme. Fucale was the first goalie off the board last summer and might be the most successful Q goalie in history by the time he's done... how many people saw that coming? Ehlers has gone from a borderline first to top ten on most boards in 5 months. He got Frk to finally hit his potential. The list goes on. And it's not like he's only driven his most talented guys - Just about every one who has played for him the past three years has hit or exceeded their expectations.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 2, 2014 20:56:06 GMT -4
You have had top teams, but not with 2 of the top 3 or 4 NHL draftees and the "best" goalie in the country. I don't think there is a coach in the Q that wouldn't have done the same with Halifax last year. I never argued that he wasn't good......just that I'd like to see him in a rebuild.....we all know what he can do with talent running out of his ears. You do realize that all hfxfan09 said was regarding this series and coaching, that Dom`s record speaks for itself to this point. How can you debate that (which is what you are doing)? We didn`t suddenly turn into a rebuilding team. Its still a good team and his resume is a good one with them. Did it bother you that much to see a moosehead fan confident in something? Any coach in the league would have coached that team last year to a 58-6 record? Are you serious? He traded a good 19 year old defenseman away and went with a 17 year old in Murphy who needed work. His 2nd line had Ciampini and Boudreau on it - a line that carried the team when we missed the stars for a month. He took a rookie from Ontario Jr. B and molded him into a #2 defenseman by the end of the year. You aren`t giving him enough credit for things that go unnoticed. The progression of some guys allowed us to avoid making the big Xmas trade that usually guts the cupboards. You can`t discount the job he has done, say anyone could do it, say he isn`t a good coach until he has bad players (and finishes 9th instead of predicted 13th?)... but then cover your ass by saying "I said he was a good coach" lol. There are COUNTLESS examples of very good teams that go down in flames - even teams coached by coaches widely considered good coaches. So the fact we have lived up to the potential in playoffs to this point is coaching which is second to none. You had a team last year that you probably will never see again in your lifetime.......you won 99% of your games strictly with offense....you scored almost 100 more goals more than the 1st place team this year did.....you had the puck all the time....you won the league if you replaced Murphy and Weegar with 2 rookies. yes, your coach got the team playing his system, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think any coach in the league wouldn't have won with that team. you also can't have these "stars" free agents coming out of Ontario because of your great scouting out there in one post, then have them just as regular guys Ducharme molded into players.....did he mold Gadoury this year also? lol ......and what the frig is wrong with what I said in response to hfxfan09? I said you had a team whose record speaks for itself....guess what? it did....everyone knows he is a good coach and I acknowledged that...yeah, we all know what he can do with a good team...what is wrong with wanting to see how a good coach will take a team through a rebuild? you guys are so thick sometimes.....picking apart everything to try to make an argument out of something that we ultimately agree on. Would you agree that Gallant was a good coach in Saint John? Would there be something wrong with wanting to see how he could take a team through a rebuild also? ....and it wasn't 58-6 btw.....it was 58-10.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 20:56:41 GMT -4
You do realize that all hfxfan09 said was regarding this series and coaching, that Dom`s record speaks for itself to this point. How can you debate that (which is what you are doing)? We didn`t suddenly turn into a rebuilding team. Its still a good team and his resume is a good one with them. Did it bother you that much to see a moosehead fan confident in something? Any coach in the league would have coached that team last year to a 58-6 record? Are you serious? He traded a good 19 year old defenseman away and went with a 17 year old in Murphy who needed work. His 2nd line had Ciampini and Boudreau on it - a line that carried the team when we missed the stars for a month. He took a rookie from Ontario Jr. B and molded him into a #2 defenseman by the end of the year. You aren`t giving him enough credit for things that go unnoticed. The progression of some guys allowed us to avoid making the big Xmas trade that usually guts the cupboards. You can`t discount the job he has done, say anyone could do it, say he isn`t a good coach until he has bad players (and finishes 9th instead of predicted 13th?)... but then cover your ass by saying "I said he was a good coach" lol. There are COUNTLESS examples of very good teams that go down in flames - even teams coached by coaches widely considered good coaches. So the fact we have lived up to the potential in playoffs to this point is coaching which is second to none. Solid post. No one is disputing that Ducharme has had a lot of talent disposal the last few years but he also deserves a lot of credit for having it so in sync consistently. And while Drouin, Ehlers, and Fucale all had good pedigrees when they arrived, t's not like they haven't all overachieved significantly too. Drouin grew to be the third overall pick in the draft under Ducharme. Fucale was the first goalie off the board last summer and might be the most successful Q goalie in history by the time he's done... how many people saw that coming? Ehlers has gone from a borderline first to top ten on most boards in 5 months. He got Frk to finally hit his potential. The list goes on. And it's not like he's only driven his most talented guys - Just about every one who has played for him the past three years has hit or exceeded their expectations. Two solid posts. I think Dom is special and Porky we may never see him in the Q in a rebuild year. He will coach in the NHL and it will be sooner rather then later. He may have to go through the AHL first but he may follow Patrick and go right from the Q to the show. He has 2 strong assistants who I think have learned a lot from his methods and I hope one of them will take over when he leaves us. This should be a good series, but I think we take it in either 5 or 6. This year is a crapshoot, lot of good teams only one winner, It will be fun to watch. We have a couple of game changers, good dee and a great goalie. I like our chances
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 2, 2014 21:05:21 GMT -4
You do realize that all hfxfan09 said was regarding this series and coaching, that Dom`s record speaks for itself to this point. How can you debate that (which is what you are doing)? We didn`t suddenly turn into a rebuilding team. Its still a good team and his resume is a good one with them. Did it bother you that much to see a moosehead fan confident in something? Any coach in the league would have coached that team last year to a 58-6 record? Are you serious? He traded a good 19 year old defenseman away and went with a 17 year old in Murphy who needed work. His 2nd line had Ciampini and Boudreau on it - a line that carried the team when we missed the stars for a month. He took a rookie from Ontario Jr. B and molded him into a #2 defenseman by the end of the year. You aren`t giving him enough credit for things that go unnoticed. The progression of some guys allowed us to avoid making the big Xmas trade that usually guts the cupboards. You can`t discount the job he has done, say anyone could do it, say he isn`t a good coach until he has bad players (and finishes 9th instead of predicted 13th?)... but then cover your ass by saying "I said he was a good coach" lol. There are COUNTLESS examples of very good teams that go down in flames - even teams coached by coaches widely considered good coaches. So the fact we have lived up to the potential in playoffs to this point is coaching which is second to none. Solid post. No one is disputing that Ducharme has had a lot of talent disposal the last few years but he also deserves a lot of credit for having it so in sync consistently. And while Drouin, Ehlers, and Fucale all had good pedigrees when they arrived, t's not like they haven't all overachieved significantly too. Drouin grew to be the third overall pick in the draft under Ducharme. Fucale was the first goalie off the board last summer and might be the most successful Q goalie in history by the time he's done... how many people saw that coming? Ehlers has gone from a borderline first to top ten on most boards in 5 months. He got Frk to finally hit his potential. The list goes on. And it's not like he's only driven his most talented guys - Just about every one who has played for him the past three years has hit or exceeded their expectations. good coaching is great to have, but everything you wrote here is also because of the quality of the players you have had. Fucale might turn out to be the most successful goalie in history, somewhat in part to coaching, but a LOT in part to the teams he had in front of him. Put him on Bathurst for the last 3 years and things all of a sudden look a little differently with 3 first round knockouts. Mario Duroucher would have had the same success with the teams you have had.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 2, 2014 21:11:36 GMT -4
You do realize that all hfxfan09 said was regarding this series and coaching, that Dom`s record speaks for itself to this point. How can you debate that (which is what you are doing)? We didn`t suddenly turn into a rebuilding team. Its still a good team and his resume is a good one with them. Did it bother you that much to see a moosehead fan confident in something? Any coach in the league would have coached that team last year to a 58-6 record? Are you serious? He traded a good 19 year old defenseman away and went with a 17 year old in Murphy who needed work. His 2nd line had Ciampini and Boudreau on it - a line that carried the team when we missed the stars for a month. He took a rookie from Ontario Jr. B and molded him into a #2 defenseman by the end of the year. You aren`t giving him enough credit for things that go unnoticed. The progression of some guys allowed us to avoid making the big Xmas trade that usually guts the cupboards. You can`t discount the job he has done, say anyone could do it, say he isn`t a good coach until he has bad players (and finishes 9th instead of predicted 13th?)... but then cover your ass by saying "I said he was a good coach" lol. There are COUNTLESS examples of very good teams that go down in flames - even teams coached by coaches widely considered good coaches. So the fact we have lived up to the potential in playoffs to this point is coaching which is second to none. You had a team last year that you probably will never see again in your lifetime.......you won 99% of your games strictly with offense....you scored almost 100 more goals more than the 1st place team this year did.....you had the puck all the time....you won the league if you replaced Murphy and Weegar with 2 rookies. yes, your coach got the team playing his system, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think any coach in the league wouldn't have won with that team. ......and what the frig is wrong with what I said in response to hfxfan09? I said you had a team whose record speaks for itself....guess what? it did....everyone knows he is a good coach and I acknowledged that...yeah, we all know what he can do with a good team...what is wrong with wanting to see how a good coach will take a team through a rebuild? you guys are so thick sometimes.....picking apart everything to try to make an argument out of something that we ultimately agree on. Would you agree that Gallant was a good coach in Saint John? Would there be something wrong with wanting to see how he could take a team through a rebuild also? Re: the bold part - you don't think coaching had something to do with that? You think any coach in the league would have gotten the same results? I don't know what to tell you. Do I need to pull out Ducharme's last 7 years of head coaching results? Can't you just accept that we have a good coach who to this point has maximized his talent and results? And what is wrong with what you said??? hfxfan09 simply said our coaches record speaks for itself when discussing THIS series, with this team. You are the one who then singled out that point to discredit him or basically imply "hold on now, don't go thinking you have a good coach"- which has nothing to do with a pre-round series analysis between HAL and GAT. It's transparent. There is really nothing to argue, but you argued it - so here we are. And yes, Gallant was a good coach. He had talent, but those SJ teams weren't winning on talent alone. They were consistently hard to beat, and always prepared to follow the game plan. They didn't get rattled often, much like Ducharme's teams. If he came back to the Q to manage a good team, I would think they are in good shape with a good coach. I wouldn't doubt his abilities to lead a team to a great season.
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Post by Hot Water on Apr 2, 2014 21:40:39 GMT -4
Solid post. No one is disputing that Ducharme has had a lot of talent disposal the last few years but he also deserves a lot of credit for having it so in sync consistently. And while Drouin, Ehlers, and Fucale all had good pedigrees when they arrived, t's not like they haven't all overachieved significantly too. Drouin grew to be the third overall pick in the draft under Ducharme. Fucale was the first goalie off the board last summer and might be the most successful Q goalie in history by the time he's done... how many people saw that coming? Ehlers has gone from a borderline first to top ten on most boards in 5 months. He got Frk to finally hit his potential. The list goes on. And it's not like he's only driven his most talented guys - Just about every one who has played for him the past three years has hit or exceeded their expectations. good coaching is great to have, but everything you wrote here is also because of the quality of the players you have had. Fucale might turn out to be the most successful goalie in history, somewhat in part to coaching, but a LOT in part to the teams he had in front of him. Put him on Bathurst for the last 3 years and things all of a sudden look a little differently with 3 first round knockouts. Mario Duroucher would have had the same success with the teams you have had. Well we'll have to agree to disagree then because I think it's crazy to say that anyone could have done what Ducharme did last year. It was one of the best junior hockey seasons ever - those things aren't really 'supposed to happen'.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 2, 2014 22:01:47 GMT -4
You had a team last year that you probably will never see again in your lifetime.......you won 99% of your games strictly with offense....you scored almost 100 more goals more than the 1st place team this year did.....you had the puck all the time....you won the league if you replaced Murphy and Weegar with 2 rookies. yes, your coach got the team playing his system, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think any coach in the league wouldn't have won with that team. ......and what the frig is wrong with what I said in response to hfxfan09? I said you had a team whose record speaks for itself....guess what? it did....everyone knows he is a good coach and I acknowledged that...yeah, we all know what he can do with a good team...what is wrong with wanting to see how a good coach will take a team through a rebuild? you guys are so thick sometimes.....picking apart everything to try to make an argument out of something that we ultimately agree on. Would you agree that Gallant was a good coach in Saint John? Would there be something wrong with wanting to see how he could take a team through a rebuild also? Re: the bold part - you don't think coaching had something to do with that? You think any coach in the league would have gotten the same results? I don't know what to tell you. Do I need to pull out Ducharme's last 7 years of head coaching results? Can't you just accept that we have a good coach who to this point has maximized his talent and results? And what is wrong with what you said??? hfxfan09 simply said our coaches record speaks for itself when discussing THIS series, with this team. You are the one who then singled out that point to discredit him or basically imply "hold on now, don't go thinking you have a good coach"- which has nothing to do with a pre-round series analysis between HAL and GAT. It's transparent. There is really nothing to argue, but you argued it - so here we are. And yes, Gallant was a good coach. He had talent, but those SJ teams weren't winning on talent alone. They were consistently hard to beat, and always prepared to follow the game plan. They didn't get rattled often, much like Ducharme's teams. If he came back to the Q to manage a good team, I would think they are in good shape with a good coach. I wouldn't doubt his abilities to lead a team to a great season. I've never said you didn't have a good coach,....or "don't go thinking you have a good coach"....lol. In my first post on this topic I said he was a good coach.....what is wrong with wanting to see what a good coach will do in a rebuild? as I've said, I've watched a couple rebuilds up close and saw it done wrong......I've seen talented players not improve from year to year....would love to have a coach that knew how to teach players, as all of them can win when they have talent.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 2, 2014 22:03:45 GMT -4
good coaching is great to have, but everything you wrote here is also because of the quality of the players you have had. Fucale might turn out to be the most successful goalie in history, somewhat in part to coaching, but a LOT in part to the teams he had in front of him. Put him on Bathurst for the last 3 years and things all of a sudden look a little differently with 3 first round knockouts. Mario Duroucher would have had the same success with the teams you have had. Well we'll have to agree to disagree then because I think it's crazy to say that anyone could have done what Ducharme did last year. It was one of the best junior hockey seasons ever - those things aren't really 'supposed to happen'. you had one of the best teams ever. go back and read threads from last year.....a lot of you guys were saying things like how special it was, and you might never see a team like this again, etc. things like that have happened in the Maritimes for the last 3 seasons......teams loaded with players now in the pros.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 2, 2014 22:13:44 GMT -4
Re: the bold part - you don't think coaching had something to do with that? You think any coach in the league would have gotten the same results? I don't know what to tell you. Do I need to pull out Ducharme's last 7 years of head coaching results? Can't you just accept that we have a good coach who to this point has maximized his talent and results? And what is wrong with what you said??? hfxfan09 simply said our coaches record speaks for itself when discussing THIS series, with this team. You are the one who then singled out that point to discredit him or basically imply "hold on now, don't go thinking you have a good coach"- which has nothing to do with a pre-round series analysis between HAL and GAT. It's transparent. There is really nothing to argue, but you argued it - so here we are. And yes, Gallant was a good coach. He had talent, but those SJ teams weren't winning on talent alone. They were consistently hard to beat, and always prepared to follow the game plan. They didn't get rattled often, much like Ducharme's teams. If he came back to the Q to manage a good team, I would think they are in good shape with a good coach. I wouldn't doubt his abilities to lead a team to a great season. I've never said you didn't have a good coach,....or "don't go thinking you have a good coach"....lol. In my first post on this topic I said he was a good coach.....what is wrong with wanting to see what a good coach will do in a rebuild? as I've said, I've watched a couple rebuilds up close and saw it done wrong......I've seen talented players not improve from year to year....would love to have a coach that knew how to teach players, as all of them can win when they have talent. Your hockey IQ is lower than I thought if you figure coaching has nothing to do with a team's success if it is talented. You are arguing both sides. You say he is a good coach, but then you argue anyone in the league can do what he has done. The only other way people could reply to your initial post to hfx09 (if they were to agree with you) would be to suggest our coaching is a questionmark at this point since he hasn't managed a rebuild yet. That is ridiculous.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 2, 2014 22:32:41 GMT -4
So you are basically saying I could Coach the Mooseheads and be successful. I knew that Scotty Bowman was overated.
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Post by bbhatehab on Apr 3, 2014 3:01:20 GMT -4
When is this board going to get back to talking about THIS series instead of the history of EVERYTHING ELSE? ? Start a new thread if you need to be a historian....I want to hear about TODAY and THE FUTURE...... How are the 2 call ups doing in practice this week?....will either one dress this series?
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Post by johnstrow on Apr 3, 2014 8:22:44 GMT -4
Dan Robertson just tweeted that there is no TV coverage from eastlink for games 1-5. Looks like its the Telus feed for those of us that want to watch the games up in the Bob.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 3, 2014 8:26:50 GMT -4
Dan Robertson just tweeted that there is no TV coverage from eastlink for games 1-5. Looks like its the Telus feed for those of us that want to watch the games up in the Bob. That's too bad that there's no coverage for the games in Gatineau. But it's extremely interesting that the game on Friday night isn't on Eastlink. Perhaps they'd have to black it out in Halifax if it's not sold out, and they just wouldn't get the viewers elsewhere to make it worth while. Still has to be a better option than Fishing with Friends. As mentioned before, if the series goes to game 5, game 5 will be on Sportsnet.
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Post by moosefan902 on Apr 3, 2014 8:33:00 GMT -4
The telus feed is almost unacceptable for 2014...It's robbery that they charge 8$ for that. You can't even tell who has the puck and sometimes you can barely track the puck. They really need to implement something new...
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