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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 3, 2014 8:54:18 GMT -4
So you are basically saying I could Coach the Mooseheads and be successful. I knew that Scotty Bowman was overated. And right on cue, a quote from the Herald by Groulx
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 3, 2014 9:15:59 GMT -4
I've never said you didn't have a good coach,....or "don't go thinking you have a good coach"....lol. In my first post on this topic I said he was a good coach.....what is wrong with wanting to see what a good coach will do in a rebuild? as I've said, I've watched a couple rebuilds up close and saw it done wrong......I've seen talented players not improve from year to year....would love to have a coach that knew how to teach players, as all of them can win when they have talent. Your hockey IQ is lower than I thought if you figure coaching has nothing to do with a team's success if it is talented. You are arguing both sides. You say he is a good coach, but then you argue anyone in the league can do what he has done. The only other way people could reply to your initial post to hfx09 (if they were to agree with you) would be to suggest our coaching is a questionmark at this point since he hasn't managed a rebuild yet. That is ridiculous. do you seriously think Halifax wouldn't have won the league last year with a different coach? If you really think that, maybe it's not my hockey IQ that should be in question.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 9:31:10 GMT -4
So I suppose Bobby Smith could have followed one of my drunken rants from way back and hired 2 apes who would do nothing but throw their feces back and forth at each other, and the Mooseheads still would have won the Memorial Cup last year!!! Would have been smelly and maybe cheaper I suppose!!!
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Post by nibs on Apr 3, 2014 9:55:34 GMT -4
Could the Mods please bestow Porky an award for debate. Only he can drag on an argument for as long as he does.
Leadership starts at the top. You can have the best army in the world, but without a good general it is all lost. Likewise, you can have the most talented hockey players in the world but if the coach can't mold them into a team, you're playing golf.
I'm not really sure what the debate is all about, despite scanning pages and pages.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 3, 2014 10:01:40 GMT -4
Your hockey IQ is lower than I thought if you figure coaching has nothing to do with a team's success if it is talented. You are arguing both sides. You say he is a good coach, but then you argue anyone in the league can do what he has done. The only other way people could reply to your initial post to hfx09 (if they were to agree with you) would be to suggest our coaching is a questionmark at this point since he hasn't managed a rebuild yet. That is ridiculous. do you seriously think Halifax wouldn't have won the league last year with a different coach? If you really think that, maybe it's not my hockey IQ that should be in question. So if it isn't on-ice results, playoff success and player development that determine if a coach is good, what do you consider to be a good coach? I honestly think you guys in Bathurst have been watching bad coaching for so long, you have no idea what a difference a good coach can do. Looking back at the posts in early 2011 when Ducharme just started, everyone is raving about the coaching and how prepared and cohesive we were playing. It wasn't the players per se, but the team approach to the game.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 3, 2014 10:09:50 GMT -4
do you seriously think Halifax wouldn't have won the league last year with a different coach? If you really think that, maybe it's not my hockey IQ that should be in question. So if it isn't on-ice results, playoff success and player development that determine if a coach is good, what do you consider to be a good coach? I honestly think you guys in Bathurst have been watching bad coaching for so long, you have no idea what a difference a good coach can do. Looking back at the posts in early 2011 when Ducharme just started, everyone is raving about the coaching and how prepared and cohesive we were playing. It wasn't the players per se, but the team approach to the game. all I'm saying is you would have gotten similar on ice/playoff results with a lot of different coaches. You had a team lead by superstars. Ducharme put a system in place and got them all on the same page, which is a sign of a good coach. Saying I'd like to see him in a rebuild is not discounting him..if it came off that way, I sincerely apologize ....it's what you saw in early 2011 that I wish to see in the future.....nothing else. Solid player development is something that we haven't seen in Bathurst for a while....that is about right. That's why I'm hoping Choules does not get the job long term...I watched players under him not improve at all year to year.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 3, 2014 10:11:29 GMT -4
Could the Mods please bestow Porky an award for debate. Only he can drag on an argument for as long as he does. Leadership starts at the top. You can have the best army in the world, but without a good general it is all lost. Likewise, you can have the most talented hockey players in the world but if the coach can't mold them into a team, you're playing golf. I'm not really sure what the debate is all about, despite scanning pages and pages. for a debate to take place, it takes more than one participant. I respond to responses. I agree with the rest of your post.....never said any different.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 3, 2014 10:25:41 GMT -4
So if it isn't on-ice results, playoff success and player development that determine if a coach is good, what do you consider to be a good coach? I honestly think you guys in Bathurst have been watching bad coaching for so long, you have no idea what a difference a good coach can do. Looking back at the posts in early 2011 when Ducharme just started, everyone is raving about the coaching and how prepared and cohesive we were playing. It wasn't the players per se, but the team approach to the game. all I'm saying is you would have gotten similar on ice/playoff results with a lot of different coaches. You had a team lead by superstars. Ducharme put a system in place and got them all on the same page, which is a sign of a good coach. Saying I'd like to see him in a rebuild is not discounting him..if it came off that way, I sincerely apologize ....it's what you saw in early 2011 that I wish to see in the future.....nothing else. Solid player development is something that we haven't seen in Bathurst for a while....that is about right. That's why I'm hoping Choules does not get the job long term...I watched players under him not improve at all year to year. I don't know what watching him coach a rebuilding team has to do with his ability to coach this team and have them ready for these playoffs. The last 3 years have shown he is a good coach, talented or not. If you agree with this, then there was no reason to start discrediting his achievements in the first place. I don't think many would agree with you that just any other coach in the league would have have the same success the last 3 years. When you say that, it goes against your other comment that he is a good coach. Pick a side - either he has not proven he is a good coach, or he has. The fans feel he optimizes the team's strengths since 2011, has them prepared and consistent, has developed the talent properly, and now Groulx said it was the most prepared team he has faced in his history in Gatineau. At some point you just need to accept he is very much part of the success we have had.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 3, 2014 10:50:48 GMT -4
all I'm saying is you would have gotten similar on ice/playoff results with a lot of different coaches. You had a team lead by superstars. Ducharme put a system in place and got them all on the same page, which is a sign of a good coach. Saying I'd like to see him in a rebuild is not discounting him..if it came off that way, I sincerely apologize ....it's what you saw in early 2011 that I wish to see in the future.....nothing else. Solid player development is something that we haven't seen in Bathurst for a while....that is about right. That's why I'm hoping Choules does not get the job long term...I watched players under him not improve at all year to year. I don't know what watching him coach a rebuilding team has to do with his ability to coach this team and have them ready for these playoffs. The last 3 years have shown he is a good coach, talented or not. If you agree with this, then there was no reason to start discrediting his achievements in the first place. I don't think many would agree with you that just any other coach in the league would have have the same success the last 3 years. When you say that, it goes against your other comment that he is a good coach. Pick a side - either he has not proven he is a good coach, or he has. The fans feel he optimizes the team's strengths since 2011, has them prepared and consistent, has developed the talent properly, and now Groulx said it was the most prepared team he has faced in his history in Gatineau. At some point you just need to accept he is very much part of the success we have had. Groulx saying that is just being kind.....you guys swept him with a superstar team who went 16-1 in the playoffs outscoring the opponent 90-36....Groulx or a bunch of other coaches would have had them just as prepared. Watching him coach a rebuilding club wouldn't have anything to do with him getting this team ready......he has showed that he can win with a star laden lineup, as many other Q coaches could also do.....what he has proved is that he can get the players to buy into his system and get on the same page.....why is it so wrong for me to wish to see him in a rebuild to see if he can do the same? A good coach will win with great teams, but you won't see just how good he is until you see him with a less talented lineup.
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Post by nibs on Apr 3, 2014 10:55:19 GMT -4
Well, perhaps Dom is slipping. If he were a better coach he would have had Drouin better prepared and thus have won the League Top Scorer. Congratulations to Anthony Mantha for picking up that hardware.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 3, 2014 11:00:24 GMT -4
I don't know what watching him coach a rebuilding team has to do with his ability to coach this team and have them ready for these playoffs. The last 3 years have shown he is a good coach, talented or not. If you agree with this, then there was no reason to start discrediting his achievements in the first place. I don't think many would agree with you that just any other coach in the league would have have the same success the last 3 years. When you say that, it goes against your other comment that he is a good coach. Pick a side - either he has not proven he is a good coach, or he has. The fans feel he optimizes the team's strengths since 2011, has them prepared and consistent, has developed the talent properly, and now Groulx said it was the most prepared team he has faced in his history in Gatineau. At some point you just need to accept he is very much part of the success we have had. he has showed that he can win with a star laden lineup, as many other Q coaches could also do.....what he has proved is that he can get the players to buy into his system and get on the same page..... So...regarding this talented team, his track record speaks for itself? So you actually agree with hfx09 after all that.
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Post by stooy44 on Apr 3, 2014 11:06:25 GMT -4
Don't listen to anything Groulx says as if he is being honest. This guy uses pure psychology at all times. No one in Gatineau ever believes anything he ever says. I am sure he believes that your club was prepared last year, but if he makes a statement of any kind he is doing it for a psychological reason. This guy tells lots of outright lies as well. In the end he wins a lot, so most people do not seem to mind his conduct.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 11:39:05 GMT -4
In 2011-2012 the Mooseheads were technically speaking a rebuilding team coming off a year in 2010-2011 where they barely made the playoffs.
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Post by bois on Apr 3, 2014 13:50:13 GMT -4
Dan Robertson just tweeted that there is no TV coverage from eastlink for games 1-5. Looks like its the Telus feed for those of us that want to watch the games up in the Bob. That's too bad that there's no coverage for the games in Gatineau. But it's extremely interesting that the game on Friday night isn't on Eastlink. Perhaps they'd have to black it out in Halifax if it's not sold out, and they just wouldn't get the viewers elsewhere to make it worth while. Still has to be a better option than Fishing with Friends. As mentioned before, if the series goes to game 5, game 5 will be on Sportsnet. ECMA weekend has Eastlink tied up
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Post by Reesor on Apr 3, 2014 13:51:34 GMT -4
That's too bad that there's no coverage for the games in Gatineau. But it's extremely interesting that the game on Friday night isn't on Eastlink. Perhaps they'd have to black it out in Halifax if it's not sold out, and they just wouldn't get the viewers elsewhere to make it worth while. Still has to be a better option than Fishing with Friends. As mentioned before, if the series goes to game 5, game 5 will be on Sportsnet. ECMA weekend has Eastlink tied up Hopefully the game will be on Eastlink 2.
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