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Post by Captain Obvious on May 1, 2014 10:59:41 GMT -4
I think a rebuild for next season would be the way to go. On paper, they aren't a league contender, and moving key pieces for a rebuild would set themselves up pretty well for a big run in the near future. Outside of Ehlers, Fucale would have the most value, Ciampini may have helped his value with his play during the playoffs. If the right offer came for Ehlers, I'd definitely consider it as he'll likely be back in Junior next season no matter which NHL team drafts him. He needs to bulk up before making the jump to pro. You can't do anything with Weegar until you know if he's coming back or playing pro. I don't think there are many untradeables on the roster, though maybe Ehlers would probably be the closest to it. See what the market is for the roster and go from there. Ehlers may have a NTC, some Euros get that in their deal, so that may complicate things.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 1, 2014 11:26:32 GMT -4
When is the midget draft...anybody? Should be interesting. I am still hurting from this loss to Val d'or. I guess spoiled from last year. I just feel we really could have beat those guys. Could be us playing tonight. :
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 1, 2014 11:30:29 GMT -4
When is the midget draft...anybody? Should be interesting. I am still hurting from this loss to Val d'or. I guess spoiled from last year. I just feel we really could have beat those guys. Could be us playing tonight. : May 31st.
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Post by moosie on May 1, 2014 11:47:44 GMT -4
Cam has had success picking up free agents and I would expect that to continue. In Game 7 vs Val Dor six out of twenty players were acquired directly or indirectly via free agency. Leblanc, Gadoury, D. Moynihan, Lussier, Vuic, Weegar (I know we traded for him but that was to make sure someone else didnt snag him), and even part of Murphy thru the Gazzola trade.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 1, 2014 12:06:04 GMT -4
When is the midget draft...anybody? Should be interesting. I am still hurting from this loss to Val d'or. I guess spoiled from last year. I just feel we really could have beat those guys. Could be us playing tonight. : May 31st. Thanks Billy. So that's like about a week earlier then normal. Any reason for that I wonder.
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Post by Porkchop on May 1, 2014 15:28:13 GMT -4
I like Cam's approach, only making 1-2 additions at the trade deadline(s). If you don't have most of your team set by training camp, then you weren't prepared. that's a nice approach in theory, but a couple extra additions this season would have probably won you another cup.....without that the Moose now have assets that were kinda wasted, as you won't get nothing for them now. If Bathurst were as close as you guys were this year, and didn't buy, I'd be a ticked off hockey fan.
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Post by Porkchop on May 1, 2014 15:33:54 GMT -4
I really think what the Moose do next year revolves around Fucale. If Cam can land a decent 1st round pick this draft and get another Franchise 16 y/o goalie than I can easily see the Moose moving Weegar and Gadoury to help us rebuild, and keep 2 lifelong Mooseheads in Ryan and Ciampini along with Hardie to round out our 20's. Looking forward a year, I can see D. Moynihan, Murphy, and Falkenham being the 20's, so if the team goes the rebuild route, watch for Lovell and Leblanc to be shoped as 19 y/o's to maximize their value. Even if we go the rebuild route, The Moose's lineup coule be: Ehlers - Ryan - Ciampini Fortier - Falkenham - Meier Moynihan - Moynihan - Shewfelt Insert 4th line here... Murphy - Jacques Hardie - Fitzgerald Ford - ... It's certainly not the most awe inspiring line-up, but it should make the playoffs. Certainly doesn't look like some of the Junior B squads we saw under Patenaude. And this doesn't even speculate on the quality of 16/17 year old players we'd recieve back in any trades. It's certainly not the end of the world here. I don't think trading Gadoury is even an option. Moose committed to him next season as well. As for Jaques, the fact that he didn't get in the lineup at all for the last 2 rounds, I'm not sure hes a sure shot to make this team. I think he may have been a stopgap for some of the younger guys to develop in major midget. I would bet Gadoury would be more than happy to play for a MemCup host team......at this stage of his game, after a solid half season in Halifax, playing in front of scouts every game next year would probably be to his advantage if he wants to further his career.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 1, 2014 16:21:59 GMT -4
I don't think trading Gadoury is even an option. Moose committed to him next season as well. As for Jaques, the fact that he didn't get in the lineup at all for the last 2 rounds, I'm not sure hes a sure shot to make this team. I think he may have been a stopgap for some of the younger guys to develop in major midget. I would bet Gadoury would be more than happy to play for a MemCup host team......at this stage of his game, after a solid half season in Halifax, playing in front of scouts every game next year would probably be to his advantage if he wants to further his career. We will include him in our trade with Quebec for Fucale. We will own Quebec for the next few years from a draft pick standpoint. I hope they have some first rounders to trade for the next few years.
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Post by nsvees on May 1, 2014 16:51:25 GMT -4
I think a rebuild for next season would be the way to go. On paper, they aren't a league contender, and moving key pieces for a rebuild would set themselves up pretty well for a big run in the near future. Outside of Ehlers, Fucale would have the most value, Ciampini may have helped his value with his play during the playoffs. If the right offer came for Ehlers, I'd definitely consider it as he'll likely be back in Junior next season no matter which NHL team drafts him. He needs to bulk up before making the jump to pro. You can't do anything with Weegar until you know if he's coming back or playing pro. I don't think there are many untradeables on the roster, though maybe Ehlers would probably be the closest to it. See what the market is for the roster and go from there. Ehlers may have a NTC, some Euros get that in their deal, so that may complicate things. I don't know if he does; it's a possibility. If he does, then they would have to see if he would agree to a trade, depending on how many teams he would/would not agree to a trade to.
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Post by Porkchop on May 1, 2014 20:35:30 GMT -4
I would bet Gadoury would be more than happy to play for a MemCup host team......at this stage of his game, after a solid half season in Halifax, playing in front of scouts every game next year would probably be to his advantage if he wants to further his career. We will include him in our trade with Quebec for Fucale. We will own Quebec for the next few years from a draft pick standpoint. I hope they have some first rounders to trade for the next few years. why would they waste picks on Fucale like that, when they already have an as good or better goalie on their team? If I were Quebec and really wanted a 19 year old and were willing to throw picks out on it, I'd be going after Cadorette. If they wanted to upgrade on a 20, I'd go with Auger.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 1, 2014 20:39:16 GMT -4
We will include him in our trade with Quebec for Fucale. We will own Quebec for the next few years from a draft pick standpoint. I hope they have some first rounders to trade for the next few years. why would they waste picks on Fucale like that, when they already have an as good or better goalie on their team? If I were Quebec and really wanted a 19 year old and were willing to throw picks out on it, I'd be going after Cadorette. If they wanted to upgrade on a 20, I'd go with Auger. Your right. Fucale sucks. My mistake sorry.
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Post by Porkchop on May 1, 2014 20:42:08 GMT -4
why would they waste picks on Fucale like that, when they already have an as good or better goalie on their team? If I were Quebec and really wanted a 19 year old and were willing to throw picks out on it, I'd be going after Cadorette. If they wanted to upgrade on a 20, I'd go with Auger. Your right. Fucale sucks. My mistake sorry. Fucale doesn't suck at all....he just isn't the top option. Big difference.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 1, 2014 21:20:06 GMT -4
Your right. Fucale sucks. My mistake sorry. Fucale doesn't suck at all....he just isn't the top option. Big difference. So u know what is in GM's heads? Fucale's resume doesn't stand for itself? He fooled everyone and really isn't as good as his records indicate? So u are saying that you can get a guy that could do the job for a lot cheaper? As someone said, do u think Quebec etc are going to want to use a goalie on one of their 20's? I guess if we don't get value for him, we keep him. Don't mind him backstopping the Moose next year.
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Post by Porkchop on May 1, 2014 21:34:12 GMT -4
Fucale doesn't suck at all....he just isn't the top option. Big difference. So u know what is in GM's heads? Fucale's resume doesn't stand for itself? He fooled everyone and really isn't as good as his records indicate? So u are saying that you can get a guy that could do the job for a lot cheaper? As someone said, do u think Quebec etc are going to want to use a goalie on one of their 20's? I guess if we don't get value for him, we keep him. Don't mind him backstopping the Moose next year. I'm not saying they can get a guy for a lot cheaper.....I'm saying if you are going to spend the assets, go for the best guy. Fucale could be the 3rd best 19 year old in the league next year...he has a great resume, a lot in part to playing in front of great teams.... also, what is wrong with going with a 20 year old goalie? is it better to have a 20 year old that can put the puck in the net, or a 20 year old who can keep it out? Tell Saint John they won the championships the wrong way with Corbeil and DeSerres. Auger, Dubeau, Bibeau, Brassard would all be great options for a contending team, 20 years old or not.
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Post by truro4life on May 2, 2014 9:55:15 GMT -4
So u know what is in GM's heads? Fucale's resume doesn't stand for itself? He fooled everyone and really isn't as good as his records indicate? So u are saying that you can get a guy that could do the job for a lot cheaper? As someone said, do u think Quebec etc are going to want to use a goalie on one of their 20's? I guess if we don't get value for him, we keep him. Don't mind him backstopping the Moose next year. I'm not saying they can get a guy for a lot cheaper.....I'm saying if you are going to spend the assets, go for the best guy. Fucale could be the 3rd best 19 year old in the league next year...he has a great resume, a lot in part to playing in front of great teams.... also, what is wrong with going with a 20 year old goalie? is it better to have a 20 year old that can put the puck in the net, or a 20 year old who can keep it out? Tell Saint John they won the championships the wrong way with Corbeil and DeSerres. Auger, Dubeau, Bibeau, Brassard would all be great options for a contending team, 20 years old or not. ^ this
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