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Post by hfxfan09 on May 2, 2014 10:51:51 GMT -4
I love the quotes from Cam Rusell I knew he was a good GM when he took over, he said we are not rebuilding we are still going to be a good team next year and they of course want to go to the finals. I still think we'll be a good team next year too; according to Rusell Fucale isn't going anywhere or defence may be quiet different but we also will have a lot of developed players that have been here a year already. We also will have some good players coming back Ehlers will be back, according to John Moore on the post-game show we have already committed to Gaudoury as one of our 20's; and if we can get Fortier going. I also believe Taylor Ford will be up with us next season. Ehlers-Gaudoury-Fortier for our top line next season; we also have a slew of 19's that we have to pick 3 to be our 20's from I'm guessing probably Ryan, Gaudoury, and I would be fine if they kept Lussier good solid d-men that I actually grew to really like as a player this season.
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Post by Conky on May 2, 2014 11:08:47 GMT -4
they would keep hardie over lussier imo
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 2, 2014 11:12:41 GMT -4
I love the quotes from Cam Rusell I knew he was a good GM when he took over, he said we are not rebuilding we are still going to be a good team next year and they of course want to go to the finals. I still think we'll be a good team next year too; according to Rusell Fucale isn't going anywhere or defence may be quiet different but we also will have a lot of developed players that have been here a year already. We also will have some good players coming back Ehlers will be back, according to John Moore on the post-game show we have already committed to Gaudoury as one of our 20's; and if we can get Fortier going. I also believe Taylor Ford will be up with us next season. Ehlers-Gaudoury-Fortier for our top line next season; we also have a slew of 19's that we have to pick 3 to be our 20's from I'm guessing probably Ryan, Gaudoury, and I would be fine if they kept Lussier good solid d-men that I actually grew to really like as a player this season. I think if the Moose can find a happy medium in trading some players to get picks to restock the cupboards. I think that some of the guys that played this year might not make next years team, such as Watt, Leblanc, Bailey maybe even Vuic. I do think we should trade Fucale and try to get some great picks for him. I don't know what they would do in goal though, so maybe that doesn't make sense. If they want to have a successful team next year then Fucale probably stays, but I don't think that is smart of them. I think u can kind a mix a little rebuild but not gut the team. Can we somehow acquire a 1st rounder for the draft on May 31/14?
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Post by Joe Rogan on May 2, 2014 11:29:05 GMT -4
I'm not saying they can get a guy for a lot cheaper.....I'm saying if you are going to spend the assets, go for the best guy. Fucale could be the 3rd best 19 year old in the league next year...he has a great resume, a lot in part to playing in front of great teams.... Cadorette has also played behind very strong teams the last 2 years. Lets compare stats. 2012-13 Cadorette 50GP 2.74GAA .892SV% Fucale 55GP 2.35GAA .909SV% 2013-14 Cadorette 52GP 2.35GAA .916SV% Fucale 50GP 2.26GAA .907SV% So i'd love to know the basis for this Cadorette is a better option than Fucale nonsense. They are about on par. Fucale has slightly better stats in 2012-13 playing behind a better team, and the opposite in 2013-14, although Fucale had a better GAA playing on a more offensive team that allowed more goals. How come Cadorette was never even mentioned in talks for World Juniors? I guess Hockey Canada are pretty dumb and Porky has it all figured out, as usual.
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Post by Porkchop on May 2, 2014 11:56:02 GMT -4
I'm not saying they can get a guy for a lot cheaper.....I'm saying if you are going to spend the assets, go for the best guy. Fucale could be the 3rd best 19 year old in the league next year...he has a great resume, a lot in part to playing in front of great teams.... Cadorette has also played behind very strong teams the last 2 years. Lets compare stats. 2012-13 Cadorette 50GP 2.74GAA .892SV% Fucale 55GP 2.35GAA .909SV% 2013-14 Cadorette 52GP 2.35GAA .916SV% Fucale 50GP 2.26GAA .907SV% So i'd love to know the basis for this Cadorette is a better option than Fucale nonsense. They are about on par. Fucale has slightly better stats in 2012-13 playing behind a better team, and the opposite in 2013-14, although Fucale had a better GAA playing on a more offensive team that allowed more goals. How come Cadorette was never even mentioned in talks for World Juniors? I guess Hockey Canada are pretty dumb and Porky has it all figured out, as usual. You had a decent post going there until you through in the part about the world jrs....Hockey Canada made a mistake this year basically picking their team on hype without a training camp....how did that turn out for them? Someone else here said that's when they started to see cracks in Fucale.....Not sure if he may have lost some confidence there, or not, but he hasn't been good in big games this season.
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Post by Joe Rogan on May 2, 2014 12:01:05 GMT -4
Fucale was outstanding in the World Juniors so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here...
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Post by statsman18 on May 2, 2014 12:07:30 GMT -4
Reading all the post and posting a few myself there's a bunch of points out there that got me thinking about the standing point of this team. This year when you just spit ball and throw a line up together this team isn't in rough shape for 2014-15. Go back and look at what some line ups might look like. When you look at the ages of players and see what we need and already have I think with the right moves we could be back in the top tier for 2015.
It starts with Elhers. We all think he should go in the first round and all feel he'll be back next year right. I will go one further and say he'll be here in 2015-16. Yes he's one of the best skaters In the league. Yes he put up a boat load of points. This year I think we'll see the real side of him. No Drouin and Weegar I think will deflate his stats this year. This year the PP will run through him and Gadoruy, so he'll get points there. He will get points 5 on 5 too but I think with the lesser talent that we have he might be doing a lot more on his own. I know it's hard to predict this far ahead there just something about him that I feel he's a 3 year Jr player.
Next we have Meier. He shown a lot of growth this year. By 2015-16 I think he'll be a dominate player. 17 goals as a young 17yo is a great start. When he first got here he looked a touch over his head.
Then we have players like Fortier who we got to see a small sample size that we all loved. In 15-16 it will be his draft year so he'll have that to play for then too.
Then the supporting cast of players like both Moynihan's, Shewfelt, a 20yo Falkenham we will have a good group of forwards then.
Defence might be hard to see but with what we have now this year will be a good growing year for them. I think we keep Murphy as a 20yo to run the PP. Then hopefully Jaques gets the experience he need to be a top 2 pairing. We get to see what Ford bring to the table. They signed a 17yo Newfoundlander that I was told is a solid defensemen (not big but good and can't remember his name). Cavan will only be 19 then too I believe.
So this draft Cam trades a 20yo or 2 and gets some good picks to grab some high skilled players to give a year of growth it looks even better. Then at the trade dead line he moves Fucale for pick and players to be named later are team can be rounded out nicely. For example we draft another Fortier like player this year then trade Fucale to Quebec for maybe MacIntyre or Booth at the draft they'd be pretty solid.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 12:14:06 GMT -4
Right now without trades and players we all think will be returning I think the standings could be Moncton, Halifax, Cape Breton, Charlottetown,Saint John and Bathurst. But of course a lot will change until than. But if Halifax doesent sell they will be a midpack team.
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Post by Reesor on May 2, 2014 12:49:50 GMT -4
I just have to laugh at the Fucale arguments. He's been great for us the last 3 seasons. Sure he wasn't himself in the last series. But shit happens, and he'll learn from it. I hope we send him to a contender next season. Both to help with the Moose's rebuild process, and to give him more of a chance at holding both the QMJHL regular season career wins record, and the playoff career wins record. He's also a fantastic human being, and he's great with the kids/community, He deserves another shot at the President's Cup/Memorial Cup.
I'm just afraid that we'll be above .500 next season, and we would try to squeeze another playoff round win out of next year, instead of doing a proper rebuild and starting over. If it were me, I would sell off every player that had value. No one one the team would be untouchable, except perhaps Fortier simply because of his age. If the Remparts came knocking for both Fucale and Ehlers, open the door and consider the offer. I don't want to have a slightly higher than .500 team that is stuck in limbo forever. I don't care if we win 10 game 2 years from now. Let the Saint John's and the Charlottetowns and the Cape Breton's walk over us for a couple seasons. Rebuild from the ground up, and when they're all in their rebuild cycle again, Halifax will be a contender.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 2, 2014 13:41:57 GMT -4
I just have to laugh at the Fucale arguments. He's been great for us the last 3 seasons. Sure he wasn't himself in the last series. But shit happens, and he'll learn from it. I hope we send him to a contender next season. Both to help with the Moose's rebuild process, and to give him more of a chance at holding both the QMJHL regular season career wins record, and the playoff career wins record. He's also a fantastic human being, and he's great with the kids/community, He deserves another shot at the President's Cup/Memorial Cup. I'm just afraid that we'll be above .500 next season, and we would try to squeeze another playoff round win out of next year, instead of doing a proper rebuild and starting over. If it were me, I would sell off every player that had value. No one one the team would be untouchable, except perhaps Fortier simply because of his age. If the Remparts came knocking for both Fucale and Ehlers, open the door and consider the offer. I don't want to have a slightly higher than .500 team that is stuck in limbo forever. I don't care if we win 10 game 2 years from now. Let the Saint John's and the Charlottetowns and the Cape Breton's walk over us for a couple seasons. Rebuild from the ground up, and when they're all in their rebuild cycle again, Halifax will be a contender. Agree, will be disappointed if the rebuild is not given a chance. Especially players that will be gone after next season, get some return. 2 teams come out of this league so lets hope they dont see this as a reason to stand Pat-enaude. Hope Ehlers gets into the first round of the draft and take advantage of getting another Euro, even if they dont come over first year. Would Russell pass on that pick? Will the rules change again? FA could be harder to come by with Young in GM mix, if Russell gets some to report watch for another run as he may have to promise it to get some to report over SJ. Eichel reporting and being traded could be a factor in how the trade front looks as well, teams either back away, try to catch up or/and it takes away assets that might go elsewhere. I have a feeling that the team will not sell except excess assets(20s and 19yr olds not fitting), hope I am wrong. Sorry to upset you Guru, I know we all suck unless you start the thread and will enjoy trying to take the spotlight again, have fun.
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Post by nsvees on May 2, 2014 13:43:54 GMT -4
I just have to laugh at the Fucale arguments. He's been great for us the last 3 seasons. Sure he wasn't himself in the last series. But shit happens, and he'll learn from it. I hope we send him to a contender next season. Both to help with the Moose's rebuild process, and to give him more of a chance at holding both the QMJHL regular season career wins record, and the playoff career wins record. He's also a fantastic human being, and he's great with the kids/community, He deserves another shot at the President's Cup/Memorial Cup. I'm just afraid that we'll be above .500 next season, and we would try to squeeze another playoff round win out of next year, instead of doing a proper rebuild and starting over. If it were me, I would sell off every player that had value. No one one the team would be untouchable, except perhaps Fortier simply because of his age. If the Remparts came knocking for both Fucale and Ehlers, open the door and consider the offer. I don't want to have a slightly higher than .500 team that is stuck in limbo forever. I don't care if we win 10 game 2 years from now. Let the Saint John's and the Charlottetowns and the Cape Breton's walk over us for a couple seasons. Rebuild from the ground up, and when they're all in their rebuild cycle again, Halifax will be a contender. This would be the route I would take. Given Russell's history though, taking this direction would be unlikely. He blew it up before in 2008-2011 because he had to. Now, he probably doesn't necessarily think he has to blow it up (though I would).
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Post by mooseinfo on May 2, 2014 14:10:51 GMT -4
Reading all the post and posting a few myself there's a bunch of points out there that got me thinking about the standing point of this team. This year when you just spit ball and throw a line up together this team isn't in rough shape for 2014-15. Go back and look at what some line ups might look like. When you look at the ages of players and see what we need and already have I think with the right moves we could be back in the top tier for 2015. It starts with Elhers. We all think he should go in the first round and all feel he'll be back next year right. I will go one further and say he'll be here in 2015-16. Yes he's one of the best skaters In the league. Yes he put up a boat load of points. This year I think we'll see the real side of him. No Drouin and Weegar I think will deflate his stats this year. This year the PP will run through him and Gadoruy, so he'll get points there. He will get points 5 on 5 too but I think with the lesser talent that we have he might be doing a lot more on his own. I know it's hard to predict this far ahead there just something about him that I feel he's a 3 year Jr player. Next we have Meier. He shown a lot of growth this year. By 2015-16 I think he'll be a dominate player. 17 goals as a young 17yo is a great start. When he first got here he looked a touch over his head. Then we have players like Fortier who we got to see a small sample size that we all loved. In 15-16 it will be his draft year so he'll have that to play for then too. Then the supporting cast of players like both Moynihan's, Shewfelt, a 20yo Falkenham we will have a good group of forwards then. Defence might be hard to see but with what we have now this year will be a good growing year for them. I think we keep Murphy as a 20yo to run the PP. Then hopefully Jaques gets the experience he need to be a top 2 pairing. We get to see what Ford bring to the table. They signed a 17yo Newfoundlander that I was told is a solid defensemen (not big but good and can't remember his name). Cavan will only be 19 then too I believe. So this draft Cam trades a 20yo or 2 and gets some good picks to grab some high skilled players to give a year of growth it looks even better. Then at the trade dead line he moves Fucale for pick and players to be named later are team can be rounded out nicely. For example we draft another Fortier like player this year then trade Fucale to Quebec for maybe MacIntyre or Booth at the draft they'd be pretty solid. Fastest way to get that defence and run built is by having a sale like the Islanders. Keep what fits for the following year and give playing time to the younger players to see who will stick around. Players coming back instead of picks(given back) works faster and fans have shown they understand. The 1 year rebuild is easier to take then the 3yr later. Gaps for the year can be filled with older FA and later picks. You almost always find gems in those players by playing them which although not looking like much can add depth for a run later. Russell would say what he did no matter what course he is taking. The player you mentioned is in "the system thread" another Fitzgerald but from NF.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 2, 2014 17:33:35 GMT -4
Reading all the post and posting a few myself there's a bunch of points out there that got me thinking about the standing point of this team. This year when you just spit ball and throw a line up together this team isn't in rough shape for 2014-15. Go back and look at what some line ups might look like. When you look at the ages of players and see what we need and already have I think with the right moves we could be back in the top tier for 2015. It starts with Elhers. We all think he should go in the first round and all feel he'll be back next year right. I will go one further and say he'll be here in 2015-16. Yes he's one of the best skaters In the league. Yes he put up a boat load of points. This year I think we'll see the real side of him. No Drouin and Weegar I think will deflate his stats this year. This year the PP will run through him and Gadoruy, so he'll get points there. He will get points 5 on 5 too but I think with the lesser talent that we have he might be doing a lot more on his own. I know it's hard to predict this far ahead there just something about him that I feel he's a 3 year Jr player. Next we have Meier. He shown a lot of growth this year. By 2015-16 I think he'll be a dominate player. 17 goals as a young 17yo is a great start. When he first got here he looked a touch over his head. Then we have players like Fortier who we got to see a small sample size that we all loved. In 15-16 it will be his draft year so he'll have that to play for then too. Then the supporting cast of players like both Moynihan's, Shewfelt, a 20yo Falkenham we will have a good group of forwards then. Defence might be hard to see but with what we have now this year will be a good growing year for them. I think we keep Murphy as a 20yo to run the PP. Then hopefully Jaques gets the experience he need to be a top 2 pairing. We get to see what Ford bring to the table. They signed a 17yo Newfoundlander that I was told is a solid defensemen (not big but good and can't remember his name). Cavan will only be 19 then too I believe. So this draft Cam trades a 20yo or 2 and gets some good picks to grab some high skilled players to give a year of growth it looks even better. Then at the trade dead line he moves Fucale for pick and players to be named later are team can be rounded out nicely. For example we draft another Fortier like player this year then trade Fucale to Quebec for maybe MacIntyre or Booth at the draft they'd be pretty solid. Fastest way to get that defence and run built is by having a sale like the Islanders. Keep what fits for the following year and give playing time to the younger players to see who will stick around. Players coming back instead of picks(given back) works faster and fans have shown they understand. The 1 year rebuild is easier to take then the 3yr later. Gaps for the year can be filled with older FA and later picks. You almost always find gems in those players by playing them which although not looking like much can add depth for a run later. Russell would say what he did no matter what course he is taking. The player you mentioned is in "the system thread" another Fitzgerald but from NF. Do u folks believe it is important to keep a good amount of "experienced" players around for the young guys to learn from and so maybe we don't get pummelled every night. I am getting two impressions here that is saying sell everything and rebuild and the other keep most key guys and with a Fucale trade rebuild with players and picks within 2 years. Should we start a new thread with a vote "sell" "stand pat" or combination of both. Also with our 2nd round pick for this upcoming draft, I am thinking goalie, then defense, or do we go with best available? Do we have any American picks from the previous years that could show up this year? Thanks for your input.
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Post by Reesor on May 2, 2014 17:58:52 GMT -4
Do u folks believe it is important to keep a good amount of "experienced" players around for the young guys to learn from and so maybe we don't get pummelled every night. I am getting two impressions here that is saying sell everything and rebuild and the other keep most key guys and with a Fucale trade rebuild with players and picks within 2 years. Should we start a new thread with a vote "sell" "stand pat" or combination of both. Also with our 2nd round pick for this upcoming draft, I am thinking goalie, then defense, or do we go with best available? Do we have any American picks from the previous years that could show up this year? Thanks for your input. IMO, yes. We're losing a lot of character guys this year. We don't want to completely gut the team. Assuming Weegar goes pro, I think keeping a guy like Hardie would be fine. Falkenham will be a leader as well. I thought he would be a future captain of this team when he was 16. He was just that type of player. I originally thought he would be trade bait. A lot of teams would want a 19yo with the character he has, if they were going for it. But thinking about it more, I think I'd want him as a 20yo the season after next.
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Post by Joe Rogan on May 2, 2014 22:29:49 GMT -4
The basis for the argument was that this year Cadorette was the better goalie, at least numbers wise. This years stats/performance obviously mean more than last years. Also being one of the goalies on the Canadian WJ team certainly hasn't meant much as far as predicting future success. They are nearly identical this year lol. The point was their numbers were pretty similar both of the years behind very good teams, this year they were closer, as were the teams in front of them. And yes most elite goalies go through the Hockey Canada system. Price, Fleury, Luongo, Mason, Bernier all did. Out of Canadian starters in the NHL only Crawford and Mike Smith didn't at least get invited to WJ camp.
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