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Post by paulmcswain on May 4, 2014 11:30:08 GMT -4
Cam Yarwood would be another example of a guy who took off in the right situation. Halifax should be unloading the 20's that get them the best trade value. End of story. This is an organization with little picks, and little in the way of quality prospects. Whomever brings back the most, should be moved. The difference between Hardie and Lussier probably won't mean a whole heck of a lot next year. Halifax right now is behind CB, PEI and Moncton heading into next year. It will be a rebuild. Gadoury should be moved. I've seen the odd post about how he can't be dealt, or something like that. That isn't true. He doesn't have a NTC. Right now his value will be through the roof, he's french and who knows what he'll give you without Jonathan Drouin. I'd deal Hardie as well, and then between Ryan and Ciampini it's whoever brings back the most. Three deals that probably get you 3 or 4 top 2 round draft picks. Spread em over 2014 and 2015. Ciampini/Ryan along with Lussier as the 20's. I wait on the 3rd spot. Maybe Darveau depending on if they can get a good young goalie or a great deal for Fucale in June. Hold a spot for Weegar (but he's nearly a lock to be gone). Even if they go with two 20's to start the year, that isn't the worst thing. It's not like they need to rack up wins. Heading into the 2015 draft, they'll want a high pick, both midget and euro (to either replace Ehlers if he goes NHL at 19 or even upgrade Meier if he doesn't develop). I just need to ask when was the last time you were right in anything you said? You said sell sell sell this year and we'll what happened? Man you say trade him him him and him Cam won't do that. And Cam said Gadoury is staying here. Just saying. He's never right. But I'm not sure these are predictions so much as opinion on what he thinks they should do. Maybe murph can clarify that. Regardless, his scenario won't play out. I hope they sell some assets this year. Cam's comments scare me though. Makes me think he feels he can contend again. I disagree with murph when he says we have little picks. For an organization coming off the 3 years we just had, we are missing only a 1st rounder this year, and nothing next year. That is pretty good. However, you don't get back to the top with that. I would like to see some moves. I expect a 20 to be dealt at the draft (no chance 3 of them go, unless its 3 of the lesser ones. But definitely not Gadoury, Hardie and Ciampini/Ryan as murph suggested). Hopefully a couple more moves are made at Christmas time...that is where you can get the most out of your assets usually.
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Post by guru on May 4, 2014 12:22:06 GMT -4
I just need to ask when was the last time you were right in anything you said? You said sell sell sell this year and we'll what happened? Man you say trade him him him and him Cam won't do that. And Cam said Gadoury is staying here. Just saying. He's never right. But I'm not sure these are predictions so much as opinion on what he thinks they should do. Maybe murph can clarify that. Regardless, his scenario won't play out. I hope they sell some assets this year. Cam's comments scare me though. Makes me think he feels he can contend again. I disagree with murph when he says we have little picks. For an organization coming off the 3 years we just had, we are missing only a 1st rounder this year, and nothing next year. That is pretty good. However, you don't get back to the top with that. I would like to see some moves. I expect a 20 to be dealt at the draft (no chance 3 of them go, unless its 3 of the lesser ones. But definitely not Gadoury, Hardie and Ciampini/Ryan as murph suggested). Hopefully a couple more moves are made at Christmas time...that is where you can get the most out of your assets usually. You and me think alike regarding next season. The team won't be that bad next year (5-8) but I don't see why hanging on to all your assets is considered an option. They don't need to sell the whole team, but cash in where there is a good return to be had!
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Post by Porkchop on May 4, 2014 13:56:46 GMT -4
He's never right. But I'm not sure these are predictions so much as opinion on what he thinks they should do. Maybe murph can clarify that. Regardless, his scenario won't play out. I hope they sell some assets this year. Cam's comments scare me though. Makes me think he feels he can contend again. I disagree with murph when he says we have little picks. For an organization coming off the 3 years we just had, we are missing only a 1st rounder this year, and nothing next year. That is pretty good. However, you don't get back to the top with that. I would like to see some moves. I expect a 20 to be dealt at the draft (no chance 3 of them go, unless its 3 of the lesser ones. But definitely not Gadoury, Hardie and Ciampini/Ryan as murph suggested). Hopefully a couple more moves are made at Christmas time...that is where you can get the most out of your assets usually. You and me think alike regarding next season. The team won't be that bad next year (5-8) but I don't see why hanging on to all your assets is considered an option. They don't need to sell the whole team, but cash in where there is a good return to be had! I think they should sell anything of value...the rebuild will be much faster if they do. ........but his is coming from a fan of a team who always held onto assets they shouldn't have, and never won anything.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 4, 2014 15:42:48 GMT -4
You and me think alike regarding next season. The team won't be that bad next year (5-8) but I don't see why hanging on to all your assets is considered an option. They don't need to sell the whole team, but cash in where there is a good return to be had! I think they should sell anything of value...the rebuild will be much faster if they do. ........but his is coming from a fan of a team who always held onto assets they shouldn't have, and never won anything. I hope Russell doesn't over think things too much. He now wants to "win" every year. I think the fans are realistic about how a team rebuilds, and the right thing to do in my opinion is make some trades and get some key players and picks for the future.
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Post by howitzer on May 4, 2014 15:50:33 GMT -4
Lets remember, GM speak in the media means nothing lol. Don't think for a second what Russell says in the media is any indication of what he REALLY thinks.
That said, I agree with him in that we can be competitive....but only to a point. He should (and I think he will) entertain any and all offer on guys, but don't expect a fire sale, unless prices are other worldly lol.
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Post by Reesor on May 4, 2014 19:32:32 GMT -4
I just need to ask when was the last time you were right in anything you said? You said sell sell sell this year and we'll what happened? Man you say trade him him him and him Cam won't do that. And Cam said Gadoury is staying here. Just saying. He's never right. But I'm not sure these are predictions so much as opinion on what he thinks they should do. Maybe murph can clarify that. Regardless, his scenario won't play out. I hope they sell some assets this year. Cam's comments scare me though. Makes me think he feels he can contend again. I disagree with murph when he says we have little picks. For an organization coming off the 3 years we just had, we are missing only a 1st rounder this year, and nothing next year. That is pretty good. However, you don't get back to the top with that. I would like to see some moves. I expect a 20 to be dealt at the draft (no chance 3 of them go, unless its 3 of the lesser ones. But definitely not Gadoury, Hardie and Ciampini/Ryan as murph suggested). Hopefully a couple more moves are made at Christmas time...that is where you can get the most out of your assets usually. Bolded for emphasis. There are two genres of discussion going on. Some are saying what they think we should do, and some are saying what they think Cam will do. They can be two different things. I think we should sell, sell, sell. I don't think Cam will do that. He will trade a player if someone knocks the door down with an offer. But the firesale that I want to have happen, I don't think will happen. I'm ok with that, as long as we have a clear vision for the next 4-5 seasons. I really don't want to be a team that loses in the 2nd round every season. If we can contend every 3-4 years, while not being an embarrasing team to watch in between, then great. Make it happen Cam.
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Post by statsman18 on May 5, 2014 7:33:34 GMT -4
He's never right. But I'm not sure these are predictions so much as opinion on what he thinks they should do. Maybe murph can clarify that. Regardless, his scenario won't play out. I hope they sell some assets this year. Cam's comments scare me though. Makes me think he feels he can contend again. I disagree with murph when he says we have little picks. For an organization coming off the 3 years we just had, we are missing only a 1st rounder this year, and nothing next year. That is pretty good. However, you don't get back to the top with that. I would like to see some moves. I expect a 20 to be dealt at the draft (no chance 3 of them go, unless its 3 of the lesser ones. But definitely not Gadoury, Hardie and Ciampini/Ryan as murph suggested). Hopefully a couple more moves are made at Christmas time...that is where you can get the most out of your assets usually. Bolded for emphasis. There are two genres of discussion going on. Some are saying what they think we should do, and some are saying what they think Cam will do. They can be two different things. I think we should sell, sell, sell. I don't think Cam will do that. He will trade a player if someone knocks the door down with an offer. But the firesale that I want to have happen, I don't think will happen. I'm ok with that, as long as we have a clear vision for the next 4-5 seasons. I really don't want to be a team that loses in the 2nd round every season. If we can contend every 3-4 years, while not being an embarrasing team to watch in between, then great. Make it happen Cam. Are they really opinions thought? He comes in and says this is what they have to do this get ride of him, him and him. Cam said when giving the job they'll start off in a rough patch but after that they will be competitive. They won't full on fire sale it just won't happen. Remember what everyone said after the Euro draft? After drafting 2 17yo's everyone said we must be going for it in 15-16. When you look at what we have age wise we have a strong group to go with as is. We do however have a huge hole in net even if we don't trade Fucale next year. He won't be here that year as he is already signed to Montreal. Now as for opinions go I feel the need to Address a goaltender for the future now. I don't think to many will disagree with that either.
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Post by paulmcswain on May 5, 2014 9:07:36 GMT -4
Lets remember, GM speak in the media means nothing lol. Don't think for a second what Russell says in the media is any indication of what he REALLY thinks. That said, I agree with him in that we can be competitive....but only to a point. He should (and I think he will) entertain any and all offer on guys, but don't expect a fire sale, unless prices are other worldly lol. I agree with this for the most part....but usually the statements are broad and beat around the bush. This one is pretty direct: "“We’re definitely not looking at rebuilding, we’re looking at being competitive and taking a run at the championship next year,” says Russell. That is scary. We are a long way away from a championship calibre team. No matter what, major moves won't come until xmas at the earliest if we are unloading.
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Post by statsman18 on May 5, 2014 10:13:26 GMT -4
Lets remember, GM speak in the media means nothing lol. Don't think for a second what Russell says in the media is any indication of what he REALLY thinks. That said, I agree with him in that we can be competitive....but only to a point. He should (and I think he will) entertain any and all offer on guys, but don't expect a fire sale, unless prices are other worldly lol. I agree with this for the most part....but usually the statements are broad and beat around the bush. This one is pretty direct: "“We’re definitely not looking at rebuilding, we’re looking at being competitive and taking a run at the championship next year,” says Russell. That is scary. We are a long way away from a championship calibre team. No matter what, major moves won't come until xmas at the earliest if we are unloading. That is scary! I never read that where was this said. If Fucale is not traded he can IF he's on his game can get us through the first 2 rounds. But we have huge holes on the blue line. We can have a top paring that could be the best top pairing in the league with Murphy and Weegar or Hardie if he's not back. Then after that you have to look at secondary scoring. We have alright secondary scorers but nothing to what we have this year. I think that statesman was just a GM being a GM. You know this is a good team blah, blah, blah. Unless Cam has some back door deals with so Americans and some top free agents there's just no way. This Divison alone is stronger just from a years growth. CB is probably most advanced as long as Hache and Darcy come back. Then Moncton with the 2 Russian and a top 20yo goalie. And if PEI does get Gat's Euro plus the players they have in place. The Sea dogs are going to get to add a top pick plus a high Euro. This Divison is looking to be like the theme of the league last season Equal. I think the team that wins this Divison next season might be able to do so with only 85 points. But everyone's going to be clustered right there.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on May 5, 2014 10:23:12 GMT -4
I agree with this for the most part....but usually the statements are broad and beat around the bush. This one is pretty direct: "“We’re definitely not looking at rebuilding, we’re looking at being competitive and taking a run at the championship next year,” says Russell. That is scary. We are a long way away from a championship calibre team. No matter what, major moves won't come until xmas at the earliest if we are unloading. That is scary! I never read that where was this said. If Fucale is not traded he can IF he's on his game can get us through the first 2 rounds. But we have huge holes on the blue line. We can have a top paring that could be the best top pairing in the league with Murphy and Weegar or Hardie if he's not back. Then after that you have to look at secondary scoring. We have alright secondary scorers but nothing to what we have this year. I think that statesman was just a GM being a GM. You know this is a good team blah, blah, blah. Unless Cam has some back door deals with so Americans and some top free agents there's just no way. This Divison alone is stronger just from a years growth. CB is probably most advanced as long as Hache and Darcy come back. Then Moncton with the 2 Russian and a top 20yo goalie. And if PEI does get Gat's Euro plus the players they have in place. The Sea dogs are going to get to add a top pick plus a high Euro. This Divison is looking to be like the theme of the league last season Equal. I think the team that wins this Divison next season might be able to do so with only 85 points. But everyone's going to be clustered right there. You have to wonder though if much of this is just talk to keep the season ticket interest going at this point. He can look at his roster and say they will compete, sure, but realistically he should know what it takes to win and our returning roster isn`t it. The moves at the draft, if any, will give us a better indication of his vision. But I would guess based on his comments, we will probably start the season with as good a team as we can, and when Xmas rolls around (and we should inevitably see we are no contender) he makes moves then.
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Post by bois on May 5, 2014 10:32:11 GMT -4
That is scary! I never read that where was this said. If Fucale is not traded he can IF he's on his game can get us through the first 2 rounds. But we have huge holes on the blue line. We can have a top paring that could be the best top pairing in the league with Murphy and Weegar or Hardie if he's not back. Then after that you have to look at secondary scoring. We have alright secondary scorers but nothing to what we have this year. I think that statesman was just a GM being a GM. You know this is a good team blah, blah, blah. Unless Cam has some back door deals with so Americans and some top free agents there's just no way. This Divison alone is stronger just from a years growth. CB is probably most advanced as long as Hache and Darcy come back. Then Moncton with the 2 Russian and a top 20yo goalie. And if PEI does get Gat's Euro plus the players they have in place. The Sea dogs are going to get to add a top pick plus a high Euro. This Divison is looking to be like the theme of the league last season Equal. I think the team that wins this Divison next season might be able to do so with only 85 points. But everyone's going to be clustered right there. You have to wonder though if much of this is just talk to keep the season ticket interest going at this point. He can look at his roster and say they will compete, sure, but realistically he should know what it takes to win and our returning roster isn`t it. The moves at the draft, if any, will give us a better indication of his vision. But I would guess based on his comments, we will probably start the season with as good a team as we can, and when Xmas rolls around (and we should inevitably see we are no contender) he makes moves then. but what if Weegar does come back? and what if you find yourselves leading the division again next Christmas? while you probably in no way will be an overall contender for the league title.... if you are sitting in a top 5 overall spot next Christmas....... who knows? i think it's 2015-16 where you start the rebuild process..... i think next year you once again have a solid regular season and probably 2 maybe even 3 rounds of playoffs
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Post by statsman18 on May 5, 2014 10:32:28 GMT -4
That I believe is the case. But some decisions need to be made at the draft mainly the 20s. I would think Cam would know better then any of us the status of Weegar. Then basically to go with Ryan or Caimpini. Then like you said see where we sit come Christmas.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on May 5, 2014 10:38:09 GMT -4
You have to wonder though if much of this is just talk to keep the season ticket interest going at this point. He can look at his roster and say they will compete, sure, but realistically he should know what it takes to win and our returning roster isn`t it. The moves at the draft, if any, will give us a better indication of his vision. But I would guess based on his comments, we will probably start the season with as good a team as we can, and when Xmas rolls around (and we should inevitably see we are no contender) he makes moves then. but what if Weegar does come back? and what if you find yourselves leading the division again next Christmas? while you probably in no way will be an overall contender for the league title.... if you are sitting in a top 5 overall spot next Christmas....... who knows? i think it's 2015-16 where you start the rebuild process..... i think next year you once again have a solid regular season and probably 2 maybe even 3 rounds of playoffs Sure things can change. I would be shocked if Weegar is back though. The AHL seems like the best place for him. He got everything out of this year he needed (#1 guy, #1 PP, tons of minutes etc). Things can change though - an American or FA can alter the look of the team too. But as it stands right now, we need to fill a lot of holes to be serious.
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Post by Porkchop on May 5, 2014 11:39:28 GMT -4
Lets remember, GM speak in the media means nothing lol. Don't think for a second what Russell says in the media is any indication of what he REALLY thinks. That said, I agree with him in that we can be competitive....but only to a point. He should (and I think he will) entertain any and all offer on guys, but don't expect a fire sale, unless prices are other worldly lol. I agree with this for the most part....but usually the statements are broad and beat around the bush. This one is pretty direct: "“We’re definitely not looking at rebuilding, we’re looking at being competitive and taking a run at the championship next year,” says Russell. That is scary. We are a long way away from a championship calibre team. No matter what, major moves won't come until xmas at the earliest if we are unloading. that would make no sense at all..........the Moose were much more set for a run at a championship this year than they will be next year....he didn't add enough to get it done this year, and next year will require adding just to get even with your team this year, plus more on top of that if you wish to contend...........if that is the way he really intends to do it, there could be a few tough years after that. Staying competitive year after year and never winning anything, kinda goes back to the old Moose days that nobody really got too excited over....solid regular seasons and early playoff exits suck.
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Post by howitzer on May 5, 2014 12:36:54 GMT -4
“We’re definitely not looking at rebuilding, we’re looking at being competitive and taking a run at the championship next year,” says Russell. Where did he say that? Not doubting he said it, just don't recall hearing/reading it. That is a tad scary hah.
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