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Post by Citris on May 28, 2014 9:30:34 GMT -4
Constantly ripping a kid for a year and change is an indictment of the person making the criticism, and not the player. I wish Ciampini the best of luck in BC. He seemed like a solid teammate and a good kid who did his part in the community, and that's really all you can ask of these KIDS at the end of the day. Ciampini was frustrating to watch sometimes, for sure. He was streaky and inconsistent, that much is hard to deny. That being said, he's not the worst player in the league or on this team. Some people have just made up their minds to hate the kid and that's that, every mistake or poor play he makes is amplified 10fold in their eyes and everything he does right is ignored. He could have scored 5 goals in game 7 against Val-d'Or and you know some people on here would be pissed off about it because it was Ciampini lol. I'm not completely innocent on that either, I cursed the #2 overall pick at times and wished he was gone/traded. But at the end of the day it is what it is. I think he'll do very well with the Drakkar. I don't think he gets more than 50-60 points, but, his defensive game has come quite a way.
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Post by statsman18 on May 28, 2014 10:21:19 GMT -4
Constantly ripping a kid for a year and change is an indictment of the person making the criticism, and not the player. I wish Ciampini the best of luck in BC. He seemed like a solid teammate and a good kid who did his part in the community, and that's really all you can ask of these KIDS at the end of the day. Ciampini was frustrating to watch sometimes, for sure. He was streaky and inconsistent, that much is hard to deny. That being said, he's not the worst player in the league or on this team. Some people have just made up their minds to hate the kid and that's that, every mistake or poor play he makes is amplified 10fold in their eyes and everything he does right is ignored. He could have scored 5 goals in game 7 against Val-d'Or and you know some people on here would be pissed off about it because it was Ciampini lol. I'm not completely innocent on that either, I cursed the #2 overall pick at times and wished he was gone/traded. But at the end of the day it is what it is. I think he'll do very well with the Drakkar. I don't think he gets more than 50-60 points, but, his defensive game has come quite a way. The problem was people here assumed he was better then he is and never gave him a chance to develop because he was the 2nd overall pick. Not everyone that is picked that high is a Drouin. That was the start. But when he was given the chance to play and show what he could do, we'll he can't skate. He is quite possibly the worst skater I ever seen. He does not skate well enough to really even be in Jr A. He so slow! He is good with in 10 feet of the net , but by time he gets there the play was going the other way.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 28, 2014 10:35:58 GMT -4
Ciampini was frustrating to watch sometimes, for sure. He was streaky and inconsistent, that much is hard to deny. That being said, he's not the worst player in the league or on this team. Some people have just made up their minds to hate the kid and that's that, every mistake or poor play he makes is amplified 10fold in their eyes and everything he does right is ignored. He could have scored 5 goals in game 7 against Val-d'Or and you know some people on here would be pissed off about it because it was Ciampini lol. I'm not completely innocent on that either, I cursed the #2 overall pick at times and wished he was gone/traded. But at the end of the day it is what it is. I think he'll do very well with the Drakkar. I don't think he gets more than 50-60 points, but, his defensive game has come quite a way. The problem was people here assumed he was better then he is and never gave him a chance to develop because he was the 2nd overall pick. Not everyone that is picked that high is a Drouin. That was the start. But when he was given the chance to play and show what he could do, we'll he can't skate. He is quite possibly the worst skater I ever seen. He does not skate well enough to really even be in Jr A. He so slow! He is good with in 10 feet of the net , but by time he gets there the play was going the other way. Yet he is still in the Q. Give it a break already!
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Post by Gman on May 28, 2014 10:38:18 GMT -4
Blame central scouting for Ciampini. The scouts all collectively thought he was the 2nd best player available, but they were all clearly wrong. Halifax's scouts are no exception. Sometimes a kid just doesn't develop the way you would like. For all the praise a guy like Hudon gets, he had a terrible playoffs. Baie Comeau probably regrets trading for him- now they will be handing over a ton of assets to Chicoutimi, and still have no president's cup. Actually he was the top rated player by central scouting. Fournier went first overall but was rated closer to 10 then 1. The top 3 then were Ciampini, Poulin, and I'm not 100% on this but I think it was Fraser from Val D'or. Michael Matheson was the top ranked player. He fell to Shawinigan at #27 because he was committed to NCAA, and the league was really cracking down on side deals that year. If any big market team had picked Matheson in the first round, it would have smelled funny and the league would have freaked out.
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Post by statsman18 on May 28, 2014 10:41:57 GMT -4
The problem was people here assumed he was better then he is and never gave him a chance to develop because he was the 2nd overall pick. Not everyone that is picked that high is a Drouin. That was the start. But when he was given the chance to play and show what he could do, we'll he can't skate. He is quite possibly the worst skater I ever seen. He does not skate well enough to really even be in Jr A. He so slow! He is good with in 10 feet of the net , but by time he gets there the play was going the other way. Yet he is still in the Q. Give it a break already! Hey I don't mind him. I thought he had a great playoff and wouldn't have mind him being back. I'm just stating a fact. If he was able to skate half as good as Drouin he'd be a 80 to 90 point player. More importantly he's not a mooseheads anymore!
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Post by melly on May 28, 2014 15:21:26 GMT -4
The happiness of him not being there. Until the draft, when we can post about other players who are taking his spot. If he was drafted in Rd 3 ... you wouldn't hate him. But because your GM wasted the 2nd overall pick on him you hate him. Your hatred is misplaced ... your hatred is actually unnecessary because he is just a kid playing hockey ... but it isn't his fault he was taken 2nd overall. I find it incredibly frustrating when people keep stating that Moose fans have an issue because he was a 2nd overall pick. I gave him plenty of slack the first couple of years of development, and so did alot of Moose fans. But at some point, even with 5th rounders, you expect some kind of development. I got annoyed when at 18 and 19, he seemed to be given way too many opportunities to play with top players, and unfortunately demotion came way too slow. Ducharme demoted or benched better players, and maybe had Caimpini been left to work hard on the 4th line at 17,18 maybe he would have developed faster. His overall development came along pretty slow if he finally looked decent in the playoffs in his 19 year old season, the end of his 4th season. Especially considering the talent he got to play with. I will give him credit in that this was his best performance in the playoffs to date.
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Post by Citris on May 28, 2014 15:37:48 GMT -4
I find it incredibly frustrating when people keep stating that Moose fans have an issue because he was a 2nd overall pick. I gave him plenty of slack the first couple of years of development, and so did alot of Moose fans. But at some point, even with 5th rounders, you expect some kind of development. I got annoyed when at 18 and 19, he seemed to be given way too many opportunities to play with top players, and unfortunately demotion came way too slow. Ducharme demoted or benched better players, and maybe had Caimpini been left to work hard on the 4th line at 17,18 maybe he would have developed faster. His overall development came along pretty slow if he finally looked decent in the playoffs in his 19 year old season, the end of his 4th season. Especially considering the talent he got to play with. I will give him credit in that this was his best performance in the playoffs to date. What "Better players" did Ciampini knock out of the top 6? Also for your development argument, at 17 Ciampini started the season with Ashley and MacKinnon. He was a goal per game player through 7 games. He got demoted, moved away from MacKinnon and scored 7 more goals the entire rest of the season. Who's to say that didn't kill his confidence and hinder his development right there? You're the first person I've seen to spout off "stick a player on the 4th line he'll develop better". That statement is ridiculous.
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Post by SteveUL on May 28, 2014 15:47:20 GMT -4
If he was drafted in Rd 3 ... you wouldn't hate him. But because your GM wasted the 2nd overall pick on him you hate him. Your hatred is misplaced ... your hatred is actually unnecessary because he is just a kid playing hockey ... but it isn't his fault he was taken 2nd overall. I find it incredibly frustrating when people keep stating that Moose fans have an issue because he was a 2nd overall pick. I gave him plenty of slack the first couple of years of development, and so did alot of Moose fans. But at some point, even with 5th rounders, you expect some kind of development. I got annoyed when at 18 and 19, he seemed to be given way too many opportunities to play with top players, and unfortunately demotion came way too slow. Ducharme demoted or benched better players, and maybe had Caimpini been left to work hard on the 4th line at 17,18 maybe he would have developed faster. His overall development came along pretty slow if he finally looked decent in the playoffs in his 19 year old season, the end of his 4th season. Especially considering the talent he got to play with. I will give him credit in that this was his best performance in the playoffs to date. So blame the Coach then ... not the kid. The kid is what he is ... and you expected him to be better. Why did you expect him to be better ? You can't answer that without retracting everything you just said.
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Post by Reesor on May 28, 2014 16:16:27 GMT -4
I find it incredibly frustrating when people keep stating that Moose fans have an issue because he was a 2nd overall pick. I gave him plenty of slack the first couple of years of development, and so did alot of Moose fans. But at some point, even with 5th rounders, you expect some kind of development. I got annoyed when at 18 and 19, he seemed to be given way too many opportunities to play with top players, and unfortunately demotion came way too slow. Ducharme demoted or benched better players, and maybe had Caimpini been left to work hard on the 4th line at 17,18 maybe he would have developed faster. His overall development came along pretty slow if he finally looked decent in the playoffs in his 19 year old season, the end of his 4th season. Especially considering the talent he got to play with. I will give him credit in that this was his best performance in the playoffs to date. So blame the Coach then ... not the kid. The kid is what he is ... and you expected him to be better. Why did you expect him to be better ? You can't answer that without retracting everything you just said. ^^This. "He is what he is" is a perfect statement. So he was 2nd overall. Shit happens. I absolutely think his draft position is the biggest reason he's been shit on for so many years on here. There were people on here that said the Moose should release him if they couldn't trade him.... during the season last year. That is emotion talking and not hockey sense. Whatever line he was on last year, he was there because no one on the team could do a better job on that line. He was on the 3rd line with D. Moynihan and Meier in a healthy lineup last year. When there were injuries, he was moved up. Sometimes to the 1st line. When Ehlers/Andrews/Ryan have chemistry, and Darcy Ashley gets hurt, you put Ciampini up there. It's just common sense. The opinions on Ciampini range from humorously razzing, to mild frustration, to major frustration, to a pure hatred for the kid. I've never seen him not give his all out there. He can't control where he's drafted, and he can't control where the coach puts him in the lineup. So I really think some people are placing blame on the kid when he doesn't deserve it. As Steve said, blame Ducharme if he was "stupidly" given more ice time than he deserved.
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Post by guru on May 28, 2014 17:19:30 GMT -4
I thought he has a house league skill set and broke eggs receiving passes. But he always knew where to be and what to do in the offensive end, though it wasn't pretty, he somehow produced.
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Post by guru on May 28, 2014 17:29:01 GMT -4
What "Better players" did Ciampini knock out of the top 6? For the sake of the argument, D. Beauchemin.
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Post by NSCCMooseFan on May 28, 2014 18:31:30 GMT -4
I only disliked his play because of the things I would hear from people close to the players. I.E partying in Montreal all summer instead of training to become better. All I wanted to see from him was some DESIRE to get better. His points came from the players that were around him. A lot of guys would have put up similar numbers in his spot. And then look at this season, as a 19 year old where he should be dominating on another good team, he gets 30 less points in the same amount of games.
He showed no skating or physical willingness 98% of the time he wore a Mooseheads jersey and those are things real hockey fans notice. Not just the numbers that he put up on a dream team.
Good luck to the kid and everything, but this is a really good move for the Moose.
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Post by guru on May 28, 2014 18:38:10 GMT -4
I only disliked his play because of the things I would hear from people close to the players. I.E partying in Montreal all summer instead of training to become better. All I wanted to see from him was some DESIRE to get better. His points came from the players that were around him. A lot of guys would have put up similar numbers in his spot. And then look at this season, as a 19 year old where he should be dominating on another good team, he gets 30 less points in the same amount of games. He showed no skating or physical willingness 98% of the time he wore a Mooseheads jersey and those are things real hockey fans notice. Not just the numbers that he put up on a dream team. Good luck to the kid and everything, but this is a really good move for the Moose. Seriously dude?
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Post by NSCCMooseFan on May 28, 2014 18:43:40 GMT -4
I only disliked his play because of the things I would hear from people close to the players. I.E partying in Montreal all summer instead of training to become better. All I wanted to see from him was some DESIRE to get better. His points came from the players that were around him. A lot of guys would have put up similar numbers in his spot. And then look at this season, as a 19 year old where he should be dominating on another good team, he gets 30 less points in the same amount of games. He showed no skating or physical willingness 98% of the time he wore a Mooseheads jersey and those are things real hockey fans notice. Not just the numbers that he put up on a dream team. Good luck to the kid and everything, but this is a really good move for the Moose. Seriously dude? Seriously dude is all you can say because those are hard facts to admit for a homer that knows nothing about hockey besides goals and assists.
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Post by guru on May 28, 2014 18:49:05 GMT -4
Seriously dude is all you can say because those are hard facts to admit for a homer that knows nothing about hockey besides goals and assists. LAWL.
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