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Post by SteveUL on Apr 28, 2015 10:45:49 GMT -4
I don't really agree with picking two Euros this year. Meier should be back. And if he's not, then we're really not in any position to win hockey games next season. So it'd be better to draft just the one Euro, and save the 2nd slot for the 2016 draft when our pick will be a high one. No sense taking up a Euro slot on a 2nd round pick when it's not a necessity. It is better for the entire Q if you select as many Euros as you are permitted. If Meier gets taken in Rd 1 ... you should draft 2. Bring them all to camp and then trade (Meier and/or Ehlers) or waive who you can't use. That way ... teams that have Euros not pan out get another shot at a Euro. You may think ... "why would I want to help my competition?". Well ... this time around you may not benefit at all, but maybe another year you benefit the same way from somebody else having too many Euros. It is good for the Q if all teams have access to good players ... good for the entertainment value ... good for the box office ... good for parity ... good for the entire Q. Another approach is you keep your two new guys ... and if Meier and Ehlers are back you trade them for a big return ... maximizing your assets.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 28, 2015 10:59:57 GMT -4
First round is #19, not sure about 2nd round. Your 19th could even be higher if a team above you passes. Since you can't trade the picks, some teams will already have two spots filled (like you guys did at the last draft) and pass on their draft position. There were 9 passes last year in Rd 1 ... 3 by the 19th spot. Rd 2 was mostly passes and only 19 players were selected. As teams adjust their planning for the new import rules, we'll probably see most teams going to the draft to select just one player, and some will select none. Having said that ... Moncton is looking for 2 this year ... and I expect one with be a 19 yr old.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 28, 2015 11:08:26 GMT -4
I don't really agree with picking two Euros this year. Meier should be back. And if he's not, then we're really not in any position to win hockey games next season. So it'd be better to draft just the one Euro, and save the 2nd slot for the 2016 draft when our pick will be a high one. No sense taking up a Euro slot on a 2nd round pick when it's not a necessity. It is better for the entire Q if you select as many Euros as you are permitted. If Meier gets taken in Rd 1 ... you should draft 2. Bring them all to camp and then trade (Meier and/or Ehlers) or waive who you can't use. That way ... teams that have Euros not pan out get another shot at a Euro. You may think ... "why would I want to help my competition?". Well ... this time around you may not benefit at all, but maybe another year you benefit the same way from somebody else having too many Euros. It is good for the Q if all teams have access to good players ... good for the entertainment value ... good for the box office ... good for parity ... good for the entire Q. Another approach is you keep your two new guys ... and if Meier and Ehlers are back you trade them for a big return ... maximizing your assets. The perfect situation for Halifax would be if both Ehlers and Meier came back, and we traded them both. That wouldn't happen however, because if both of them come back, we'll have one line that can win hockey games even more so than this season. We won't sell if a Meier/D. Moynihan/Ehlers line is intact. I know I'd still like to trade both of them, but I know it wouldn't happen. The more likely case is that Ehlers is in Winnipeg, and Meier comes back to Halifax. It's tough to trade Euros without having to take on a Euro in return. But if we can trade Meier, that would be ideal obviously. Using the 2nd round pick on a 19yo is something I didn't mention, and makes 100% sense. That way you free up that spot next season when the Moose have a better pick.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 28, 2015 11:22:56 GMT -4
There have been some pretty good 19 year olds that have been drafted. Wasn't Oduya older, and Nagy didn't report until he was 19 and guessing some of u guys would have some names of other players that came at 19.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 28, 2015 12:19:03 GMT -4
There have been some pretty good 19 year olds that have been drafted. Wasn't Oduya older, and Nagy didn't report until he was 19 and guessing some of u guys would have some names of other players that came at 19. Back then it was pretty common to grab 19 YOs ... but sometimes having a guy for just one year wasn't the best option. It takes a good chunk of the season to adjust. I think most teams got away from drafting 19 YOs because it is better to have a kid come in and become part of the team as part of a building process. You also get more bang for your buck if you work hard up front and then have a guy for 3 seasons. Now the new rules make the occasional 19 YO more attractive ... as sort of a transition player. I'd like to see Moncton take a 17 YO and a 19 YO this time around ... then another 17 YO next year ... and always have a year difference in the age of the two import players.
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 28, 2015 12:25:40 GMT -4
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Post by statsman18 on Apr 28, 2015 14:51:36 GMT -4
There have been some pretty good 19 year olds that have been drafted. Wasn't Oduya older, and Nagy didn't report until he was 19 and guessing some of u guys would have some names of other players that came at 19. Back then it was pretty common to grab 19 YOs ... but sometimes having a guy for just one year wasn't the best option. It takes a good chunk of the season to adjust. I think most teams got away from drafting 19 YOs because it is better to have a kid come in and become part of the team as part of a building process. You also get more bang for your buck if you work hard up front and then have a guy for 3 seasons. Now the new rules make the occasional 19 YO more attractive ... as sort of a transition player. I'd like to see Moncton take a 17 YO and a 19 YO this time around ... then another 17 YO next year ... and always have a year difference in the age of the two import players. Also back then the scouting wasn't like it is now and some kids never got seen until they were that age. Players don't fall through the cracks as much.
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Post by bois on Apr 29, 2015 8:16:32 GMT -4
also more Euros are being used as 20 year olds in the league than before.... so you could still be drafting a two year player by drafting a 19 year old
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 29, 2015 19:01:16 GMT -4
also more Euros are being used as 20 year olds in the league than before.... so you could still be drafting a two year player by drafting a 19 year old Perhaps ... but not many instances of that. Obviously you want a 20 YO to be an impact player ... and you want your Euros to be impact players ... so eating up two impact slots with just one player would require that 20 YO Euro be a really special player. That type of player is normally playing pro at 20. Also, Euros have many options back at home to play in some level of pro league and make a decent living. In our case ... we had Hrivik as a 20 YO Euro and I guess he fit that criteria. But I think it was also a case of limited options as 20 YOs for us. But ... 20 YOs go on a special list so you can draft another guy while holding onto those rights. If one of them is a no-show ... or long term injured ... or just not very good ... then a fall back option might be the 20 YO Euro. Who do you see as a 20 YO Euro option next year that would likely be available to return to the Q.
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 29, 2015 22:14:08 GMT -4
also more Euros are being used as 20 year olds in the league than before.... so you could still be drafting a two year player by drafting a 19 year old Perhaps ... but not many instances of that. Obviously you want a 20 YO to be an impact player ... and you want your Euros to be impact players ... so eating up two impact slots with just one player would require that 20 YO Euro be a really special player. That type of player is normally playing pro at 20. Also, Euros have many options back at home to play in some level of pro league and make a decent living. In our case ... we had Hrivik as a 20 YO Euro and I guess he fit that criteria. But I think it was also a case of limited options as 20 YOs for us. But ... 20 YOs go on a special list so you can draft another guy while holding onto those rights. If one of them is a no-show ... or long term injured ... or just not very good ... then a fall back option might be the 20 YO Euro. Who do you see as a 20 YO Euro option next year that would likely be available to return to the Q. Really a hard question unless someone had personal knowledge of the imports. Chicoutimi invited Baldaev after an injury to their import. He was a 95(they had 2 plus injured 96)interesting he would be avail short notice, could be that some imports just want to get out of a bad situation, for instance KHL has issues. They get to NA get comfortable, learning the language, etc and want to stay. A CHL Russian, with not much upside, might not be of interest to most NA minor pro teams in the sense of it being worth it with language and such. I can remember some being kept as 20 just because it was not a big year for the team. Cant recall without digging but I think Bathurst was one. It also is a cost issue for some teams so its cheap keeping an average player who has already settled in rather than scout, draft, pay especially for top ones.
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Post by bois on Apr 30, 2015 8:14:53 GMT -4
Jevpalovs and Cupper were impact 20 year old Euros just this year
in recent years we have seen Beran, Olsson, Straka to name a few....
Next year i have no idea but I bet there will be a couple 20 year old Euros for sure..... and probably one returns after the season starts
just saying drafting a 19 year old Euro doesn't have to be just a one year asset anymore
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Post by SteveUL on May 1, 2015 8:19:51 GMT -4
Jevpalovs and Cupper were impact 20 year old Euros just this year in recent years we have seen Beran, Olsson, Straka to name a few.... Next year i have no idea but I bet there will be a couple 20 year old Euros for sure..... and probably one returns after the season starts just saying drafting a 19 year old Euro doesn't have to be just a one year asset anymore But it seems to be a fall back option in most cases. I don't think it is the best management practice. A guy like Jevpalovs is a guy that I'd have to strongly consider bringing back if he was available ... and Cupper also ... both high impact players. Depends on where you are in your rebuild.
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Post by SteveUL on May 1, 2015 8:20:03 GMT -4
Jevpalovs and Cupper were impact 20 year old Euros just this year in recent years we have seen Beran, Olsson, Straka to name a few.... Next year i have no idea but I bet there will be a couple 20 year old Euros for sure..... and probably one returns after the season starts just saying drafting a 19 year old Euro doesn't have to be just a one year asset anymore But it seems to be a fall back option in most cases. I don't think it is the best management practice. A guy like Jevpalovs is a guy that I'd have to strongly consider bringing back if he was available ... and Cupper also ... both high impact players. Depends on where you are in your rebuild.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on May 1, 2015 8:29:59 GMT -4
Jevpalovs and Cupper were impact 20 year old Euros just this year in recent years we have seen Beran, Olsson, Straka to name a few.... Next year i have no idea but I bet there will be a couple 20 year old Euros for sure..... and probably one returns after the season starts just saying drafting a 19 year old Euro doesn't have to be just a one year asset anymore But it seems to be a fall back option in most cases. I don't think it is the best management practice. A guy like Jevpalovs is a guy that I'd have to strongly consider bringing back if he was available ... and Cupper also ... both high impact players. Depends on where you are in your rebuild. It depends on each situation. We used Konrad Abeltshauser as a 20 in our Memorial Cup year. We didn't expect him back and he was going to leave a big hole for a top pairing defenseman (not to mention the rest of the defense core for that year). When he was returned, we didn't need to go trade for a top defenseman, or a top end euro to fill that void if needed. Sometimes using that 20 spot on a euro is the best option depending on your needs or potential trade assets etc.
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Post by Gman on May 1, 2015 8:40:44 GMT -4
But it seems to be a fall back option in most cases. I don't think it is the best management practice. A guy like Jevpalovs is a guy that I'd have to strongly consider bringing back if he was available ... and Cupper also ... both high impact players. Depends on where you are in your rebuild. It depends on each situation. We used Konrad Abeltshauser as a 20 in our Memorial Cup year. We didn't expect him back and he was going to leave a big hole for a top pairing defenseman (not to mention the rest of the defense core for that year). When he was returned, we didn't need to go trade for a top defenseman, or a top end euro to fill that void if needed. Sometimes using that 20 spot on a euro is the best option depending on your needs or potential trade assets etc. Yes, the player has to be enough of an impact to be better than the combination of an alternate Euro and an alternate 20 YO. There aren't many like that who will actually play in the Q at 20.
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