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Post by Citris on Jul 6, 2015 9:56:34 GMT -4
That is a couple times I've heard reference to Durandeau not reporting to Cape Breton. What makes you so sure that would be the case? I agree we should go after Bowers. Especially if the rumors were true that Cam coveted Velano for next season. Now with him being gone, maybe one of those 1st for next year becomes a trade chip? I couldn't tell you for certain that this is the case, and it is speculation. However it does seem quite a common thing for Halifax to offer its high picks a NTC... and I doubt he'd want to go from whatever Halifax is offering him to whatever CB has to offer. I will say that if he does not have a NTC, I'm not sure how Durandeau is academically or if NCAA is even an option for him.
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Post by sjc on Jul 6, 2015 10:28:53 GMT -4
Xavier Parent and Jared McIssac 2 reasons to not waste picks on Bowers.
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Post by Citris on Jul 6, 2015 10:56:21 GMT -4
Xavier Parent and Jared McIssac 2 reasons to not waste picks on Bowers. Also agreed. CB had their best offers at the draft, they aren't getting 2016 first rounders for him at this point. Nor do they really need them. Donaghey + Moynihan makes the most sense, or making another trade to then flip assets.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jul 6, 2015 10:56:23 GMT -4
Xavier Parent and Jared McIssac 2 reasons to not waste picks on Bowers. If Cam could weave his magic without giving up next years firsts. Maybe enough veteren's going and picks from 2017. Not sure if CB would insist on 2016 picks, which I am guessing they would.
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Post by statsman18 on Jul 6, 2015 11:22:17 GMT -4
That is a couple times I've heard reference to Durandeau not reporting to Cape Breton. What makes you so sure that would be the case? I agree we should go after Bowers. Especially if the rumors were true that Cam coveted Velano for next season. Now with him being gone, maybe one of those 1st for next year becomes a trade chip? I couldn't tell you for certain that this is the case, and it is speculation. However it does seem quite a common thing for Halifax to offer its high picks a NTC... and I doubt he'd want to go from whatever Halifax is offering him to whatever CB has to offer. I will say that if he does not have a NTC, I'm not sure how Durandeau is academically or if NCAA is even an option for him. He has yet to even play for Halifax and he already has a NTC? Does that make sense to you? And like you said you are speculating that he won't play for CB. There really isn't much reason to think that.
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Post by statsman18 on Jul 6, 2015 11:34:23 GMT -4
Xavier Parent and Jared McIssac 2 reasons to not waste picks on Bowers. I do understand those 2 are coming up this year but Halifax is still looking to be a mid pack team. Quebec is Quebec and never shits the bed so there pick might be a mid pack as well. Also I have seen him and know how good McIssac is but we are over following with defencemen. As for Parent, his fate might lay in the hands of Veleno. If he doesn't have a huge season they might hold off giving another player exceptional status. I also said a few pages ago that I would give up our 1st rounder. If we get Bowers I think we are a stronger team that could helps us this year too. I would keep the Quebec pick and hope the bottom out big time.
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Post by Citris on Jul 6, 2015 11:41:18 GMT -4
He has yet to even play for Halifax and he already has a NTC? Does that make sense to you? And like you said you are speculating that he won't play for CB. There really isn't much reason to think that. You not going to get a NTC after you've already played a game for the team, you've lost all your leverage at that point. Cam Russel and our staff have already interviewed the kid, before and probably after the draft they've been in contact with him and his camp. You are right, it is speculation, as I said. But with the frequency of players not wanting to report to Cape Breton, you can't tell me there isn't much reason to think like that. This is all beside the point that Durandeau to CB makes no sense from their perspective also. He's a much more valuable asset to Halifax than he is to CB. If Dumont is willing to value Durandeau on the same level that Russel does, than he is an idiot (tho... based on some CB posters comments I should not put that past him.) CB needs help now, Durandeau isn't that.
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Post by statsman18 on Jul 6, 2015 12:15:37 GMT -4
He has yet to even play for Halifax and he already has a NTC? Does that make sense to you? And like you said you are speculating that he won't play for CB. There really isn't much reason to think that. You not going to get a NTC after you've already played a game for the team, you've lost all your leverage at that point. Cam Russel and our staff have already interviewed the kid, before and probably after the draft they've been in contact with him and his camp. You are right, it is speculation, as I said. But with the frequency of players not wanting to report to Cape Breton, you can't tell me there isn't much reason to think like that. This is all beside the point that Durandeau to CB makes no sense from their perspective also. He's a much more valuable asset to Halifax than he is to CB. If Dumont is willing to value Durandeau on the same level that Russel does, than he is an idiot (tho... based on some CB posters comments I should not put that past him.) CB needs help now, Durandeau isn't that. How do you even think that? He's the 7th overall pick. They go from 4 to 7 in a sense plus another asset or 2. They have hole all these assets are Flipable. They need another top 2 centre and these can get that. You just want To get with out giving up. Durandeau is 100% valuable to CB. Would they rather a top Centre? Yes but they don't have it besides Moynhan and does CB want him, or does he have a NTC.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jul 6, 2015 12:36:06 GMT -4
You not going to get a NTC after you've already played a game for the team, you've lost all your leverage at that point. Cam Russel and our staff have already interviewed the kid, before and probably after the draft they've been in contact with him and his camp. You are right, it is speculation, as I said. But with the frequency of players not wanting to report to Cape Breton, you can't tell me there isn't much reason to think like that. This is all beside the point that Durandeau to CB makes no sense from their perspective also. He's a much more valuable asset to Halifax than he is to CB. If Dumont is willing to value Durandeau on the same level that Russel does, than he is an idiot (tho... based on some CB posters comments I should not put that past him.) CB needs help now, Durandeau isn't that. How do you even think that? He's the 7th overall pick. They go from 4 to 7 in a sense plus another asset or 2. They have hole all these assets are Flipable. They need another top 2 centre and these can get that. You just want To get with out giving up. Durandeau is 100% valuable to CB. Would they rather a top Centre? Yes but they don't have it besides Moynhan and does CB want him, or does he have a NTC. So I guess there is no rule against trading a 16 year old. May be stupid question, just wanted to confirm.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 6, 2015 12:38:13 GMT -4
How do you even think that? He's the 7th overall pick. They go from 4 to 7 in a sense plus another asset or 2. They have hole all these assets are Flipable. They need another top 2 centre and these can get that. You just want To get with out giving up. Durandeau is 100% valuable to CB. Would they rather a top Centre? Yes but they don't have it besides Moynhan and does CB want him, or does he have a NTC. So I guess there is no rule against trading a 16 year old. May be stupid question, just wanted to confirm. Nope, those rules went away a long time ago.
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Post by statsman18 on Jul 6, 2015 12:40:15 GMT -4
How do you even think that? He's the 7th overall pick. They go from 4 to 7 in a sense plus another asset or 2. They have hole all these assets are Flipable. They need another top 2 centre and these can get that. You just want To get with out giving up. Durandeau is 100% valuable to CB. Would they rather a top Centre? Yes but they don't have it besides Moynhan and does CB want him, or does he have a NTC. So I guess there is no rule against trading a 16 year old. May be stupid question, just wanted to confirm. There was talk of that rule being put into place but has yet to be made.
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Post by Citris on Jul 6, 2015 15:04:02 GMT -4
Statsman, do not confuse me not wanting to get fleeced or mortgage our future for Bowers with not wanting to give anything up.
Durandeau is part of this teams future. Him and those 2 2016 picks are untouchable for me. CB had thier chance to move the pick at the draft. Now it's a two team race and they have less leverage.
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Post by statsman18 on Jul 6, 2015 17:16:40 GMT -4
Statsman, do not confuse me not wanting to get fleeced or mortgage our future for Bowers with not wanting to give anything up. Durandeau is part of this teams future. Him and those 2 2016 picks are untouchable for me. CB had thier chance to move the pick at the draft. Now it's a two team race and they have less leverage. Trading Durandeau is not getting fleeced. It's up grading his value. If you get the better player in the deal you don't get fleeced. How ever if we gave up both 2016 1st rounders, then yes we get fleeced. But like I said we give up ours for him we're look at probably jumping up 2 or 3 spots in the standings this year. We will be a better team this year and the next 2 if we got Bowers. You just want to get with out giving anything. It's simple. As for getting at the draft they kind of didn't really have the time to get good value for the pick. Veleno didn't enter the draft until 48 hours before the draft. So unlike usual drafts you have weeks to find out who's going where and what it will cost to try and get them. This year got flipped all around like I said 48 hours before the draft.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jul 6, 2015 17:40:14 GMT -4
Statsman, do not confuse me not wanting to get fleeced or mortgage our future for Bowers with not wanting to give anything up. Durandeau is part of this teams future. Him and those 2 2016 picks are untouchable for me. CB had thier chance to move the pick at the draft. Now it's a two team race and they have less leverage. Trading Durandeau is not getting fleeced. It's up grading his value. If you get the better player in the deal you don't get fleeced. How ever if we gave up both 2016 1st rounders, then yes we get fleeced. But like I said we give up ours for him we're look at probably jumping up 2 or 3 spots in the standings this year. We will be a better team this year and the next 2 if we got Bowers. You just want to get with out giving anything. It's simple. As for getting at the draft they kind of didn't really have the time to get good value for the pick. Veleno didn't enter the draft until 48 hours before the draft. So unlike usual drafts you have weeks to find out who's going where and what it will cost to try and get them. This year got flipped all around like I said 48 hours before the draft. You were already told where they stand yet you keep going on about people not wanting to give anything. Look in the mirror, you keep proposing things people dont agree with. On one hand you say a fair deal but others fair deal is not good enough. Its not Halifax's job to solve CB issues by playing soft in any potential trade. As far as 2016 picks, you just saw how multi picks can be used to move up and how the unexpected can shake out in a draft. Been through this before the draft so I am just liking others posts.
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Post by Citris on Jul 6, 2015 17:55:02 GMT -4
Trading Durandeau is not getting fleeced. It's up grading his value. If you get the better player in the deal you don't get fleeced. How ever if we gave up both 2016 1st rounders, then yes we get fleeced. But like I said we give up ours for him we're look at probably jumping up 2 or 3 spots in the standings this year. We will be a better team this year and the next 2 if we got Bowers. You just want to get with out giving anything. It's simple. As for getting at the draft they kind of didn't really have the time to get good value for the pick. Veleno didn't enter the draft until 48 hours before the draft. So unlike usual drafts you have weeks to find out who's going where and what it will cost to try and get them. This year got flipped all around like I said 48 hours before the draft. Now you are being an asshole. Do not tell me what I want as if you know what's in my head better than I do. Thank you.48 hours was plenty of time for CB to decide if they wanted to take SJ's offer, which I guarantee was there at #4. We are a better team this year if we get Bowers without giving up a veteran roster player.... however if we give up Moynihan, Donaghey or even Meier, we are not better. We have to decide which way we want to go. If we want to trade for Bowers without giving up significant veterans and try to finish mid-pack again; Or if we want to trade veterans for assets... or try to orchestrate a deal around Moynihan, Donaghey for Bowers. Personally I'd rather try for the latter. It sets us up much better for the future, increases the value of our 2016 first round pick, gives us a stronger core going forward.
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