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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 17:40:21 GMT -4
I wouldn't be shocked if Halifax took Peyton Hoyt either at #7 - Hoyt had an excellent Gatorade Challenge and really impressed scouts at the event. Moose will get an offer for their pick, teams kick tires on moving up every year, just to see what its worth. The Moose will do the same with other teams too. It heats up when players are still available when a team sees them as a steal or good deal. If a lower rated player, in general terms, is what the Moose want then that is were the risk of trading down comes in. Moose dont tend to go off the board so early like a Bathurst or Gatineau does. No doubt as is normally the case - Most picks are offered in trades especially the higher picks. I don't think there is a huge difference between 5 through 12 but that doesn't mean other teams aren't much higher on someone available at #5v - Possibly someone looking for a goaltender perhaps.
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Post by statsman18 on May 21, 2015 20:23:42 GMT -4
Why would you be happy with those picks? Do you know anything about these kids? Why are u being an arse? Like Moosefan1994 said I was just reading the reports that Scoutman, who has see them play, wrote. I actually looked up Cote on another prospects site and read a scouting report on him. I also read numerous comments on these guys over the last few months. I am not a moron. I know this is all speculative who the Mooseheads draft. Just having some fun with it. Don't know why you find the need to call me out. Seems a bit more personal from previous exchanges u have had with me. If that floats your boat then fine. Carry on. Not being an arse just asking the question. I actually seen 2 of these players play and I don't think they make sense for the moose. The signed the goalie form the Cole Habour midgets and him and the Halifax kid are pretty much interchangeable guys. The defencemen I only seen once and he never really jumped out at me. I think he's basically another Nauss but a touch bigger. As for Cote I know nothing about him so it could be a great pick or could be another Luca, I just don't know. I have heard a lot about the top 2 goalies though and wouldn't hate the idea of getting one of them at 7. But I do agree with the need of scoring so I'd be alright with a good forward. As for worring about local talent it was brought up be for I really like Berger. I think this kid is rated a little low. I would love to see the moose pick him at the 2nd pick in the 2nd round.
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Post by statsman18 on May 21, 2015 20:30:52 GMT -4
I wouldn't be shocked if Halifax took Peyton Hoyt either at #7 - Hoyt had an excellent Gatorade Challenge and really impressed scouts at the event. Moose will get an offer for their pick, teams kick tires on moving up every year, just to see what its worth. The Moose will do the same with other teams too. It heats up when players are still available when a team sees them as a steal or good deal. If a lower rated player, in general terms, is what the Moose want then that is were the risk of trading down comes in. Moose dont tend to go off the board so early like a Bathurst or Gatineau does. I know what your saying and think but I just don't see Cam going back words at 7. It's been a while since he's had that good of a pick. I think he's going to make that pick. The 2 2nds and 3rds could very well be traded back or for picks next year. Hell they could be used to trade up. In this draft. This team is going to have some hole up front to fill.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 21, 2015 23:35:31 GMT -4
Moose will get an offer for their pick, teams kick tires on moving up every year, just to see what its worth. The Moose will do the same with other teams too. It heats up when players are still available when a team sees them as a steal or good deal. If a lower rated player, in general terms, is what the Moose want then that is were the risk of trading down comes in. Moose dont tend to go off the board so early like a Bathurst or Gatineau does. I know what your saying and think but I just don't see Cam going back words at 7. It's been a while since he's had that good of a pick. I think he's going to make that pick. The 2 2nds and 3rds could very well be traded back or for picks next year. Hell they could be used to trade up. In this draft. This team is going to have some hole up front to fill. Ya its always more likely they use that pick, its just that the Moose maybe sitting at a spot where the goalie is available, just for an example, SJ may want him and offer the 9th and another pick. They could afford to move 2 spots if their list has 3 or 4 forwards at 7 they would take. So no risk relative to another pick. Its all speculation and circumstance. I just see so many multi first rounders and later picks by the same team and the protective lists need to be managed, especially with the new rules which will see more longer term projects. The depth is different as well this year, not a big fan of it this year at 7. Will see it play out soon but past years have pretty much always seen this type of deal.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 22, 2015 0:23:55 GMT -4
Bowers could be risky pick, undecided on US or CHL
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:34:41 GMT -4
Bowers could be risky pick, undecided on US or CHL /photo/1 It's not really a huge surprise that he's keeping options open - This isn't something new for Bowers & Co. he's always said he would keep his options open. That being said I think he'd have no issues if he was drafted #1 Overall by Saint John ... Of course that doesn't mean Saint John would pick him #1 which to some might be a good reason to keep your options open.
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Post by nsvees on May 22, 2015 6:41:18 GMT -4
Bowers could be risky pick, undecided on US or CHL /photo/1 It's not really a huge surprise that he's keeping options open - This isn't something new for Bowers & Co. he's always said he would keep his options open. That being said I think he'd have no issues if he was drafted #1 Overall by Saint John ... Of course that doesn't mean Saint John would pick him #1 which to some might be a good reason to keep your options open. If the Sea Dogs take Bowers, I'd be surprised if he decides not to report as SJ is still relatively close to home in an English speaking market, his advisors know SJ's GM well, the team is expecting to be good in a short period of time (this upcoming year or in 2016-2017) after rebuilding after their Presidents Cup/Memorial Cup runs, etc. unless an offer from the U.S. is that overwhelming he can't say no.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 7:26:52 GMT -4
I suspect he would be in Saint John as well but it's just not as much of a slam dunk as some people might think ... That being said I don't think they would pick him if there is any questions surrounding him reporting when there are 2 players just as good or better available. Darrell Young does know Bowers' agent very well so that certainly could come into play obviously.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 22, 2015 7:39:39 GMT -4
I suspect he would be in Saint John as well but it's just not as much of a slam dunk as some people might think ... That being said I don't think they would pick him if there is any questions surrounding him reporting when there are 2 players just as good or better available. Darrell Young does know Bowers' agent very well so that certainly could come into play obviously. Everybody wants to play for the Mooseheads.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 22, 2015 8:09:41 GMT -4
To say it at this point knowing SJ has number 1 is interesting though.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 22, 2015 8:20:44 GMT -4
To say it at this point knowing SJ has number 1 is interesting though. Good point. He knows SJ has the first overall pick so why bring up NCAA if he is all set to report to SJ.
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Post by bois on May 22, 2015 9:03:03 GMT -4
To say it at this point knowing SJ has number 1 is interesting though. Good point. He knows SJ has the first overall pick so why bring up NCAA if he is all set to report to SJ. because maybe he isn't the guy SJ is targetting and he (Bowers) doesn't wanna go to Bathurst or Victo??
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Post by mooseinfo on May 22, 2015 9:06:20 GMT -4
Good point. He knows SJ has the first overall pick so why bring up NCAA if he is all set to report to SJ. because maybe he isn't the guy SJ is targetting and he (Bowers) doesn't wanna go to Bathurst or Victo?? Ya that was my thought too. Not sure if playing hard to get with SJ would get a better education package anymore so it could be the reason.
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Post by statsman18 on May 22, 2015 14:54:49 GMT -4
I know what your saying and think but I just don't see Cam going back words at 7. It's been a while since he's had that good of a pick. I think he's going to make that pick. The 2 2nds and 3rds could very well be traded back or for picks next year. Hell they could be used to trade up. In this draft. This team is going to have some hole up front to fill. Ya its always more likely they use that pick, its just that the Moose maybe sitting at a spot where the goalie is available, just for an example, SJ may want him and offer the 9th and another pick. They could afford to move 2 spots if their list has 3 or 4 forwards at 7 they would take. So no risk relative to another pick. Its all speculation and circumstance. I just see so many multi first rounders and later picks by the same team and the protective lists need to be managed, especially with the new rules which will see more longer term projects. The depth is different as well this year, not a big fan of it this year at 7. Will see it play out soon but past years have pretty much always seen this type of deal. Here's the problem with this though, go to PEI's board and watch the Video's they have posted. By the sounds of it from their GM it sounds very much that the number 5 pick is in play. So teams can get that pick a little easier then it would take to get the Mooses 7th pick. I truly don't see Halifax moving back in the first round. If anything they might move up if they can for the right price. Like you keep saying the protective list has to be managed too. So why not trade 2 or 3 picks to jump up or get a 2nd pick in the first.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 22, 2015 17:13:41 GMT -4
Ya its always more likely they use that pick, its just that the Moose maybe sitting at a spot where the goalie is available, just for an example, SJ may want him and offer the 9th and another pick. They could afford to move 2 spots if their list has 3 or 4 forwards at 7 they would take. So no risk relative to another pick. Its all speculation and circumstance. I just see so many multi first rounders and later picks by the same team and the protective lists need to be managed, especially with the new rules which will see more longer term projects. The depth is different as well this year, not a big fan of it this year at 7. Will see it play out soon but past years have pretty much always seen this type of deal. Here's the problem with this though, go to PEI's board and watch the Video's they have posted. By the sounds of it from their GM it sounds very much that the number 5 pick is in play. So teams can get that pick a little easier then it would take to get the Mooses 7th pick. I truly don't see Halifax moving back in the first round. If anything they might move up if they can for the right price. Like you keep saying the protective list has to be managed too. So why not trade 2 or 3 picks to jump up or get a 2nd pick in the first. Ya I clearly stated that in response at the beginning, moose could trade up, kicking tires. Same as I mentioned before about CB being ahead in any Bower scenario, if they chose to. How can you say the 5th is easier to get then the 7th. Is it some unlucky number that HAS to be cheaper then a later one. No one knows how many teams want to trade up or what they all want in return. Not all GMs are giving their strategy on a msg board, again kicking tires. Moose could already have the 3rd pick or they may prefer to spend on a better player next year. I guess you missed most of that and the example being in bold. A team like PEI has different needs then the Moose, so its not even the same.
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