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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 29, 2015 11:34:42 GMT -4
BLB has the best pool of picks I've seen in a long time. I can believe it was true they were ready to make a move. They won't be able to find spots on their team for all those picks. They also have a lot of good prospects in Midget AAA. 2015:1-1SHE-2-2QC-2SHA-3-3CHA-4DRU-6-6RN-7-7DRU-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 2016:1-2-2QC-3MON-5-5DRU-5BAT-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 If they trade 1st 2015, 1st 2016, 2nd 2015, 2nd 2016, 3rd 2015 They still have: 2015:1SHE-2QC-2SHA-3CHA-4DRU-6-6RN-7-7DRU-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 2016:2QC-3MON-5-5DRU-5BAT-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 In a long time? Cape Breton entered last years draft in an even better scenario pick wise. Multiple 1sts and 2nds including a top 5 pick last year and Drummondville and Chicoutimi's 1sts this year in rebuilding seasons.
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 29, 2015 12:09:19 GMT -4
you have them offering these picks for Ehlers and also offering the picks to Baie Comeau... which is it? You can make 3 offers with the same picks. You can just only make 1 trade. Some of this info around the trade period would be nice to have so it makes me question the motives of the journalist for releasing it now other then to try and make people look bad. Would like to see more of a local flavor in terms of seeing similar info about Maritime teams. There's very little reporting like this in the Maritimes any more. Much of that info was on this board. Perhaps Cam not the chatty Sally type or shit was made up in the past. It was acknowledged there were inquiries but what advantage to Moose leaking that now, better to spend time running your team. Not going to speak in regards to other Maritime teams but perhaps the Media is not as established here.
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Post by statsman18 on Apr 29, 2015 14:39:52 GMT -4
Man now that I know that was on the table I don't know if Cam made the wrong choice or not. Yeah with out Elhers they don't get 14 playoff games but with all those picks they can do whatever they want at the draft. Draft new players, trade picks for players. If it was me I might have had to make that trade. I think I would have taken the picks and called the Jets to tell them to convince him to go play there.
On the other side of it all they got 6 extra gates instead of maybe only 2 or 3 with out Ehlers. With 3 of them only getting 12000 total fans and then another 25000 from the 2nd round. That's about $400,000 difference in ticket sales alone. That's a lot of money made.
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Post by bigtimefan on Apr 29, 2015 14:50:16 GMT -4
if that was done....BLB should fire their GM,,, definately could of got more valuable pieces for that cost...plus Ehlers prob wont be in q next year unless Jets want him to be...I see him in Europe for at least part of the year, he will not be able to do what he has done in the Q at the NHL level....he is not there physically yet to play against men
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 29, 2015 17:02:56 GMT -4
Man now that I know that was on the table I don't know if Cam made the wrong choice or not. Yeah with out Elhers they don't get 14 playoff games but with all those picks they can do whatever they want at the draft. Draft new players, trade picks for players. If it was me I might have had to make that trade. I think I would have taken the picks and called the Jets to tell them to convince him to go play there. On the other side of it all they got 6 extra gates instead of maybe only 2 or 3 with out Ehlers. With 3 of them only getting 12000 total fans and then another 25000 from the 2nd round. That's about $400,000 difference in ticket sales alone. That's a lot of money made. That trade could also cost your Import pick you are lined up to get THIS YEAR! Could even be same agent. If it was a trade to Quebec(couldnt afford anyway) maybe the Jets would be for it because of Cup experience but other trades become more about the player desires. In some cases a weaker team might be preferred by the Jets(sometimes players) due to possible first round loss and call up. BBA likely still playing with Ehlers. For sure I make that trade too but I dont matter. Most fans would probably keep him and enjoy the show now rather than a potential better show later.
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Post by paulmcswain on Apr 29, 2015 18:21:45 GMT -4
BLB has the best pool of picks I've seen in a long time. I can believe it was true they were ready to make a move. They won't be able to find spots on their team for all those picks. They also have a lot of good prospects in Midget AAA. 2015:1-1SHE-2-2QC-2SHA-3-3CHA-4DRU-6-6RN-7-7DRU-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 2016:1-2-2QC-3MON-5-5DRU-5BAT-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 If they trade 1st 2015, 1st 2016, 2nd 2015, 2nd 2016, 3rd 2015 They still have: 2015:1SHE-2QC-2SHA-3CHA-4DRU-6-6RN-7-7DRU-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 2016:2QC-3MON-5-5DRU-5BAT-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 It is somewhat believable. AS you point out, they definitely had the picks to do the trade and still have lots left. To those saying that it isn't believable because its BBA, perhaps Ehlers was the only guy they were willing to go all in on? Ehlers just about took Halifax to the semi's...a team with one non-rookie defenseman. Ehlers was a difference maker...had any of the top contenders landed him in a deal, I say they would've won the league. BBA would fall into that category. No other palyer in the league could make that much difference.
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Post by paulmcswain on Apr 29, 2015 18:25:38 GMT -4
if that was done....BLB should fire their GM,,, definately could of got more valuable pieces for that cost...plus Ehlers prob wont be in q next year unless Jets want him to be...I see him in Europe for at least part of the year, he will not be able to do what he has done in the Q at the NHL level....he is not there physically yet to play against men Well without Ehlers they went out in round one to the 14th seed. With him, given what we saw him do for Halifax, they could've won the title.
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Post by statsman18 on Apr 30, 2015 7:37:55 GMT -4
Man now that I know that was on the table I don't know if Cam made the wrong choice or not. Yeah with out Elhers they don't get 14 playoff games but with all those picks they can do whatever they want at the draft. Draft new players, trade picks for players. If it was me I might have had to make that trade. I think I would have taken the picks and called the Jets to tell them to convince him to go play there. On the other side of it all they got 6 extra gates instead of maybe only 2 or 3 with out Ehlers. With 3 of them only getting 12000 total fans and then another 25000 from the 2nd round. That's about $400,000 difference in ticket sales alone. That's a lot of money made. That trade could also cost your Import pick you are lined up to get THIS YEAR! Could even be same agent. If it was a trade to Quebec(couldnt afford anyway) maybe the Jets would be for it because of Cup experience but other trades become more about the player desires. In some cases a weaker team might be preferred by the Jets(sometimes players) due to possible first round loss and call up. BBA likely still playing with Ehlers. For sure I make that trade too but I dont matter. Most fans would probably keep him and enjoy the show now rather than a potential better show later. I think that's a big time stretch. Anyone think the Jets were planning on having Ehlers come play with them in the playoffs are crazy. He played all year with teenagers and was falling all over the ice with them. You think that he will go to the show and play with men and help them win against the one of the best teams in the league. I just don't buy that at all. If this trade was made and Jets seen the return they would fully understand. I think any agent would understand too. It's a trade that the only reason someone would say no to is to try and make a run themselves. Like I said that Moose gained about $400,000 in tickets sale alone by keeping him.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Apr 30, 2015 10:42:36 GMT -4
6 picks in the top 61 and 19th overall pick in the CHL Euro Draft- and despite missing our 5th we do have an extra 6th and an extra 7th so Cam definitely has more options pickwise than he has had for a few years. Hopefully we get a few skilled forwards and a goalie of the future and if the player(s) are there also get at least one puckmoving D for the future. I imagine our Euro will be a forward and our first round pick as well unless Cam really wants a goalie and one of the two that are being mentioned are there.
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 30, 2015 11:42:02 GMT -4
That trade could also cost your Import pick you are lined up to get THIS YEAR! Could even be same agent. If it was a trade to Quebec(couldnt afford anyway) maybe the Jets would be for it because of Cup experience but other trades become more about the player desires. In some cases a weaker team might be preferred by the Jets(sometimes players) due to possible first round loss and call up. BBA likely still playing with Ehlers. For sure I make that trade too but I dont matter. Most fans would probably keep him and enjoy the show now rather than a potential better show later. I think that's a big time stretch. Anyone think the Jets were planning on having Ehlers come play with them in the playoffs are crazy. He played all year with teenagers and was falling all over the ice with them. You think that he will go to the show and play with men and help them win against the one of the best teams in the league. I just don't buy that at all. If this trade was made and Jets seen the return they would fully understand. I think any agent would understand too. It's a trade that the only reason someone would say no to is to try and make a run themselves. Like I said that Moose gained about $400,000 in tickets sale alone by keeping him. He was called up so you are wrong! No where did I say he would play, he would be there for the reason he DID get called up. So you are saying Cam did not try to convince anyone because he wanted to make a run, while trading off other players, and for the money which he knew they would make winning the first round. Who is making the big time stretch.
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Post by statsman18 on Apr 30, 2015 14:26:18 GMT -4
The money is a big thing here. They lost almost $200,000 in the first round on just ticket sales because the games were at the forum. The on average of 3500 less seats cost them that. So to make that up they needed at lest 2 more home playoff games. People forget this is a business and Bob is here to make money too. And for anyone who thinks $400,000 isn't a lot of money you can give me it and I'll never ever post here again.
As for me being wrong, how am I wrong? Yes he was called up but never played a game. I said if anyone thinks he was going to play and help them win is a stretch. Why not call him up and have him practice with the team and see what it like. That makes sense also shows him what he needs to work on and what he could experience next year.
And as for the run part, that was vague I'll admit that. I meant a run just a few rounds, not a run for the title.
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Post by sc74 on Apr 30, 2015 14:35:22 GMT -4
Halifax' draft with the added picks would have been like:
2015 Halifax : 1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-6-6-7--8-9-10-11-12-13-14 (7th, 16th, 25th, 30th, 34th, 43th, 47th, 52th, ...) 2016 Halifax : 1-1-1-2-2-3-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 30, 2015 14:36:24 GMT -4
The money is a big thing here. They lost almost $200,000 in the first round on just ticket sales because the games were at the forum. The on average of 3500 less seats cost them that. So to make that up they needed at lest 2 more home playoff games. People forget this is a business and Bob is here to make money too. And for anyone who thinks $400,000 isn't a lot of money you can give me it and I'll never ever post here again. As for me being wrong, how am I wrong? Yes he was called up but never played a game. I said if anyone thinks he was going to play and help them win is a stretch. Why not call him up and have him practice with the team and see what it like. That makes sense also shows him what he needs to work on and what he could experience next year. And as for the run part, that was vague I'll admit that. I meant a run just a few rounds, not a run for the title. You're acting like the money is guaranteed though. If every seller could guarantee themselves $400K by not selling no players would ever get traded. It's a fluke happening that isn't something you can really plan around. 1 unlucky bounce and you're on here whining about how much was lost from an entire Forum series, not listing the $400K as if Halifax was counting on that money after not making any deal with Ehlers. They didn't trade Ehlers because of the deal made to bring him in. Any financial windfall is in spite of that, not because of it. If they could have traded him and got 3 1sts rounders but got swept and make no money they probably do that if they had the option at the time. But dont let me keep you from talking like the $400K in hindsight was the plan all along. It might be very relevant to you but for a team like Halifax after 3 straight playoff runs, it's really just a drop in the bucket. Like you or I working an 8 hour OT shift...it's nice to have, but you're not going to ruin your future for the slightly extra bump on your next pay.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 30, 2015 14:39:13 GMT -4
Halifax' draft with the added picks would have been like: 2015 Halifax : 1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-6-6-7--8-9-10-11-12-13-14 (7th, 16th, 25th, 30th, 34th, 43th, 47th, 52th, ...) 2016 Halifax : 1-1-1-2-2-3-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 And more and more teams are entering off seasons like that as teams trade 1sts into the future. In reality though if you had 2 straight drafts of actually using all those 1sts and 2nds alone you have no room for the other picks. Picks are currency as much as they are to be used to draft players. But to casual fans having 3 1sts next year is more attractive then Donaghey who is a top pairing defencemen who will fetch you a 1st and 2nd come Christmas time. That doesn't show in a draft pick list but it's just as important of an asset.
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Post by statsman18 on Apr 30, 2015 14:47:20 GMT -4
Halifax' draft with the added picks would have been like: 2015 Halifax : 1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-6-6-7--8-9-10-11-12-13-14 (7th, 16th, 25th, 30th, 34th, 43th, 47th, 52th, ...) 2016 Halifax : 1-1-1-2-2-3-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 To me that looks pretty sexy and tempting to go after.
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