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Post by topnet on Apr 26, 2015 16:22:52 GMT -4
dfresh101, you say we can't blame Rumble since Quebec is suppose to beat us. Ok, maybe I don't agree but, I give you that. I do think we can question or blame coaching strategies over a longer time period then just this series, since we have seen a pattern forming. Is it normal that any player (Garland, Barbs, ) plays shifts that go beyond 2 min.? And multiple shifts as such in the same game or period? I would tend to say No it is not normal. We are not talking the last game of the playoffs where it is all on the line. (where you play the best dogs for as much as they can give you) We have been witnessing these extend-o-shifts for the last 10-15 games of the season. If it is not normal that he runs this line way too much, then we can blame him for poor player management. If Garland and Barbarchev are out on the ice as long as THREY want, then we can blame him for having no control on his "star" players and should be called on the mat. I can't imagine being on the bench watching the games like spectators like over half this team does. It is one thing to overplay your stars and having them sucking wind all game, it is another to have guys going stale on the bench then calling upon them for a shift now and then and expecting them to bring the same level of readiness after long periods of sitting on the bench. Hodge at the end of the year will probably give a passing grade to the coaching staff. Should be interesting the HF board report card comments.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 16:40:22 GMT -4
They finished in second overall playing with the line structure and length they are still using. Does anyone really believe the players are running the bench and determining their shift length...really?
Losing always brings the told you so crowd back out of their armchairs.
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Post by lirette on Apr 26, 2015 16:44:58 GMT -4
dfresh101, you say we can't blame Rumble since Quebec is suppose to beat us. Ok, maybe I don't agree but, I give you that. I do think we can question or blame coaching strategies over a longer time period then just this series, since we have seen a pattern forming. Is it normal that any player (Garland, Barbs, ) plays shifts that go beyond 2 min.? And multiple shifts as such in the same game or period? I would tend to say No it is not normal. We are not talking the last game of the playoffs where it is all on the line. (where you play the best dogs for as much as they can give you) We have been witnessing these extend-o-shifts for the last 10-15 games of the season. If it is not normal that he runs this line way too much, then we can blame him for poor player management. If Garland and Barbarchev are out on the ice as long as THREY want, then we can blame him for having no control on his "star" players and should be called on the mat. I can't imagine being on the bench watching the games like spectators like over half this team does. It is one thing to overplay your stars and having them sucking wind all game, it is another to have guys going stale on the bench then calling upon them for a shift now and then and expecting them to bring the same level of readiness after long periods of sitting on the bench. Hodge at the end of the year will probably give a passing grade to the coaching staff. Should be interesting the HF board report card comments. I did not see Garland or Barbashev suck wind once that game. In fact a lot of the times when they are out for long shifts they are creating chances at the end of their shifts when half the people on these board seem obsessed with saying they are tired. Go back and rewatch all 4 of the Quebec goals and let me know which of those was because of Garland or Barbashev taking longer shifts, i just rewatched them all and can't seem to see what people are whining about. They were only out for one goal against and that was the goal where tassi was tripped at the blueline creating an odd man rush. The cats just played their 4th game in 7 days, everyone is suggesting the cats are tired but you are suggesting the guys coming off the bench are rusty. Which is it? Bottomline is Quebec has 3 lines that can score at anytime, the cats played with them end to end all game yesterday including some parts of the game where they sustained pressure for 2+ minutes. The only thing as a fan ive been frustrated with has been some of the mental mistakes and difficulty to clear the zone.
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Post by Rocky Saganiuk on Apr 26, 2015 19:09:18 GMT -4
You have to win or lose with what got you there. If he had of continued to roll with 4 lines, this board would be full of posts complaining about why we didn't play Garland when we needed offense.
You know, we're not quite done yet. Although much less likely than winning in Halifax, we have been a road team, and a win tomorrow night puts us back in the series. Much stranger things have happened in the Q playoffs so far.
This board has some serious bi-polar issues.
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Post by p8ntballer on Apr 26, 2015 19:43:24 GMT -4
dfresh101, you say we can't blame Rumble since Quebec is suppose to beat us. Ok, maybe I don't agree but, I give you that. I do think we can question or blame coaching strategies over a longer time period then just this series, since we have seen a pattern forming. Is it normal that any player (Garland, Barbs, ) plays shifts that go beyond 2 min.? And multiple shifts as such in the same game or period? I would tend to say No it is not normal. We are not talking the last game of the playoffs where it is all on the line. (where you play the best dogs for as much as they can give you) We have been witnessing these extend-o-shifts for the last 10-15 games of the season. If it is not normal that he runs this line way too much, then we can blame him for poor player management. If Garland and Barbarchev are out on the ice as long as THREY want, then we can blame him for having no control on his "star" players and should be called on the mat. I can't imagine being on the bench watching the games like spectators like over half this team does. It is one thing to overplay your stars and having them sucking wind all game, it is another to have guys going stale on the bench then calling upon them for a shift now and then and expecting them to bring the same level of readiness after long periods of sitting on the bench. Hodge at the end of the year will probably give a passing grade to the coaching staff. Should be interesting the HF board report card comments. I did not see Garland or Barbashev suck wind once that game. In fact a lot of the times when they are out for long shifts they are creating chances at the end of their shifts when half the people on these board seem obsessed with saying they are tired. Go back and rewatch all 4 of the Quebec goals and let me know which of those was because of Garland or Barbashev taking longer shifts, i just rewatched them all and can't seem to see what people are whining about. They were only out for one goal against and that was the goal where tassi was tripped at the blueline creating an odd man rush. The cats just played their 4th game in 7 days, everyone is suggesting the cats are tired but you are suggesting the guys coming off the bench are rusty. Which is it? Bottomline is Quebec has 3 lines that can score at anytime, the cats played with them end to end all game yesterday including some parts of the game where they sustained pressure for 2+ minutes. The only thing as a fan ive been frustrated with has been some of the mental mistakes and difficulty to clear the zone. First off every complaint of how a team is being played is not whining. Every person who has stated how they are being coached and utilized as a team has stated nothing more than facts. The fact is the wildcats had the lead and were competing more so as a 4 line hockey team. Then Rumble changed his game plan and how he utilized the bench and the game then changed for the worse. if you want to replay the game. Watch from beginning to end and watch line usage and the different combinations. Tell us which part of the game was a more competitive wildcat team.
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Post by sportsfan1965 on Apr 26, 2015 21:18:55 GMT -4
Cats got this far despite Rumble and not because of him. We have a coach that has no real faith in his lines. He's done nothing develop the players or to build a strong team. There are several underplayed guys on this team. Garland calls the shots- the rumours keep coming in. Other players expected to jump in and make miracles happen. At this point I'd be surprised if they even care. And yet, they made it this far. They may even win. Thanks to who?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 27, 2015 6:57:43 GMT -4
dfresh101, you say we can't blame Rumble since Quebec is suppose to beat us. Ok, maybe I don't agree but, I give you that. I do think we can question or blame coaching strategies over a longer time period then just this series, since we have seen a pattern forming. Is it normal that any player (Garland, Barbs, ) plays shifts that go beyond 2 min.? And multiple shifts as such in the same game or period? I would tend to say No it is not normal. We are not talking the last game of the playoffs where it is all on the line. (where you play the best dogs for as much as they can give you) We have been witnessing these extend-o-shifts for the last 10-15 games of the season. If it is not normal that he runs this line way too much, then we can blame him for poor player management. If Garland and Barbarchev are out on the ice as long as THREY want, then we can blame him for having no control on his "star" players and should be called on the mat. I can't imagine being on the bench watching the games like spectators like over half this team does. It is one thing to overplay your stars and having them sucking wind all game, it is another to have guys going stale on the bench then calling upon them for a shift now and then and expecting them to bring the same level of readiness after long periods of sitting on the bench. Hodge at the end of the year will probably give a passing grade to the coaching staff. Should be interesting the HF board report card comments. I did not see Garland or Barbashev suck wind once that game. In fact a lot of the times when they are out for long shifts they are creating chances at the end of their shifts when half the people on these board seem obsessed with saying they are tired. Go back and rewatch all 4 of the Quebec goals and let me know which of those was because of Garland or Barbashev taking longer shifts, i just rewatched them all and can't seem to see what people are whining about. They were only out for one goal against and that was the goal where tassi was tripped at the blueline creating an odd man rush. The cats just played their 4th game in 7 days, everyone is suggesting the cats are tired but you are suggesting the guys coming off the bench are rusty. Which is it? Bottomline is Quebec has 3 lines that can score at anytime, the cats played with them end to end all game yesterday including some parts of the game where they sustained pressure for 2+ minutes. The only thing as a fan ive been frustrated with has been some of the mental mistakes and difficulty to clear the zone. Garland and Barbashev may not suck wind, but by playing 2 1/2 and 3 minute shifts, you HAVE to cut corners, and what ends up suffering is the defensive side as well as your puck battles. This year Garland and barbashev seem to only be cheating for the fast break, odd man rush. barbasev used to be one of the best all around players, this year he's not backchecking and his physical play is almost completely gone. They have combined for 49 points in 14 games yet they are only a combined +3, that tells me they are on for almost as many goals against as they generate. Maybe it's the only way for the Cats to get to 2nd overall and beat Chi and Halifax, but against Quebec, that formula won't work.
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Post by npsh on Apr 27, 2015 10:35:45 GMT -4
Interesting to see/hear if such is possible what the pro scouts are analyzing as of late in reference to Garland and Barbashev and how they are positioning themselves in this series. Ramparts move the puck quite well out of their own end on rushes and Garland doesn't contribute much in way of assistance on the way back, Barbashev is a little better with some body contact on occasion. I am no scout just an armchair analyst but is Garlands style conductive to pro ranks requirements if that is his goal.
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Post by sc74 on Apr 27, 2015 12:04:31 GMT -4
Interesting to see/hear if such is possible what the pro scouts are analyzing as of late in reference to Garland and Barbashev and how they are positioning themselves in this series. Ramparts move the puck quite well out of their own end on rushes and Garland doesn't contribute much in way of assistance on the way back, Barbashev is a little better with some body contact on occasion. I am no scout just an armchair analyst but is Garlands style conductive to pro ranks requirements if that is his goal. Defense is something that can be taught. His stats only will get him an audition in the NHL. However, when he gets there, he'll have to make sure he can show more than his offense.
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Post by mullycat on Apr 27, 2015 14:17:38 GMT -4
dfresh101, you say we can't blame Rumble since Quebec is suppose to beat us. Ok, maybe I don't agree but, I give you that. I do think we can question or blame coaching strategies over a longer time period then just this series, since we have seen a pattern forming. Is it normal that any player (Garland, Barbs, ) plays shifts that go beyond 2 min.? And multiple shifts as such in the same game or period? I would tend to say No it is not normal. We are not talking the last game of the playoffs where it is all on the line. (where you play the best dogs for as much as they can give you) We have been witnessing these extend-o-shifts for the last 10-15 games of the season. If it is not normal that he runs this line way too much, then we can blame him for poor player management. If Garland and Barbarchev are out on the ice as long as THREY want, then we can blame him for having no control on his "star" players and should be called on the mat. I can't imagine being on the bench watching the games like spectators like over half this team does. It is one thing to overplay your stars and having them sucking wind all game, it is another to have guys going stale on the bench then calling upon them for a shift now and then and expecting them to bring the same level of readiness after long periods of sitting on the bench. Hodge at the end of the year will probably give a passing grade to the coaching staff. Should be interesting the HF board report card comments. I did not see Garland or Barbashev suck wind once that game. In fact a lot of the times when they are out for long shifts they are creating chances at the end of their shifts when half the people on these board seem obsessed with saying they are tired. Go back and rewatch all 4 of the Quebec goals and let me know which of those was because of Garland or Barbashev taking longer shifts, i just rewatched them all and can't seem to see what people are whining about. They were only out for one goal against and that was the goal where tassi was tripped at the blueline creating an odd man rush. The cats just played their 4th game in 7 days, everyone is suggesting the cats are tired but you are suggesting the guys coming off the bench are rusty. Which is it? Bottomline is Quebec has 3 lines that can score at anytime, the cats played with them end to end all game yesterday including some parts of the game where they sustained pressure for 2+ minutes. The only thing as a fan ive been frustrated with has been some of the mental mistakes and difficulty to clear the zone.
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Post by Penguins23® on Apr 27, 2015 14:23:19 GMT -4
There were missed calls on both sides, Remparts only had oNE PP in a game that was very chippy. The PP given on the Tkachev play was a terrible call, that's not a PP in a regular season game let alone with under 10 minutes left in a 3-3 playoff game. I didn't like that call either. Maybe you couldn't tell from your end of the ice but it seemed like a pretty obvious headshot to me. You can't let that go regardless of the score or situation. You're putting teenagers at risk if you start allowing that.
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Post by mullycat on Apr 27, 2015 14:51:17 GMT -4
Lirette, you never noticed garland or barbs sucking wind on any shifts and they actually created scoring chances at the end of those long shifts? If that's the way you seen it, would you not agree that that is a major problem right there. They are playing a team where everyone seems to acknowledge that quebec is a very strong opponent. It's the third round of playoff hockey if your not sucking wind after 1 min shifts let alone 2 min + you shouldn't be out there regardless. As for your question which is it are they tired or rusty? My take on it is that the top core of this team are tired and the remainder are rusty, wondering who with and when will they be going over the boards. Players are rusty playing very minimal icetime and cold when they do. Now you can add nerves to the mix as well.
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Post by dropthedraft on Apr 27, 2015 15:17:28 GMT -4
Is tonight's game (3) on Rogers television?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 27, 2015 15:39:34 GMT -4
I didn't like that call either. Maybe you couldn't tell from your end of the ice but it seemed like a pretty obvious headshot to me. You can't let that go regardless of the score or situation. You're putting teenagers at risk if you start allowing that. How could it be a headshot, Tkachev is about 5'8"? It looked like a puck battle.
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Post by lirette on Apr 27, 2015 15:49:03 GMT -4
Lirette, you never noticed garland or barbs sucking wind on any shifts and they actually created scoring chances at the end of those long shifts? If that's the way you seen it, would you not agree that that is a major problem right there. They are playing a team where everyone seems to acknowledge that quebec is a very strong opponent. It's the third round of playoff hockey if your not sucking wind after 1 min shifts let alone 2 min + you shouldn't be out there regardless. As for your question which is it are they tired or rusty? My take on it is that the top core of this team are tired and the remainder are rusty, wondering who with and when will they be going over the boards. Players are rusty playing very minimal icetime and cold when they do. Now you can add nerves to the mix as well. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Yeah its a major issue they are creating scoring chances. In hockey the team with the most goals wins. Quebec scored more goals and I didn't see a single goal that was due to long shifts by Garland or Barbashev. People keep bringing up plus minus which is the most overused overrated stat in sports. The 4th line is playing the same amount as any other 4th line in this playoffs. Its being overblown. If trip on Tassi gets called and the cats score on that PP and win the game no one is even talking about this
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