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Post by Jacques Strap on Oct 30, 2018 12:23:11 GMT -4
That has nothing to do with anything. Everyone knows tickets will be sold. The big and ultimately only really important issue at the end of all of this is who is paying for it, how they plan on selling it to tax payers, and what the plan is for having it all paid back. You're dealing with a city council that is ultimately relying on the province to foot a majority of the bill. It's easy for them to approve studies and get the owners out getting ticket deposits but ultimately it's how the provincial government sells it that will determine how it goes and a new PC leader who likely can't wait to oppose any Liberal spending as the end of health care and education in the province since they know those are the areas that pique the interest of the casual voter who could care less whether Halifax has a new stadium or not. Your right in the council wants to see what the province is giving them, but they know and the organization knows the McNeil has said they’re not get a cent from the province. He’s been on record saying that. Now we can go down the road don’t believe everything a politician says. But I think in this case it’s true. I also don’t think from what I have heard they are looking for money but instead easing on tax’s and better lands deals. Things like that. Stephen MacNeil was on Rick Howe this morning and he actually sounded relatively open minded about hearing what the proposal would be. He didn't come right out and say no.
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Post by statsman18 on Oct 30, 2018 13:14:22 GMT -4
Your right in the council wants to see what the province is giving them, but they know and the organization knows the McNeil has said they’re not get a cent from the province. He’s been on record saying that. Now we can go down the road don’t believe everything a politician says. But I think in this case it’s true. I also don’t think from what I have heard they are looking for money but instead easing on tax’s and better lands deals. Things like that. Stephen MacNeil was on Rick Howe this morning and he actually sounded relatively open minded about hearing what the proposal would be. He didn't come right out and say no. I missed that interview in the past he has said no money. Which is what I said. I didn’t say he doesn’t like the idea of the stadium and the CFL. He doesn’t like the idea of paying for it. Now he might not of said that today either but he has in the past.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Oct 30, 2018 13:22:05 GMT -4
Stephen MacNeil was on Rick Howe this morning and he actually sounded relatively open minded about hearing what the proposal would be. He didn't come right out and say no. I missed that interview in the past he has said no money. Which is what I said. I didn’t say he doesn’t like the idea of the stadium and the CFL. He doesn’t like the idea of paying for it. Now he might not of said that today either but he has in the past. It was his tone that I thought sounded different. Can't remember exactly what he said but he did sound more optimistic then the last sound bite he offered regarding the Stadium.
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Post by guru on Oct 30, 2018 15:00:53 GMT -4
They are voting now - to create a business case analysis on the proposal or not.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Oct 30, 2018 16:07:00 GMT -4
Votes are 15-0 Yes by Council to continue with the stadium process..whatever way u want to put it. I missed the opening by the representative of Maritime Football but from what I gathered from the questions..this is all based around a TIFF and the representative, Dube I believe his name is stated that the Stadium is privately owned.
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Post by guru on Oct 30, 2018 16:43:11 GMT -4
Dube I believe his name is stated that the Stadium is privately owned. No big deal, he is just the city CAO.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Oct 30, 2018 19:35:03 GMT -4
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Post by guru on Oct 30, 2018 20:00:13 GMT -4
Watch the meeting, didn’t look promising to me.
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Post by Reesor on Oct 31, 2018 7:13:18 GMT -4
At the very least, the city has expressed interest with the right conditions in place. Next hurdle is for the CFL to award a conditional franchise pending the stadium, which should be done in November. Other than the season ticket drive, we're waiting 6 months for the ownership group and the city to come up with a detailed proposal for the stadium and infrastructure.
A step in the right direction for sure.
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Post by statsman18 on Oct 31, 2018 8:14:04 GMT -4
A step in the right direction for sure. Depending on what side of the fence your on that is. Some people are so ready to pull the plug before anything is really known. Myself let’s here it out is the way I see it.
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Post by Reesor on Oct 31, 2018 9:45:56 GMT -4
A step in the right direction for sure. Depending on what side of the fence your on that is. Some people are so ready to pull the plug before anything is really known. Myself let’s here it out is the way I see it. I forget the article I read it in but one person involved with the Winnipeg stadium project said stadium projects are usually very polarizing. You'll either be dead set against it, or willing to go through the process to see if it is viable. The fact that this portion of the process passed 15-0 tells me that everyone is pretty willing to go through the process to see if it is viable. That or there are politics involved and people that are against the stadium from the start don't want to upset the apple cart. Richard Zurawski said that stadiums don't provide any new spending. They only shift spending habits. I'd have to disagree with that. There are plenty of sports fans in Halifax and around the Maritimes that don't follow junior sports, that would spend their money on a professional product. This is the best football product in Canada. I think it will generate new spending.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 31, 2018 10:01:14 GMT -4
Depending on what side of the fence your on that is. Some people are so ready to pull the plug before anything is really known. Myself let’s here it out is the way I see it. I forget the article I read it in but one person involved with the Winnipeg stadium project said stadium projects are usually very polarizing. You'll either be dead set against it, or willing to go through the process to see if it is viable. The fact that this portion of the process passed 15-0 tells me that everyone is pretty willing to go through the process to see if it is viable. That or there are politics involved and people that are against the stadium from the start don't want to upset the apple cart. Richard Zurawski said that stadiums don't provide any new spending. They only shift spending habits. I'd have to disagree with that. There are plenty of sports fans in Halifax and around the Maritimes that don't follow junior sports, that would spend their money on a professional product. This is the best football product in Canada. I think it will generate new spending. I think what you will see happen is the governments involvement will be on land purchases and tax breaks. That way they don't need to sell any new spending and can come off as being involved and giving some concessions but not responsible for running the debt of the stadium. Once the private money involved gets their land for pennies and tax dollars as payments on the debt of the stadium then they'll happily build it and manage it and try to find ways to bring in other acts to the stadium. The real issue at the end of the Winnipeg stadium was $100 mil in debt from construction costs to U of Manitoba that was written off. Avoiding putting that burden on the tax payers will be a key, but ultimately it will really all rely on the governments concessions on the land and taxes and how far they'll reach and for how long. Because tax payers feel better about not taking in $100 million in tax dollars then they do about bringing in $100 million but spending $200 million.
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Post by devinm on Oct 31, 2018 10:32:48 GMT -4
hmm wonder if a lot of land around that area is going up for sale suddenly haha. The Developers in the area I am sure are making a lot of phone calls.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Oct 31, 2018 10:49:35 GMT -4
It frustrates me that the NO people don't want the stadium no matter what. If they sent every taxpayer a check for $1000 and the Maritime Football Group paid for the full cost of the stadium, infrastructure and yearly upkeep, they would still say no. Not sure what this is all about.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 31, 2018 10:54:40 GMT -4
It frustrates me that the NO people don't want the stadium no matter what. If they sent every taxpayer a check for $1000 and the Maritime Football Group paid for the full cost of the stadium, infrastructure and yearly upkeep, they would still say no. Not sure what this is all about. For some they just like fighting change. For others it's a political thing and unless their blue or orange team is behind it they refuse to accept the red team can do it properly. And of course many of those fighting it are not sports fans and have nothing to lose if nothing changes and nothing gets built. But they'd have to hear Steve Murphy tell them what their provincial debt looks like at 6pm. While complaining about all the people around the stadium on a game day spending money and eating food and staying in hotels and paying tax on all that local spending that wouldn't normally exist. I'm not at all a CFL fan and even i'd commit to seeing a few games per year in Halifax. And as a Nova Scotian I think a Halifax with a stadium and CFL team is better for the province and region as a whole despite what many of my local Cape Bretoners would have to say about it.
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