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Post by Jacques Strap on Oct 30, 2018 9:23:20 GMT -4
Skyscraper has very little local sports discussion, but quite a few people on there have insider info and insight on infrastructure projects in different cities in Canada and around the world. I don't know what happens today if city council says no. My guess is it will be a yes with conditions, and it will be up to the ownership group to counter if they want. From what I understand it should be a yes to go to the next step. Which what I understood to just basically be getting more information. It’s not like they say yes then shovels are in the ground tomorrow. There’s basically 3 or 4 steps, this is step one and unless what is brought forth is so bad usually gets passed to the next step. Step 3 is where it either lives or dies really. I believe the next step is find out the land cost and who gets what. The team or group doesn’t even own any land little lone Shannon park area they are now talking about. Maybe contingent on getting a certain number of Season's Tickets.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 30, 2018 10:02:50 GMT -4
From what I understand it should be a yes to go to the next step. Which what I understood to just basically be getting more information. It’s not like they say yes then shovels are in the ground tomorrow. There’s basically 3 or 4 steps, this is step one and unless what is brought forth is so bad usually gets passed to the next step. Step 3 is where it either lives or dies really. I believe the next step is find out the land cost and who gets what. The team or group doesn’t even own any land little lone Shannon park area they are now talking about. Maybe contingent on getting a certain number of Season's Tickets. That has nothing to do with anything. Everyone knows tickets will be sold. The big and ultimately only really important issue at the end of all of this is who is paying for it, how they plan on selling it to tax payers, and what the plan is for having it all paid back. You're dealing with a city council that is ultimately relying on the province to foot a majority of the bill. It's easy for them to approve studies and get the owners out getting ticket deposits but ultimately it's how the provincial government sells it that will determine how it goes and a new PC leader who likely can't wait to oppose any Liberal spending as the end of health care and education in the province since they know those are the areas that pique the interest of the casual voter who could care less whether Halifax has a new stadium or not.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Oct 30, 2018 10:50:40 GMT -4
Maybe contingent on getting a certain number of Season's Tickets. That has nothing to do with anything. Everyone knows tickets will be sold. The big and ultimately only really important issue at the end of all of this is who is paying for it, how they plan on selling it to tax payers, and what the plan is for having it all paid back. You're dealing with a city council that is ultimately relying on the province to foot a majority of the bill. It's easy for them to approve studies and get the owners out getting ticket deposits but ultimately it's how the provincial government sells it that will determine how it goes and a new PC leader who likely can't wait to oppose any Liberal spending as the end of health care and education in the province since they know those are the areas that pique the interest of the casual voter who could care less whether Halifax has a new stadium or not. Wow Jack. You should have your own 1-800-ASK-JACK. You are an expert on every field or conversation that comes up on this forum. Thanks for the info.
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Post by Reesor on Oct 30, 2018 10:53:44 GMT -4
Skyscraper has very little local sports discussion, but quite a few people on there have insider info and insight on infrastructure projects in different cities in Canada and around the world. I don't know what happens today if city council says no. My guess is it will be a yes with conditions, and it will be up to the ownership group to counter if they want. From what I understand it should be a yes to go to the next step. Which what I understood to just basically be getting more information. It’s not like they say yes then shovels are in the ground tomorrow. There’s basically 3 or 4 steps, this is step one and unless what is brought forth is so bad usually gets passed to the next step. Step 3 is where it either lives or dies really. I believe the next step is find out the land cost and who gets what. The team or group doesn’t even own any land little lone Shannon park area they are now talking about. Yah even aside from the land there is still plenty to hash out. There's plenty of speculation out there on road infrastructure and transit, along with parking. It sounds like a parking garage is part of the proposal. But to get 24,000 people to that site without a ridiculous traffic jam, there would have to be some significant changes to the approach to the bridge and coming off the bridge. I can't wait to see more details on this whole proposal. Perhaps these details aren't even part of this step.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 30, 2018 10:56:00 GMT -4
From what I understand it should be a yes to go to the next step. Which what I understood to just basically be getting more information. It’s not like they say yes then shovels are in the ground tomorrow. There’s basically 3 or 4 steps, this is step one and unless what is brought forth is so bad usually gets passed to the next step. Step 3 is where it either lives or dies really. I believe the next step is find out the land cost and who gets what. The team or group doesn’t even own any land little lone Shannon park area they are now talking about. Yah even aside from the land there is still plenty to hash out. There's plenty of speculation out there on road infrastructure and transit, along with parking. It sounds like a parking garage is part of the proposal. But to get 24,000 people to that site without a ridiculous traffic jam, there would have to be some significant changes to the approach to the bridge and coming off the bridge. I can't wait to see more details on this whole proposal. Perhaps these details aren't even part of this step. Yup the logistics surrounding every piece of this will need to be ironed out. Selling tickets is the easiest part of the entire process. Everyone knows the appetite is there for it but it's everything else that takes the real time and effort.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 30, 2018 10:57:44 GMT -4
That has nothing to do with anything. Everyone knows tickets will be sold. The big and ultimately only really important issue at the end of all of this is who is paying for it, how they plan on selling it to tax payers, and what the plan is for having it all paid back. You're dealing with a city council that is ultimately relying on the province to foot a majority of the bill. It's easy for them to approve studies and get the owners out getting ticket deposits but ultimately it's how the provincial government sells it that will determine how it goes and a new PC leader who likely can't wait to oppose any Liberal spending as the end of health care and education in the province since they know those are the areas that pique the interest of the casual voter who could care less whether Halifax has a new stadium or not. Wow Jack. You should have your own 1-800-ASK-JACK. You are an expert on every field or conversation that comes up on this forum. Thanks for the info. Well it's pretty obvious that actually selling the tickets is the easiest part of this entire process.
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Post by Reesor on Oct 30, 2018 11:14:19 GMT -4
MFL put out an opinion piece in the Chronicle Herald yesterday basically outlining who they are and their mission statement. www.thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/opinion-lets-talk-football-and-stadium-as-cfl-expansion-takes-shape-254255/It's kinda funny that the CH put a picture of the MacKay bridge with a traffic jam on it in this piece. It's probably what we'd expect a hour before game day. Semi-Related: It's about time both bridges implemented the automatic payment system that takes a picture of your license plate and bills you for your bridge crossings. Anyone with a MacPass would still use the macpass. This would help traffic significantly... having all lanes just breeze-throughs without stopping.
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Post by Reesor on Oct 30, 2018 11:26:11 GMT -4
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Post by Jacques Strap on Oct 30, 2018 11:29:08 GMT -4
MFL put out an opinion piece in the Chronicle Herald yesterday basically outlining who they are and their mission statement. www.thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/opinion-lets-talk-football-and-stadium-as-cfl-expansion-takes-shape-254255/It's kinda funny that the CH put a picture of the MacKay bridge with a traffic jam on it in this piece. It's probably what we'd expect a hour before game day. Semi-Related: It's about time both bridges implemented the automatic payment system that takes a picture of your license plate and bills you for your bridge crossings. Anyone with a MacPass would still use the macpass. This would help traffic significantly... having all lanes just breeze-throughs without stopping. Got excited when I read this quote "Maritime Football Limited Partnership will be contributing significant private capital to help fund the construction and operation of the stadium".
But then not so much by the next quote. "But let’s be clear: to make this vision a reality, a certain degree of public investment will be necessary. We’re learning about the challenges and opportunities for both Halifax Regional Municipality and the provincial government — and how this vision could align with their priorities and fit within planning frameworks"
I am hoping by "public investment" the are talking taxes made after the fact and not taxpayers money ahead of time. I think any request for taxpayers money will put the kibosh on this.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 30, 2018 11:29:24 GMT -4
Yep that could make for a pretty good setup for all over the next 5-10 years as they build everything up there. Membertou is a good model to use. They basically have all of Sydney minor hockey run out of their new rink up there now and are still building up around it with a bowling alley opening in a couple of weeks along with the hotel, convention center, and the gambling options.
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Post by guru on Oct 30, 2018 11:31:19 GMT -4
That has nothing to do with anything. Everyone knows tickets will be sold. The big and ultimately only really important issue at the end of all of this is who is paying for it, how they plan on selling it to tax payers, and what the plan is for having it all paid back. You're dealing with a city council that is ultimately relying on the province to foot a majority of the bill. It's easy for them to approve studies and get the owners out getting ticket deposits but ultimately it's how the provincial government sells it that will determine how it goes and a new PC leader who likely can't wait to oppose any Liberal spending as the end of health care and education in the province since they know those are the areas that pique the interest of the casual voter who could care less whether Halifax has a new stadium or not. Wow Jack. You should have your own 1-800-ASK-JACK. You are an expert on every field or conversation that comes up on this forum. Thanks for the info. He is a smart dude, but this is politics 101.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 30, 2018 11:31:35 GMT -4
MFL put out an opinion piece in the Chronicle Herald yesterday basically outlining who they are and their mission statement. www.thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/opinion-lets-talk-football-and-stadium-as-cfl-expansion-takes-shape-254255/It's kinda funny that the CH put a picture of the MacKay bridge with a traffic jam on it in this piece. It's probably what we'd expect a hour before game day. Semi-Related: It's about time both bridges implemented the automatic payment system that takes a picture of your license plate and bills you for your bridge crossings. Anyone with a MacPass would still use the macpass. This would help traffic significantly... having all lanes just breeze-throughs without stopping. Got excited when I read this quote "Maritime Football Limited Partnership will be contributing significant private capital to help fund the construction and operation of the stadium".
But then not so much by the next quote. "But let’s be clear: to make this vision a reality, a certain degree of public investment will be necessary. We’re learning about the challenges and opportunities for both Halifax Regional Municipality and the provincial government — and how this vision could align with their priorities and fit within planning frameworks"
I am hoping by "public investment" the are talking taxes made after the fact and not taxpayers money ahead of time. I think any request for taxpayers money will put the kibosh on this. If there's no taxpayer money up front there's nothing to even talk about. Tax payers will reap the benefits for generations to come from the taxes paid on everything happening there from land taxes to literally taxes on every single ticket sold in the stadium. Governments need to see investments that return money tomorrow and beyond for an up front cost today. Sure it needs to be done properly and responsibly but it needs government money to even be having the talk of the stadium because private money isn't footing that bill.
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Post by statsman18 on Oct 30, 2018 11:33:00 GMT -4
Maybe contingent on getting a certain number of Season's Tickets. That has nothing to do with anything. Everyone knows tickets will be sold. The big and ultimately only really important issue at the end of all of this is who is paying for it, how they plan on selling it to tax payers, and what the plan is for having it all paid back. You're dealing with a city council that is ultimately relying on the province to foot a majority of the bill. It's easy for them to approve studies and get the owners out getting ticket deposits but ultimately it's how the provincial government sells it that will determine how it goes and a new PC leader who likely can't wait to oppose any Liberal spending as the end of health care and education in the province since they know those are the areas that pique the interest of the casual voter who could care less whether Halifax has a new stadium or not. Your right in the council wants to see what the province is giving them, but they know and the organization knows the McNeil has said they’re not get a cent from the province. He’s been on record saying that. Now we can go down the road don’t believe everything a politician says. But I think in this case it’s true. I also don’t think from what I have heard they are looking for money but instead easing on tax’s and better lands deals. Things like that.
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Post by guru on Oct 30, 2018 11:46:29 GMT -4
I'd rather a new Metro Centre. Anyway, taxpayers will get fucked if this eventually gets pushed through. There are limited uses and hosting opportunities for this. But you better believe I will go to the games!
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Post by guru on Oct 30, 2018 11:47:54 GMT -4
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