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Post by caper93 on Sept 10, 2018 8:36:25 GMT -4
Tatar was a healthy scratch more often than not for Vegas. He needs to bounce back in a big way for this to be a good deal for Montreal if you ask me. Suzuki is the main piece. Surprised Vegas dealt him. Ottawa wanted him last spring in the karlsson deal. Vegas said he was off limits.
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Post by Score on Sept 10, 2018 8:55:48 GMT -4
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Post by Murph on Sept 10, 2018 9:56:36 GMT -4
Tatar was a healthy scratch more often than not for Vegas. He needs to bounce back in a big way for this to be a good deal for Montreal if you ask me. Suzuki is the main piece. Surprised Vegas dealt him. Ottawa wanted him last spring in the karlsson deal. Vegas said he was off limits. I’m aware of that but Tatar with 3 years left on his deal is a negative asset for Montreal in the deal. Suzuki is still a prospect who hasn’t played above junior. And I’ve seen zero reports that said Vegas wouldn’t trade him for Karlsson. Feel free to back up that statement
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 10, 2018 10:03:46 GMT -4
Tatar was a healthy scratch more often than not for Vegas. He needs to bounce back in a big way for this to be a good deal for Montreal if you ask me. Suzuki is the main piece. Surprised Vegas dealt him. Ottawa wanted him last spring in the karlsson deal. Vegas said he was off limits. I believe you're confusing him with Cody Glass.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 10, 2018 10:10:40 GMT -4
Rental price without going through the motions for 6 more months. Montreal had to cut their losses at some point as an injury or production issue would have meant moving him for less.
Suzuki is at least something for the future. Might not pan out to be a top 6 solution but likely can be a bottom 6 guy in a couple years with some AHL time. He's definitely better value then the 1st you get from a contender in March. And at worst even to the pick you get from a team going for one of the last playoff spots.
Tatar is someone you hope bounces back and might even fetch a pick himself if he gets it back on track.
Underwhelming return but thats usually what you end up with for rentals.
There's going to be some awful hockey in that division this year with 3 top teams and 3 rebuilding ones.
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Post by bois on Sept 10, 2018 10:30:40 GMT -4
yeah not really blown away with the return but it's not terribad
but what an awful season it's going to be to watch this year
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Post by scotiahockey on Sept 10, 2018 10:31:55 GMT -4
Rental price without going through the motions for 6 more months. Montreal had to cut their losses at some point as an injury or production issue would have meant moving him for less. Suzuki is at least something for the future. Might not pan out to be a top 6 solution but likely can be a bottom 6 guy in a couple years with some AHL time. He's definitely better value then the 1st you get from a contender in March. And at worst even to the pick you get from a team going for one of the last playoff spots. Tatar is someone you hope bounces back and might even fetch a pick himself if he gets it back on track. Underwhelming return but thats usually what you end up with for rentals. There's going to be some awful hockey in that division this year with 3 top teams and 3 rebuilding ones. I don’t see this as an underwhelming return for a pending UFA at all. In fact I think it’s a horrible trade if you’re the Golden Knights and a great one for Montreal. Tatar is going to be a frustrating player but at the end of the year he’s going to get you 20 goals and 40-50 points. At some point he’s going to be flipped and add even more assets for the rebuild. The 2nd round pick, is what it is. The real gem of the trade though is Nick Suzuki. He might be able to play down the middle, he’s an electric offensive talent and a high end prospect. He’s got a future as a top 6 player in the NHL... to get him as a return for a pending UFA is shocking really.
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Post by bois on Sept 10, 2018 10:53:26 GMT -4
I don't think he's going to be a pending UFA for very long
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 10, 2018 11:06:58 GMT -4
Rental price without going through the motions for 6 more months. Montreal had to cut their losses at some point as an injury or production issue would have meant moving him for less. Suzuki is at least something for the future. Might not pan out to be a top 6 solution but likely can be a bottom 6 guy in a couple years with some AHL time. He's definitely better value then the 1st you get from a contender in March. And at worst even to the pick you get from a team going for one of the last playoff spots. Tatar is someone you hope bounces back and might even fetch a pick himself if he gets it back on track. Underwhelming return but thats usually what you end up with for rentals. There's going to be some awful hockey in that division this year with 3 top teams and 3 rebuilding ones. I don’t see this as an underwhelming return for a pending UFA at all. In fact I think it’s a horrible trade if you’re the Golden Knights and a great one for Montreal. Tatar is going to be a frustrating player but at the end of the year he’s going to get you 20 goals and 40-50 points. At some point he’s going to be flipped and add even more assets for the rebuild. The 2nd round pick, is what it is. The real gem of the trade though is Nick Suzuki. He might be able to play down the middle, he’s an electric offensive talent and a high end prospect. He’s got a future as a top 6 player in the NHL... to get him as a return for a pending UFA is shocking really. Some scouts see Suzuki not having the skating to be a regular in a top 6. Some think it won't matter. Where you see him being in 3-5 years is going to determine what you think of the deal more then likely. If he ends up being a 3rd line winger who chips in 30-35 points and PK's it might not look all that great as compared to if he's a 50-60 point top 6 2 way force. He's another young asset to develop with upside nobody can really nail down. That's the underwhelming part for me. But I agree the absolute best case upside means it's a solid deal for Montreal. Their development of their own kids picked in that range lately hasn't been the best though so we'll see what strides Suzuki makes now that he's turning pro and should have a chip on his shoulder since Vegas essentially just told him they weren't as high on him as others in their system.
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Post by Citris on Sept 10, 2018 11:08:34 GMT -4
Considering what Hoffman got, I wasn't expecting much.
Nick Suzuki is a very good return alone to be honest, Tatar as a reclamation project and a second is just icing on the cake.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 10, 2018 11:32:18 GMT -4
I don't think he's going to be a pending UFA for very long Bergevin confirmed the deal was contingent on Vegas signing him to an extension so those numbers should leak out soon.
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Post by jordo999 on Sept 10, 2018 11:41:34 GMT -4
I think the trade works out for both sides but when you actually break it down Vegas essentially traded a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd, and Suzuki for Pacioretty....this is adding in the original trade of Tatar to Vegas from Detroit.
Either way, I think Montreal did good, Pacioretty wasn't resigning IMO, Bergevin even came out and said he asked to be traded multiple times, whether that's really true or not who knows, but still.
I fully believe Suzuki has the potential to be a consistent 45-55 point guy in the NHL as a 2nd line center. If he does become that then that's great for them. Poehling, Kotkaniemi, and now Suzuki are 3 good center prospects who if they all pan out could be a pretty solid 1/2/3 down the middle.
Tatar will need to bounce back, he really made Vegas look bad with how much they paid for him, but a bounce back year and another 20 goals could do him some good. He will also probably have the chance to play on the 1st/2nd line left wing.
Overall, I think Vegas makes up for losing Neal/Perron and bringing in Pacioretty/Statsny. They could very well be a top team in the west this year if they all play similar to this past season.
After this trade though I can see Montreal being in the bottom 5 teams in the league for sure.
I feel bad for Price....
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 10, 2018 15:02:24 GMT -4
I don't think the Habs want the Pacioretty thing as the theme of the season... I would guess the Kane and Wheeler extensions are a pretty good framework... Kane got 7 years at 49M at 27 Wheeler got 5 years at 41.25M(8.25 AAV) at 33 Pacioretty's new deal would start at 30 So looking at 6 years at 7.5-7.75M . 4 years and $28 million is the contract.
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Post by Score on Sept 10, 2018 15:04:25 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 10, 2018 15:05:15 GMT -4
Tatar was a healthy scratch more often than not for Vegas. He needs to bounce back in a big way for this to be a good deal for Montreal if you ask me. He was at playoff time when they had everybody. They were deep on the wings before Perron and Neal left, it was strange that they gave up a 1st 2nd and 3rd for him, and they had no spot for him on their top 6. He's averaged more than 20 goals a year the last 4 years, easily top 2 line production.
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